Printer suggestions for X-mas

[measekite]

I took a look at the web site you referenced and saw that the prefix on
their Canon inks is WJ. This indicates that they are selling Image
Specialists ink which is highly regarded on this newsgroup.

HIGHLY REGARDING BY PEOPLE THAT DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE USING

Other good bulk
inks are Formulabs available from www.alotofthings.com

I WILL NEVER GO THERE. THEY SELL A BUNCH OF NONAME LABELS FOR PREFILLED
CARTS AND THEY DO NOT DISCLOSE WHAT IT IS

and HobbiColor ink
from www.hobbicolors.com. I also noticed that you said the only time you buy
Canon OEM cartridges is when you need a new one to use for refilling. Be
sure to take a look at the HobbiColors site. With the refill kit they sell,
you get new empty cartridges with nylon screws for sealing the fill opening.
If you need to order from them, go to eBay

A WONDERFUL PLACE TO DO BUSINESS

and search on HobbiColors or send
them a direct email. This is far less expensive than getting OEM tanks for
the purpose of refilling. Even if you didn't use the ink, it would still be
a huge savings. Also, because of your great comments about the benefits of
refilling I'm sure the troll will add you to the membership roll of what he
calls the Church of Aftermarket Refillers (or something like that).
HALLEULAH

If so,
welcome aboard. Be sure to join the official website of the "church"
www.nifty-stuff.com

VOMITING NOW

The site is troll free and has some very interesting
discussions about refilling.

HA HA HA HA

 

[Arthur Entlich]

You are asking a bit of a sub $100 printer.

The company has to make money somewhere, so it's usually either on the
printer, or on the ink. Cheap printers often require expensive ink
cartridges (small with little ink).

Art

 

[drc023]

newegg.com has the Canon iP4200 for less than $100 and refurb models for
$66.60 w/$1.00 shipping.

 

[Burt]

I just purchased a new factory sealed Canon ip5000 at Staples for $100.
This model was on the shelf at CompUSA, next door to another Staples store,
for $200. They are not at all the Staples stores but it would be worthwhile
to call any of their stores in your area. This was originally a $200 plus
printer. I missed the deal of the year last week when Staples sold out of
the ip4000 which would have been a net cost of $50 after rebate. Both of
these printers produce decent photo quality and have cartridges that can be
refilled as opposed to the newest Pixma line that has embedded computer
chips in their cartridges. I would expect that eventually someone will
figure out how to defeat the cartridge chip, aftermarket cartridges will
undoubtedly become available. You can also find prefilled aftermarket
cartridges for these printers, but be sure to follow the advice of
participants on this newsgroup and the Nifty-Stuff Forum for which
aftermarket inks and cartridges to use if you buy one of the above mentioned
printers. AND don't pay any attention to our resident troll who misinforms
about the issue of aftermarket inks.

 

[Taliesyn]

I just purchased a new factory sealed Canon ip5000 at Staples for $100.

And last month I bought an iP4000 (Staples in Canada) to back up my
iP5000! The i860 is put away in storage for special jobs. Naturally, I
bought the iP4000 with the money saved using non-OEM inks. I couldn't
afford one printer if I ran it with Canon brand inks.

I haven't compared photo print quality as they're loaded with two
different brands of ink - Formulabs prefilled in the iP4000 and
HobbiColors bulk in the 5000.

-Taliesyn

 

[drc023]

Several months ago I tested Hobbicolors, Formulabs, Canon and an inexpensive
third party set of cartridges on my iP4000 and iP3000. The results I came up
with had HobbiColors ahead of Formulabs and Canon by a very slight bit - not
enough to be meaningful. The main difference was the blues had better
definition on the step scales. The third party cartridge definitely wasn't
filled with any of the other inks and the results were quite good, but there
was a more noticeable difference than I'd have been happy with if I was
planning to use them on a full time basis.

 

[measekite]

And last month I bought an iP4000 (Staples in Canada) to back up my
iP5000! The i860 is put away in storage for special jobs. Naturally, I
bought the iP4000 with the money saved using non-OEM inks. I couldn't
afford one printer if I ran it with Canon brand inks.

THEY BUY DISONCTINUED NOT CUTTING EDGE STUFF BUT WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM
PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO PLAY WITH CLOGGED PRINTERS

I haven't compared photo print quality as they're loaded with two
different brands of ink - Formulabs prefilled in the iP4000 and

WHY HOW CAN YOU GET FORMULABS PREFILLED PIGMENTED BLACK INK FOR THE
PRINTER. I WAS TOLD ON THIS NG THAT IT DOES NOT EXIST. I WAS TOLD ON
THIS NG THAT 88INKJETS, THE ONLY COMPANY THAT DISCLOSES ON THEIR WEBSITE
WHAT THEY ARE PUTTING IN PREFILLED CARTS THAT THEY LIE ABOUT THE
PIGMENTED BLACK.

OH WELL, AT LEAST WITH CANON GENUINE OEM INK YOU GET CONSISTENCY AND
FULL DISCLOSURE AND CORRECT LABELING ON BOTH THE CART AND THE BOX. BUT I
GUESS FOR HEAVEY USERS LIKE YOURSELF YOU MUST TAKE THE RISK AND PUT UP
WITH THE UNPROFESSIONALISM OF THE AFTERMARKET INDUSTRY.

 

[Ron Shaw]

THEY BUY DISONCTINUED NOT CUTTING EDGE STUFF BUT WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM
PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO PLAY WITH CLOGGED PRINTERS

In case you haven't noticed, there have not been any "cutting edge"
improvements in Canon print technology since the ixxx series several
years ago. In fact, some of the Pixma series printers are downgrades in
terms of number of nozzles, speed, and number of colors, but they are
cheaper in terms of list price and print features. So, the discounted
older models are actually more sophisticated, and now at a better price.

Please don't mention the duplexing gimmick as an improvement, it is of
no use for photo printing.

 

[measekite]

In case you haven't noticed, there have not been any "cutting edge"
improvements in Canon print technology since the ixxx series several
years ago.
LIE

In fact, some of the Pixma series printers are downgrades in
terms of number of nozzles, speed, and number of colors, but they are
cheaper in terms of list price and print features.
LIE

So, the discounted
older models are actually more sophisticated, and now at a better price.

LIE

Please don't mention the duplexing gimmick as an improvement, it is of
no use for photo printing.

DUPLEXING IS AN IMPROVEMENT
TWIN PAPER TRAYS IS AN IMPROVEMENT
AND NOW THE INK IS AN IMPROVEMENT
SPEED IS AN IMPROVEMENT

 

[zakezuke]

speed is an improvement

Are you not the one who complains all the time about the ip4200 being
slower than the ip4000? How can you say Ron Shaw is lying when you
yoru self spend so much time yelling every chance you get that the new
ip4200 isn't worth buying because it's a downgrade from the ip4000?

Seriously Ron Shaw while I don't agree with "everything" he says has
some valid points. Duplexing was an option in the older series but now
comes standard. It's pretty useless in a photo printer and due to the
limited ink yield of the printer is only *somewhat* useful. It's a
feature I in fact don't use as using manual duplexing offered before
hitting the canon drivers results in crisper output without using the
color ink. I blame the failure of my mp760 on duplexing as the error I
couldn't recover from was a sensor in the autoduplex area, a feature I
hardly used. I will also agree with Ron Shaw in the fact that the i960
had more nozzles than the ip6000D and also was all around was a better
printer. The newer ones I can't judge as i've not seen them yet.

But as a rule of thumb, anyone reading this should trust those with
experence with the printers they are talking about... where measkite in
all fairness only has any experence with the ip4000 and some HP
printer. He gets all his info from PC world which while an semi-OK
source for first impressions and some realtime benchmarks but is no
replacement for real experence from real users who actually have used A
printer for AN application.

 

[Ron Shaw]

DUPLEXING IS AN IMPROVEMENT
TWIN PAPER TRAYS IS AN IMPROVEMENT
AND NOW THE INK IS AN IMPROVEMENT
SPEED IS AN IMPROVEMENT

None of the above (IN CAPS) is true. (i960 has 4x6 & letter size trays).
Speed has not been improved, check out the specs. Ink is the same, but
some of the newer cartridges are a step backward for refillers, which is
the subject here.

 

[Gary Tait]

None of the above (IN CAPS) is true. (i960 has 4x6 & letter size trays).
Speed has not been improved, check out the specs. Ink is the same, but
some of the newer cartridges are a step backward for refillers, which is
the subject here.

For photo printing, yes, duplexing is useless, but for my whom prints out
text quite a bit, I love it.
Twin paper sources is good, letter in the cartridge, photo in the ASF.

 

[Burt]

None of the above (IN CAPS) is true. (i960 has 4x6 & letter size trays).
Speed has not been improved, check out the specs. Ink is the same, but
some of the newer cartridges are a step backward for refillers, which is
the subject here.

Ron - your response to our resident troll is absolutely correct. I wish I
could have bought another new i960 for photo printing instead of the ip5000
I just purchased this week. MK's rant about purchasing "old technology" is
the same old nonsense he spouted when I bought my first i960 (and
subsequently my second one for my wife) more than a year ago. I don't see
any posts from him indicating that he has rushed out to buy an ip4200 to
replace his beloved "old technology" ip4000. I guess old technology suits
him just fine although he criticizes others for purchasing the same
generation of printer he uses. I would have liked to purchase an ip4000
when Staples had them for $100 with a $50 rebate a few weeks ago. I did
find the ip5000 on closeout for $100 lsat week. My wife will use the ip5000
which will serve her purpose well as she prints out a few web pages and
emails each week, and I will take her i960 as I use it exclusively for photo
printing.

I set up the newly purchased ip5000 and tried the duplexing feature. It is
very cleverly done, but it is also extremely slow. Using high quality
uncoated paper, there is enough of a shadow of printing on the opposite side
to render it useless for important documents unless the file is all black
text. I haven't tried it yet, but I have read on this NG that when
duplexing is selected the black pimented ink prints lighter. The lower feed
cassette is suitable for plain paper but I wouldn't use it for photo paper
or envelopes due to the 180 turn on the paper path. Although I don't use
the 4x6 attachment on my i960, the dual feed arrangement does use a nearly
straight paper path for both sizes/types of paper.

 

[measekite]

@news.aracnet.com:




For photo printing, yes, duplexing is useless, but for my whom prints out
text quite a bit, I love it.
Twin paper sources is good, letter in the cartridge, photo in the ASF.

Oh Yeah

 

[measekite]

None of the above (IN CAPS) is true. (i960 has 4x6 & letter size trays).
Speed has not been improved, check out the specs. Ink is the same, but
some of the newer cartridges are a step backward for refillers, which is
the subject here.

ALL OF THE ABOVE IN CAPS IS TRUE. AND YES REFILLING IS A STEP BACKWARD