Programs with Vista

[Guest]

I cannot find a concise list of what programs are in the Vista Basic and the
Vista Home Premium. I know that in a Vista Home Premium I saw in action that
it had "WORD" and "Excel" in it, but WHERE is a SPECIFIC LIST of what those
two operating programs have in them?? All I find in Microsoft's website are
generalities. Thanks for any help.

 

[Richard Urban]

Vista is an operating system, upon which YOU install programs that you
purchase. Word, Excel etc. do NOT come with Vista.

When you buy a PC in a store, the manufacturer may have preinstalled these
on the computer (sometimes only a 90 day trial, sometimes less). Look at the
computer sales literature to see what it comes with.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Art]

FWIW, Office Home and Student 2007 is a great deal if you're just using it
for your home and don't need Outlook, Access, etc... Note: It is for
non-commercial use only.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116093

Art

 

[Puppy Breath]

Most of the programs that come pre-installed with Vista are in are in the
All Programs menu or one of its subfolders, so you can just look there. Or
open Control Panel and click Uninstall a Program to see a list of other
programs that are currently installed.

I don't know of a SPECIFIC LIST that shows them elsewhere.

 

[Art]

Sorry, wrong link. That was for Excel. The whole package is :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116135

About $130 USD.

Art

 

[Clenna Lumina]

I cannot find a concise list of what programs are in the Vista Basic
and the Vista Home Premium. I know that in a Vista Home Premium I saw
in action that it had "WORD" and "Excel" in it, but WHERE is a
SPECIFIC LIST of what those two operating programs have in them??
All I find in Microsoft's website are generalities. Thanks for any
help.

If there is a list it would be quite small right now...

 

[Steve K.]

Vista is an operating system, upon which YOU install programs that you
purchase. Word, Excel etc. do NOT come with Vista.

Really? I have plenty of software that I have purchased that WILL not
run or even install in some cases.

So clearly it's not "you install programs that you purchase", but rather
it is "you buy the software you already have purchased all over
again"...

Given as therer is no logical reason to break compatibilty if software
that ran fine on XP (the last main version of Windows), it seems this
was only doen to help al lthe big 3rd parties make more money. It's a
sham no matter how you slice it.

When you buy a PC in a store, the manufacturer may have preinstalled
these on the computer (sometimes only a 90 day trial, sometimes
less). Look at the computer sales literature to see what it comes
with.

I'm not surprised there isn't a list of supported applications published
yet, as it would probably be embarrassingly short.

 

[Richard Urban]

There is every reason to break compatibility, if a older program is not
coded correctly.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[LaRoux]

And each is licensed for up to 3 PC's. $45/PC is a price even a lot of
casual pirates can swallow. I don't know why MS isn't making a bigger deal
out of this.

 

[Steve K.]

There is every reason to break compatibility, if a older program is
not coded correctly.

That is a generalization that likely doesn't apply to all programs out
there. Many worked fine. There was no reaso not "fix" what wasn't really
broken. Fact of the matter is many programs that run flawlessly on XP
just wont run on Vista.

And tell me why is it the vast majority of programs that wont run (or
run correctly) are the high profile applications (eg, Photoshop, Quick
Books, etc), but I've bene hard pressed to find less expensive or free
ware applications (even the more complex ones) that run just fine under
Vista, many of which still say they are meant for pre-Vista OSes.

It seems quite clear the real motivation of these software
"imcompatibilies" is greed... getting everyone to buy new softwares,
even if you already own it... for many people this sometimes amounts to
thousands of dollars in new software purchases, when the previous ones
worked just fine...

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User]

Some programs look for specific identifiers which ensures that they do not
run on what is to become the next version of Windows.. this forces the
customer to buy 'new'..

Really? I have plenty of software that I have purchased that WILL not run
or even install in some cases.

So clearly it's not "you install programs that you purchase", but rather
it is "you buy the software you already have purchased all over again"...

Given as therer is no logical reason to break compatibilty if software
that ran fine on XP (the last main version of Windows), it seems this was
only doen to help al lthe big 3rd parties make more money. It's a sham no
matter how you slice it.


I'm not surprised there isn't a list of supported applications published
yet, as it would probably be embarrassingly short.

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Saran]

And each is licensed for up to 3 PC's. $45/PC is a price even a lot of
casual pirates can swallow. I don't know why MS isn't making a bigger
deal out of this.

Then why is it you must reactivate if you flash your bios?

 

[LaRoux]

Actually, there is a list, two of them even
(http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933305).

One for "Certified for Windows Vista" and the other for "Works with Windows
Vista". I have to admit, they are both embarrassingly short at this time. It
is interesting to see that many of the ISV's who took the time and effort to
get their stuff tested aren't necessarily the big ones.

 

[LaRoux]

Assuming by programs you are also referring to individual feature
differences, the best high level comparison site I know of is here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/choose.mspx

 

[Beck]

Then why is it you must reactivate if you flash your bios?

Different bios could mean a different computer. The OS has no way of
knowing whether a person has flashed the bios to a newer version or
installed it on a similar computer.

 

[Richard Urban]

Many programs that work flawlessly on XP, write to parts of the system, and
registry, that Microsoft has long said was taboo.

Now they are enforcing that taboo.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Guest]

Thanks to all the responses. I first looked at the website you listed,
LaRoux, but as you can see it gives really no specifics. You know, I bought
an HP Pavilion SlimLine s7700n from Circuit City a couple of weeks ago and it
failed on me in 4 days! As a result I took a "bath" on it by losing $90
restocking fee when I returned it. At any rate it had the Vista Home Premium
program already installed and I really liked it. It was just what I wanted
but now I'm back to my old failing 98se and was looking for another unit to
try. In doing so I see some units with "Vista Basic" and I then was
wondering how that compared to my brief interlude with "Vista Home Premium",
THAT IS WHAT STARTED THIS ALL.

 

[Guest]

How can I find out what programs are already installed in my computer?

 

[Saran]

Different bios could mean a different computer. The OS has no way of
knowing whether a person has flashed the bios to a newer version or
installed it on a similar computer.

But why are paying end users forced into such a cornor when it does
absolutely nothing to combat main stream pirating. XP's activation was
cracked early on and Vista's has been already too (not that I'm using
one... or Vista for that matter.) All it does is make people jump
through hoops while the folks in Redmond sit back and enjoy their
popcorn.

 

[Steve K.]

Many programs that work flawlessly on XP, write to parts of the
system, and registry, that Microsoft has long said was taboo.

Now they are enforcing that taboo.

However, many do not, and still wont run. Even some well established
applications that use a file based configuration file (and never touch
the registry) refuse to run for no explicable reason. For many I've
noticed it's when they attempt to register a DLL, a mechanism that's
been around since Windows 95 (and in lesser form almost since the dawn
of DLLs.)

Maybe they are enforcing some taboos, but it's far more than simply that
driving this effort, you can be sure of that.