Printing to CD/DVD media faces

[David H. Lipman]

I looked but possibly I did not look hard enough so I apologize in advance if this subject
matter was already covered in a previous thread.

Also, multi-posted to; alt.epson.printers

I have the Epson Artisan 835. I am very pleased with this printer and its ability to
print to CD/DVD faces. Having used a robotic Primera Bravo II in conjunction with
SureThing, I bought the Epson Artisan and a license for SureThing.

The results are very good. However, the problem is with the ink. The ink dries well but
it will smear with moisture.

I am presently using self-seal laminating sheets but often I get little air pockets. You
can't pop 'em without chancing damaging the media.

So, I am looking for options. Hopefully an option someone is already applying in their
trade.

TIA

 

[Robert Neville]

The results are very good. However, the problem is with the ink. The ink dries well but
it will smear with moisture.

Doesn't seem like your media should be getting wet, but you could spray the
discs with a fixative after printing.

I am presently using self-seal laminating sheets but often I get little air pockets. You
can't pop 'em without chancing damaging the media.

Using any kind of self stick label on a disc is a bad idea. The adhesive will
eventually dry out and you may unbalance the disc if the label isn't applied
perfectly on center.

 

[Yianni]

There are two solutions. You could find cd/dvd which are water resistant
(there would be few in the market), or you can change the ink to a water
resistant.
I sent you a private email.

 

[David H. Lipman]

Doesn't seem like your media should be getting wet, but you could spray the
discs with a fixative after printing.

Assume the worse and hope for the best. Mabe the DVD I burn needs to be cleaned. Maybe
the CD I burn gets in the rain.

You snipped my post. You shouldn't have. I stated "Hopefully an option someone is
already applying in their trade." How do I know this fixer or clear coat will not cause
the colour to rise and smear, blotch or present some other deformaty.

Using any kind of self stick label on a disc is a bad idea. The adhesive will
eventually dry out and you may unbalance the disc if the label isn't applied
perfectly on center.

Sorry, you completely missed that. The clear self-sealing laminate is NOT a stick on
label. They are sheets that are 8.5" x 11" that are clear with a backing similar to
decals and bumber stickers. Their adhesive would outlive the life of the media. Once the
self-sealing laminate is appliede to the fgacet, I have to cut off the excess from around
the perimeter and the interior of the hub. Such an application is thorough and completely
symetrical.

NOTE: In the future, when someone posts, do not snip the oroginal post text. If down the
road the thread comments and replies get long then extraneous text can be snipped.
However, the original post should NOT be snipped unless it is a very long monologue which
my post clearly wasn't.

 

[David H. Lipman]

There are two solutions. You could find cd/dvd which are water resistant (there would be
few in the market), or you can change the ink to a water resistant.
I sent you a private email.

All CD/DVD media are water resistant. It is the ink that is the issue.

I don't understand why you sent me an email. Replies on Usenet should go to Usenet so all
parties benefit. That is unless the parties agree to take it offline

 

[John McWilliams]

On 8/2/11 PDT 4:10 AM, David H. Lipman wrote:
NOTE: In the future, when someone posts, do not snip the oroginal
post text. If down the

road the thread comments and replies get long then extraneous text can be snipped.
However, the original post should NOT be snipped unless it is a very long monologue which
my post clearly wasn't.

Well, this one certainly was.

Sheesh.

 

[Gernot Hassenpflug]

/../

I have the Epson Artisan 835. I am very pleased with this printer and
its ability to print to CD/DVD faces. /../

The results are very good. However, the problem is with the ink. The
ink dries well but it will smear with moisture.
/../

So, I am looking for options. /../

In Japan, Epson and Canon sell some models of printers that take not
only the black granular ink but also color granular inks, which are the
far more water-resistant ones. However, the adhesion of granular inks is
less, since it does not become taken up by the media to the same extent.

So, coating is a good idea to seal the media. And some printers come
with this facility.

Epson PX-G930:
8 colors
http://www.epson.jp/products/colorio/printer/pro/pxg930/
http://www.epson.jp/products/colorio/printer/pro/pxg930/shiyo.htm

Here the extract from functionality (my translation):
http://www.epson.jp/products/colorio/printer/pro/pxg930/kinou.htm

* Hi-technology
Glossy granular inks

(Note: all inks are granular, about 200x stronger than water-soluble
inks, and with at least 30 year durability)

i. Blue ink included

Apart from the 4 usual colors CMYK, also included here are true red
and true blue inks, which are otherwise usually created by
composition. Thereby, the range over which red and blue shades can
be represented is greatly enhanced; especially flowers and clothing
items can be shown much more vividly, and neutral skin tones too
can become much more life-like.

Furthermore, matte black and a so-called "gloss optimizer" coating
are included.

Matte black is for creating solid black background on matte
media. "Gloss optimizer" is a dense and highly transparent sealant,
so sections of the media on which no ink has been placed can
likewise be made to appear of the same consistency. Light
reflection is controlled and the media appears glossy overall,
right up to the edges.

At the same time, granular ink can be made to adhere much better to
the media.

ii. Glossy granular inks for extra beauty

Via the use of "gloss optimizer" to seal granular ink and make
non-inked parts of the media consistent in appearance, the
reflection is controlled and a beautiful glossy appearance of the
entire media created.

Also, the drops of granular inks are coated in the same material as
the "gloss optimizer", so the appearance of a completely inked page
(e.g. photo) is just like that of one with a coating applied.

iii. Long-term print color tone stability

A long-standing problem with water-soluble inks has been the need
for a drying time, and the difference between a just-printed page
and one that has dried can be quite severe.

Epson's granular inks manage to overcome this limitation, by
decreasing the difference between just-printed and long-term
storage drastically. The final color can be determined immediately
after printing, perfect for all those specializing in retouching.



Canon Pro 9500 Mk.II:
10 granular colors (C, M, Y, PC, PM, R, G, MBK, PBK, GY)
http://cweb.canon.jp/pixus/lineup/a3pro/pro9500mk2/index.html
http://cweb.canon.jp/pixus/lineup/a3pro/pro9500mk2/spec.html

Canon names its granular ink technology LUCIA.
CMY: normal shades
PC,PM: photo shades (light)
R,G: red, green
MBK: matte black (dark)
PBK: photo black (light)
GY: grey ink

 

[David H. Lipman]

/../


In Japan, Epson and Canon sell some models of printers that take not
only the black granular ink but also color granular inks, which are the
far more water-resistant ones. However, the adhesion of granular inks is
less, since it does not become taken up by the media to the same extent.

So, coating is a good idea to seal the media. And some printers come
with this facility.

Epson PX-G930:
8 colors
http://www.epson.jp/products/colorio/printer/pro/pxg930/
http://www.epson.jp/products/colorio/printer/pro/pxg930/shiyo.htm

Here the extract from functionality (my translation):
http://www.epson.jp/products/colorio/printer/pro/pxg930/kinou.htm

* Hi-technology
Glossy granular inks

(Note: all inks are granular, about 200x stronger than water-soluble
inks, and with at least 30 year durability)

i. Blue ink included

Apart from the 4 usual colors CMYK, also included here are true red
and true blue inks, which are otherwise usually created by
composition. Thereby, the range over which red and blue shades can
be represented is greatly enhanced; especially flowers and clothing
items can be shown much more vividly, and neutral skin tones too
can become much more life-like.

Furthermore, matte black and a so-called "gloss optimizer" coating
are included.

Matte black is for creating solid black background on matte
media. "Gloss optimizer" is a dense and highly transparent sealant,
so sections of the media on which no ink has been placed can
likewise be made to appear of the same consistency. Light
reflection is controlled and the media appears glossy overall,
right up to the edges.

At the same time, granular ink can be made to adhere much better to
the media.

ii. Glossy granular inks for extra beauty

Via the use of "gloss optimizer" to seal granular ink and make
non-inked parts of the media consistent in appearance, the
reflection is controlled and a beautiful glossy appearance of the
entire media created.

Also, the drops of granular inks are coated in the same material as
the "gloss optimizer", so the appearance of a completely inked page
(e.g. photo) is just like that of one with a coating applied.

iii. Long-term print color tone stability

A long-standing problem with water-soluble inks has been the need
for a drying time, and the difference between a just-printed page
and one that has dried can be quite severe.

Epson's granular inks manage to overcome this limitation, by
decreasing the difference between just-printed and long-term
storage drastically. The final color can be determined immediately
after printing, perfect for all those specializing in retouching.

Canon Pro 9500 Mk.II:
10 granular colors (C, M, Y, PC, PM, R, G, MBK, PBK, GY)
http://cweb.canon.jp/pixus/lineup/a3pro/pro9500mk2/index.html
http://cweb.canon.jp/pixus/lineup/a3pro/pro9500mk2/spec.html

Canon names its granular ink technology LUCIA.
CMY: normal shades
PC,PM: photo shades (light)
R,G: red, green
MBK: matte black (dark)
PBK: photo black (light)
GY: grey ink

Arigato

 

[John.H.]

/../


I have the epson r200 that i use for printing on dvd/cds.I have used the

KRYLON UV-RESISTANT CLEAR ACRYLIC COATING.it is a spray that you spray
on the disc.And it works real well.You can google it and find out more.

 

[David H. Lipman]

I have the epson r200 that i use for printing on dvd/cds.I have used the KRYLON
UV-RESISTANT CLEAR ACRYLIC COATING.it is a spray that you spray on the disc.And it works
real well.You can google it and find out more.

I know Krylon products.

So you have used this with good results ? Any problems ?

Do you think Home Depot or Lowes will have this ?

 

[John.H.]

I know Krylon products.

So you have used this with good results ? Any problems ?

Do you think Home Depot or Lowes will have this ?

I think that most big hardware stores will have it.I bought mine at a
hobby shop.I had no problems with it.I put a sheet of newspaper or
cardboard down and put the disc on it and sprayed a lite coat on it.
you may want to try it on a couple of your old disc first.it also dries
fast.

 

[David H. Lipman]

I think that most big hardware stores will have it.I bought mine at a hobby shop.I had
no problems with it.I put a sheet of newspaper or cardboard down and put the disc on it
and sprayed a lite coat on it.
you may want to try it on a couple of your old disc first.it also dries fast.

I went to Home Depot. Nope, they don't have it. No Krylon products. Took a chance and
tried Minwax polycryllic and it is no good. The ink was absobed by the coating and
blurred out.

I checked Krylon's web site for resellers. Walmart is one but, I won't step a foot into
any of their stores. Will continue to look for a local reseller but. Maybe an Art store
or I may have to purchase online and have it sent to me.

This is a good alternative and I will continue this avenue with Krylon. Thank you.

 

[John.H.]

I went to Home Depot. Nope, they don't have it. No Krylon products. Took a chance and
tried Minwax polycryllic and it is no good. The ink was absobed by the coating and
blurred out.

I checked Krylon's web site for resellers. Walmart is one but, I won't step a foot into
any of their stores. Will continue to look for a local reseller but. Maybe an Art store
or I may have to purchase online and have it sent to me.

This is a good alternative and I will continue this avenue with Krylon. Thank you.

Yes you can buy online but you have to pay shipping.I don't know where
you live so I don't know what stores you have.But I buy mine at michaels
art & crafts store

 

[David H. Lipman]

Yes you can buy online but you have to pay shipping.I don't know where you live so I
don't know what stores you have.But I buy mine at michaels art & crafts store

I'm in New Jersey.

 

[Joel]

I looked but possibly I did not look hard enough so I apologize in advance if this subject
matter was already covered in a previous thread.

Also, multi-posted to; alt.epson.printers

I have the Epson Artisan 835. I am very pleased with this printer and its ability to
print to CD/DVD faces. Having used a robotic Primera Bravo II in conjunction with
SureThing, I bought the Epson Artisan and a license for SureThing.

The results are very good. However, the problem is with the ink. The ink dries well but
it will smear with moisture.

I am presently using self-seal laminating sheets but often I get little air pockets. You
can't pop 'em without chancing damaging the media.

So, I am looking for options. Hopefully an option someone is already applying in their
trade.

TIA

Because I have seen more than what you describe above to know exactly what
you mean by DRY WELL and SMEAR. I don't have this model but I assume it has
option to print directly to inkjet pritable CD/DVD.

I have been using Epson to print CD/DVD labels for many years, and this is
my personal experience. I also use SureThing too

1. You do not need to set to print graphic or photo mode. Just Text &
Graphic would do.

2. *If* you burn after *printed* then you will need to *clean* the ink on
the clear plasic area.

IOW, the ink only dry on the printing area (special coating) *not* the
plasic, when you burn the disc will *spin* and you may see some ink.

*If* not the above, then it means that some ink may be on the roller or
somewhere inside, then you just use alcohol to wipe if off.

*if* not print directly to the CD/DVD then I have no idea as I have
stopped using self-stick label for many many years.

 

[Joel]

I went to Home Depot. Nope, they don't have it. No Krylon products. Took a chance and
tried Minwax polycryllic and it is no good. The ink was absobed by the coating and
blurred out.

I checked Krylon's web site for resellers. Walmart is one but, I won't step a foot into
any of their stores. Will continue to look for a local reseller but. Maybe an Art store
or I may have to purchase online and have it sent to me.

This is a good alternative and I will continue this avenue with Krylon. Thank you.

It sounds like your printer doesn't have option to print directly to
CD/DVD. And if you do lot of CD/DVD printing then I would suggest to go for
the Epson model with option to print directly to inkjet printable CD/DVD

I just looked and see they have the Artican 725 with direct CD/DVD
printing, and it costs $99 new (Epson has $100 off). And you can get
refillable ink cartridges for around $17-25 (depending on where you buy) and
refill ink bottles may be around $20-25 for 6 bottles.

I saw a link as both 6 refillable ink catridges and 6 refill ink for $26
(after few clicks I can't no longer find the link)

 

[David H. Lipman]

Yes you can buy online but you have to pay shipping.I don't know where you live so I
don't know what stores you have.But I buy mine at michaels art & crafts store

K-Mart has it. No bleeding, good curing time. Excellent solution.

Thanx Again John!

 

[David H. Lipman]

It sounds like your printer doesn't have option to print directly to
CD/DVD. And if you do lot of CD/DVD printing then I would suggest to go for
the Epson model with option to print directly to inkjet printable CD/DVD

I just looked and see they have the Artican 725 with direct CD/DVD
printing, and it costs $99 new (Epson has $100 off). And you can get
refillable ink cartridges for around $17-25 (depending on where you buy) and
refill ink bottles may be around $20-25 for 6 bottles.

I saw a link as both 6 refillable ink catridges and 6 refill ink for $26
(after few clicks I can't no longer find the link)

The Artisan 835 does all that the 725 can do ecept it is also an ADF scanner (not just
flatbed).

I won't go the route of refilling ink. Only manufacturer carts or carts produced for
companies like Staples. So for me to go the ink replacement route either Epson has them
or a third part mages for the Epson Artisan printer (and family).

 

[David H. Lipman]

Because I have seen more than what you describe above to know exactly what
you mean by DRY WELL and SMEAR. I don't have this model but I assume it has
option to print directly to inkjet pritable CD/DVD.

I have been using Epson to print CD/DVD labels for many years, and this is
my personal experience. I also use SureThing too

1. You do not need to set to print graphic or photo mode. Just Text &
Graphic would do.

2. *If* you burn after *printed* then you will need to *clean* the ink on
the clear plasic area.

IOW, the ink only dry on the printing area (special coating) *not* the
plasic, when you burn the disc will *spin* and you may see some ink.

*If* not the above, then it means that some ink may be on the roller or
somewhere inside, then you just use alcohol to wipe if off.

*if* not print directly to the CD/DVD then I have no idea as I have
stopped using self-stick label for many many years.

I won't use labels or a "stomper". The Artisan has a tray that, when initiated, protrudes
to in front of the printer where you can place media on the hub.

 

[Joel]

The Artisan 835 does all that the 725 can do ecept it is also an ADF scanner (not just
flatbed).

I don't like to ask the question you forget to provide. So, if it does
everything and more, then I would suggest you to use inkjet printable CD/DVD
instead of seft-stick label.

And if you do use printable CD/DVD then I would suggest to go for
Full-Face, and also use with media with strong scratch resistance.

I won't go the route of refilling ink. Only manufacturer carts or carts produced for
companies like Staples. So for me to go the ink replacement route either Epson has them
or a third part mages for the Epson Artisan printer (and family).

Staples manufactures printer ink? you seem to be lot more than most of us
can handle. Cuz I have never heard that Staples manufacturing and ink, but
I have heard and seen many compnies doing and carrying refilled ink
cartridge, and that's all they do.

BTW, it's up to you. And if you need to know more about *refillable* ink
catridge then Google is your friend, and Youtube is your best friend.