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Bob F

Ken said:
Hey, casey,

With all the questions you have, why not spend $ .99 plus shipping
for a used copy of Windows XP Inside Out Deluxe Edition?
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I've wondered if he's ever tried a search engine.
 
K

Ken Springer

I've wondered if he's ever tried a search engine.
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Hi, Bob,

Have you missed the numerous posts where it's stated he's on a dialup
connection?

All these "modern" conveniences we use on computers, such as search
engines, help files that are on a server in BFE instead of our hard
drives, Twitter, Facebook, instant messaging, etc. just are pretty much
useless when you're on dial up.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.3.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
 
C

CapraIbex

Hi, Bob,

Have you missed the numerous posts where it's stated he's on a dialup
connection?

All these "modern" conveniences we use on computers, such as search
engines, help files that are on a server in BFE instead of our hard
drives, Twitter, Facebook, instant messaging, etc. just are pretty much
useless when you're on dial up.
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I was on dial-up until recently - it's slow, downloading is a pita but
accessing search engines such as google or duck duck was satisfactory.
 
K

Ken Springer

I was on dial-up until recently - it's slow, downloading is a pita but
accessing search engines such as google or duck duck was satisfactory.
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Accessing is one thing, then the time it takes to load and read X number
of sites becomes a bigger problem. I know I never want to go back. :)


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.3.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
 
G

Good Guy

Thanks

If I was gonna use XP more, I'd buy it, but my days of using XP are
over.
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I hope so. for a very long time I wanted to suggest that you should buy
a very basic DELL machine with Windows 8.1 and you would have saved
yourself all the aggro of trying to fix XP. A basic machine from DELL
is very likely to be better than what you already have running XP. I
have been there so I know it.

I had about 5 old XP machines and the problem I had was that they
stopped booting from a CD drive so imaging them was a problem so I
decided to buy 2 laptops and 1 desktop from DELL and now I have three
Windows 8.1 machines to play with.
 
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Paul

Good said:
I hope so. for a very long time I wanted to suggest that you should buy
a very basic DELL machine with Windows 8.1 and you would have saved
yourself all the aggro of trying to fix XP. A basic machine from DELL
is very likely to be better than what you already have running XP. I
have been there so I know it.

I had about 5 old XP machines and the problem I had was that they
stopped booting from a CD drive so imaging them was a problem so I
decided to buy 2 laptops and 1 desktop from DELL and now I have three
Windows 8.1 machines to play with.
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Which is fine advice if you *like* Windows 8.

A sensible person visits the Best Buy, plays with the
laptops having Windows 8 or 8.1 on them, and decides
whether that's the right thing for them.

Selecting a machine with the 32 bit version of
the OS on it, improves the odds that really old
software moved from a previous computer, will work.
(As the 64 bit OS, has no 16 bit WOW Windows On Windows
subsystem, while the 32 bit version of Windows 8 would
still have the ability to run programs having 16 bit
installer code.)

Back when Windows 8 was at the Preview stage, you
could download the DVD and evaluate in the comfort
of your own home. Going to the Best Buy now,
just saves a lot of time. Someone like Casey, with
limited download speeds, wouldn't enjoy having to trial
the Enterprise version or something.

Since Casey has already managed to invert the
display output of a Windows 8 machine at the
store, maybe that OS is a good fit :)

Paul
 
K

Ken Springer

Do those come with the CD? (And how much is shipping?)
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I don't know, I just did a search. I've got a copy, so I don't care
about shipping. Go look.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.3.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
 
C

casey.o

I hope so. for a very long time I wanted to suggest that you should buy
a very basic DELL machine with Windows 8.1 and you would have saved
yourself all the aggro of trying to fix XP. A basic machine from DELL
is very likely to be better than what you already have running XP. I
have been there so I know it.

I had about 5 old XP machines and the problem I had was that they
stopped booting from a CD drive so imaging them was a problem so I
decided to buy 2 laptops and 1 desktop from DELL and now I have three
Windows 8.1 machines to play with.
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I woundn't wish Win8 on my worst enemy.....
I dont like it at all. I've played with it in the stores and find it
obnoxious. There were only 2 tings I liked about it. In IE, they have
a thing that puts a bunch of blow dots on the screen that looks like
fireworks when the screen is touched or the mouse touches them. I was
entertained for 10 minutes by that worthless but cute app. The other
thing is that I could turn the screen upsidedown to annoy the store
clerks :)

And then you said DELL. Of all the computer brands, I seriously dislike
Dells. They use dedicated parts which are costly to replace and many of
the P4 dual core series seem to overheat and once it does, it run slower
than a slug from then on. (I have 3 of those in my jump pile, and know
someone who uses one like that. I like the Lenovo/Ibm machines and all
of mine are IBM except one I made from junk parts.

My future computer uses will be to continue using Win98 (which I love),
and learning linux so soon I can use that for at least online browsing.

I installed PcLinux today on my formerly XP desktop. It took 10
minutes. No driver bullshit, no annoying popups, and best of all, it's
safe from viruses without AV software, to slow it down. I'm kind of
enjoying using it, even if I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing yet. The
only problem I had with the install, is that it would not accept
installing it to my first partition. I finally just let it format and
install to the whole 500Gb HDD.

I dont ever want to go thru this huge virus mess again. I have now had
to wipe out (format) 2 systems, and I'l still having to check all my
flash drives, my Win2000, and other stuff. If a virus hits Win8, I
imagine its much worse with all that built in bloat.

I really dont like any OS that MS has made since Win98. Win2000 is
tolerable.... I was beginning to like XP, after spending weeks tweaking
all the annoyances out of it, and all of that was a waste of many many
hours. I wont go thru that again either.
 
K

Ken Springer

I installed PcLinux today on my formerly XP desktop. It took 10
minutes. No driver bullshit, no annoying popups, and best of all, it's
safe from viruses without AV software, to slow it down.
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I hate to burst your bubble, casey, but there are viruses for Linux.
Not too many is my understanding, but they do exist now. Also for the Mac.

I remember reading about one virus, that first determined if it was a
Windows, Max, or Linux computer. Then, it installed the appropriate code.

<snip>


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.3.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
 
T

Todd

I remember reading about one virus, that first determined if it was a
Windows, Max, or Linux computer. Then, it installed the appropriate code.
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Hi Ken,

On OSx and Linux, the virus must have the "root" password
externally supplied to load. Good luck with that.

It is really difficult to infect Linux, especially if
you have SE Linux installed.

Most Windows users run as administrator: makes it
really easy to install junkware and viruses.

Here is a nice article from Security Focus on Linux
vs Windows and viruses.

http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/188

Love the tag line:
To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it;
to mess up your Windows box, you just need to
work on it.

-T

My gosh, lately, my customers are awash in junkware!
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

In message <[email protected]>, Paul <[email protected]>
writes:
[]
Selecting a machine with the 32 bit version of
the OS on it, improves the odds that really old
software moved from a previous computer, will work.
(As the 64 bit OS, has no 16 bit WOW Windows On Windows
subsystem, while the 32 bit version of Windows 8 would
still have the ability to run programs having 16 bit
installer code.)
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[]
What no-one has ever explained to me in words I can understand is _why_
this is the case. I could understand (at a superficial level only!) if,
say, systems with a 64-bit OS could only run 64-bit applications, but
since they _can_ run 32-bit ones with a suitable WOW, then why not
lower? Why can't WOWs be nested/stacked/whatever? And why don't
Microsoft (I assume we're only talking Windows here)
support/provide/whatever this? OK, a "sandpit" might be required for
some older things, but is that really such a great effort or risk?
 
K

Ken Springer

Hi Ken,

On OSx and Linux, the virus must have the "root" password
externally supplied to load. Good luck with that.
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Doesn't prevent casey or anyone else from doing that. <G>

<snip>


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.3.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
 
G

Good Guy

Which is fine advice if you *like* Windows 8.
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When XP was first released people hated it. then came SP1, and SP1a,
SP2 and SP3 and people hated all of these releases but now they are same
people who are stuck with XP and can't move anywhere else.

This is life. People are always reluctant to change until it is forced
on them. My local bank has decided that they will abolish couter
service in 6 months time and we have to use online banking and cash
machines. I don't like it but it will be forced on me. I never use
cash machines because of people skimming the card; Also, I don't trust
online banking.. Now i'll have to get used to it or start hiding cash
under the mattress.
 
T

Todd

When XP was first released people hated it. then came SP1, and SP1a,
SP2 and SP3 and people hated all of these releases but now they are same
people who are stuck with XP and can't move anywhere else.
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Hi Guy,

Almost true with me. I preferred Windows 2000 until XP-SP3.
came out: more stable, 5% faster. That did the trick. After
that, I was okay with XP

The "better" and "faster" thing is what got me. It has been
a very long time since M$ has repeated that. Don't confuse
peoples disgust with slower, buggier, less stable, less
compatible with not liking change. People love new, shiny
toys. Look how the iPhone and iPad took off. They were
better mouse traps.

M$ has yet to produce a better mouse trap
in years. But see they both own the roads and make the
cars that run on them. Lots of mischief, such as being forced
to replace perfectly good cars because they changed the
roads so they can sell more slower, buggier, less stable,
less compatible cars.
This is life. People are always reluctant to change until it is forced
on them. My local bank has decided that they will abolish couter
service in 6 months time and we have to use online banking and cash
machines. I don't like it but it will be forced on me. I never use
cash machines because of people skimming the card; Also, I don't trust
online banking.. Now i'll have to get used to it or start hiding cash
under the mattress.
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Get another bank. Or better yet, get a Credit Union. I don't
do Online Backing at all. Banks do not use the proper security
(out-of-band verification) because the are both lazy and don't
want to annoy their customers. And don't do any personal anything
on line with Windows. It is too easy to hack.

On cash machines, the bad guys put an inline dongle between
the swiper and motherboard. They blue tooth your stuff to
a waiting car. Just use cash. At least the bad guys have
to actually mug you to your face. By the way, if a couple of
bill misread on a cash machine, you are screwed.

By the way, I help people with PCI (credit card security)
implementation including penetration testing. OH HOLY
COW are most merchants sloppy to the point of being
criminally negligent. Keep your credit card in your pocket
unless you are forced to use it. AND read your statements!

-T
 
T

Todd

Kinda like when you go to the airport - good luck on finding ticket agents.

People are reluctant to change - yes. But sometimes there's a good reason,
too. Meaning: some of the changes aren't for the better, and are simply
cost cutting. "Customer service" (when you call in) is often customer
disservice these days, with a few rare exceptions (L.L. Bean comes to mind).
And it didn't always used to be this way. This is not progress, despite
all the hype.
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Bill has a point. Not all new stuff is better. Folks like
new and shiny things, if they work.

Speaking of customer service, if we are now a "service
economy", what happened to the "customer service".

In my business, we do not text. You can eMail me if you
don't mind waiting a day or to to get responded to. We
"talk" to our clients. It is called a telephone. (What
marvelous innovation.) You even get to find out how their
kids/grandkids are doing, how their broken arm is healing,
etc.. "Relationships outlast transactions." The customer
feel like we care about them and we do. (You can't fake it.
You actually have to care.)
 
P

Paul

J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
Selecting a machine with the 32 bit version of
the OS on it, improves the odds that really old
software moved from a previous computer, will work.
(As the 64 bit OS, has no 16 bit WOW Windows On Windows
subsystem, while the 32 bit version of Windows 8 would
still have the ability to run programs having 16 bit
installer code.)
Click to expand...

What no-one has ever explained to me in words I can understand is _why_
this is the case. I could understand (at a superficial level only!) if,
say, systems with a 64-bit OS could only run 64-bit applications, but
since they _can_ run 32-bit ones with a suitable WOW, then why not
lower? Why can't WOWs be nested/stacked/whatever? And why don't
Microsoft (I assume we're only talking Windows here)
support/provide/whatever this? OK, a "sandpit" might be required for
some older things, but is that really such a great effort or risk?[/QUOTE]

Because Microsoft is not Apple. That's why there is no WOW for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_On_Windows

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOW64

Paul
 

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