Perhaps an Nvidia Convert (9600XT purchase?)

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Tom Wells

I'm on the verge of getting an ASUS 9600XT. I've seen threads about
refresh rate problems, artifacts, and miscellaneous other problems. A
few people have sworn off ATI because of the drivers(feels like the Abit
newsgroup).

What problems am I likely to encounter with ATI and this card.

Tom

Abit KG7
Athlon 1ghz
512 meg Samsung ram
Ensonic Audio PCI
Intel Ether Express
Antec TruPower 330
2 Seagate Barracuda IV 40gig
Current Video Card: Asus GeForce 2 GTS
 
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PB

I just replaced my nVidia GF4 Ti 4200 with a Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro
Atlantis 128MB.

This was the worst move I have ever made in buying a computer part in my
life, and I buy a lot of parts.

The ATI drivers suck so abyssmally, these damn French Canadians couldn't
program their way out of a wet paper bag. The textures are rough and missing
pixels, full of artifacts at close range and generally unconvincing, where
games are generally moving towards a greater element of graphical realism.
The card stops and sputters every time a large number of graphic elements
are introduced at one time, and alt-tabbing in and out of a game, which used
to be an easy thing with the nVidia card, took me weeks to get working on
the ATI part.

I * still * am more satisfied with the GF2Go 32MB video built into my laptop
than I am with my brand spanking new 9600 Pro.

I swore off ATI many years ago when I first put an ATI video card in my 486,
I should have known better than to buy an ATI part again.

My personal and heartfelt advice to you would be to go find yourself a good
high-end GF4 Titanium or a mid-range GF FX.

PB
 
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Shawk

PB said:
I just replaced my nVidia GF4 Ti 4200 with a Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro
Atlantis 128MB.

This was the worst move I have ever made in buying a computer part in my
life, and I buy a lot of parts.

The ATI drivers suck so abyssmally, these damn French Canadians couldn't
program their way out of a wet paper bag. The textures are rough and missing
pixels, full of artifacts at close range and generally unconvincing, where
games are generally moving towards a greater element of graphical realism.
The card stops and sputters every time a large number of graphic elements
are introduced at one time, and alt-tabbing in and out of a game, which used
to be an easy thing with the nVidia card, took me weeks to get working on
the ATI part.

I * still * am more satisfied with the GF2Go 32MB video built into my laptop
than I am with my brand spanking new 9600 Pro.

I swore off ATI many years ago when I first put an ATI video card in my 486,
I should have known better than to buy an ATI part again.

My personal and heartfelt advice to you would be to go find yourself a good
high-end GF4 Titanium or a mid-range GF FX.

PB
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I have a 9600 Pro in this PC and Nvidia cards in the other two. The 9600
Pro blows the others away and my next purchase will probably also be ATI.
Never had any problems and love the increase in visual quality in addition
to the increase in speed (playing games with aniscopic, anti-aliasing etc -
cant do that on the Nvidias without massive slow-down)

People have posted in here with driver issues. People have also posted in
the Nvidia group with driver issues. It depends on your PC and how
up-to-date your other drivers are (mobo chipset, DirectX etc). Biggest
issue besides this seems to be folk who do not seem to properly clear any
remains of previous drivers when loading new ones.

If you have an issue there will be a fix - same as Nvidia.

Entirely up to you. Whatever you decide I hope it goes well. Shawk
 
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matthew utt

have you ever thought that the reason u have bad expieriences with ati is
because ur computers suck? or maybe u suck at building them
ur prolly bottlenecking the piss outta the card and well **** it
it doesnt matter anyway there is just somthing wrong with you if u demean
ati like this
ati is the best and u know it but u have problems admitting when your wrong
switching from nvidia from ati was the best move i ever made
what is all this alt tab trouble u have? took u weeks? damn u must have
problems with your computer
next time u buy a card how about buying a computer worth a damn
 
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Rockin Ronnie

We Live For The One We Die For The One said:
9600 Pro here and it rocks :)
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I have a 9600Pro. Would not consider any other card. Best bang for the buck
out there and never a problem with drivers. If I were migrating from NVIDIA
I would be considering a fresh install of Windows since old driver issues
seem to be the culprit for most who have problems with ATI cards.

Ron
 
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Dark Avenger

rms said:
Consider the FX5900. $200 and beats the 9600XT easily.

rms
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You do have a good point!

The FX5900 Non Ultra is a very fast fine card, ... decent performance
in DX9 to. It's not as good as ATI.. but decent!

And for 200 dollar... a giveaway!
 
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Dark Avenger

Rockin Ronnie said:
I have a 9600Pro. Would not consider any other card. Best bang for the buck
out there and never a problem with drivers. If I were migrating from NVIDIA
I would be considering a fresh install of Windows since old driver issues
seem to be the culprit for most who have problems with ATI cards.

Ron
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I moved from an ti4800SE to an 9500 Pro, and yes it required a
re-install. But, I must say, don't wish to go back!

I haven't gone much "up" in DX8 speed, but once the shaders kick in...
the ti4800SE loses terrain very quickly. And to be able to run
Anti-aliasing without loosing 50% of the performance is rather
fine.....

But yes, you definitly need a windows re-install!
 
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Tom Wells

Thanks for the replies, both pro and con. I'm lookin forward to some
rockin Half-Life2 graphics and action.
 
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Darthy

I'm on the verge of getting an ASUS 9600XT. I've seen threads about
refresh rate problems, artifacts, and miscellaneous other problems. A
few people have sworn off ATI because of the drivers(feels like the Abit
newsgroup).

What problems am I likely to encounter with ATI and this card.

Tom

Abit KG7
Athlon 1ghz
512 meg Samsung ram
Ensonic Audio PCI
Intel Ether Express
Antec TruPower 330
2 Seagate Barracuda IV 40gig
Current Video Card: Asus GeForce 2 GTS
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1 - Your system is OOOOOOOOOOOLD (no insult implied)
2 - Your System doesn't even max out the GF3 Ti200 card.
3 - Get the ATI if you're planning on upgrading some of your parts.

Recommendation:

$100 - ASUS Nforce2 mobo (Add $25 for Firewire /SATA/RAID/Dual LAN)
$ 95 - Retail box version of AMD XP2500 (Overclock 200Mhz for 2800+)
$ 80 - 512mb (2x 256) DDR RAM.

The new board will replace your Network card and sound card, as they
are BETTER on the Nforce2 and shaves off 2 slots.

I went from Ti4200 > ATI 9800Pro.... No problems. But even people
have problems upgrading from Nvidia > Nvidia.

My setup:
AMD 2500 / ASUS KT400 board with Firewire /SATA/RAID/Dual LAN.
 
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Darthy

I just replaced my nVidia GF4 Ti 4200 with a Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro
Atlantis 128MB.
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Same here... but 9800PRO.... Went very well... smokes my Ti4200.
This was the worst move I have ever made in buying a computer part in my
life, and I buy a lot of parts.
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Perhaps you had another issue? Some stupid Nvidia driver code still
there etc... My ATI sputtered like crap until I cleaned out the Nvidia
drivers.... smooth ever sense.
I * still * am more satisfied with the GF2Go 32MB video built into my laptop
than I am with my brand spanking new 9600 Pro.
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Thats LOW...
 
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Wblane

All new Thouroughbreds and Bartons are now LOCKED. Good luck overclocking them.
$100 - ASUS Nforce2 mobo (Add $25 for Firewire /SATA/RAID/Dual LAN)
$ 95 - Retail box version of AMD XP2500 (Overclock 200Mhz for 2800+)
$ 80 - 512mb (2x 256) DDR RAM.

The new board will replace your Network card and sound card, as they
are BETTER on the Nforce2 and shaves off 2 slots.

I went from Ti4200 > ATI 9800Pro.... No problems. But even people
have problems upgrading from Nvidia > Nvidia.

My setup:
AMD 2500 / ASUS KT400 board with Firewire /SATA/RAID/Dual LAN.
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-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
 
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Tom Wells

I'm always surprized how quickly some folks reinstall windows. Yikes!
That takes days. Reinstall windows, then all your software, then the
configuration time and settings you forgot how to set, then the personal
data files. I'd rather spend some extra time trying to sluth out the
problem and fix it without a reinstall. Rewarding if it works. I've seen
many posts where a reinstall didn't help too.

Tom
 
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Tom Wells

Darthy, you said "Your System doesn't even max out the GF3 Ti200 card."

What does that really mean?

Tom
 
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Darthy

You do have a good point!

The FX5900 Non Ultra is a very fast fine card, ... decent performance
in DX9 to. It's not as good as ATI.. but decent!

And for 200 dollar... a giveaway!
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There are times when the ATI 9600Pro is faster than the 5900 card...
but with some OpenGL titles, the TI4200 is a bit faster than the 9600.

Nobody makes THE PERFECT VIDEO CARD
(okay, Amiga - but that was a long time ago).

here is HOW I break it down:

$120 or less = GF4 - Ti4200 hands down.
$150~200 = 9600 PRO / XT
$200~250 = FX 5900
$350~350 = ATi 9800Pro/XT
 
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lacunae

Wblane said:
All new Thouroughbreds and Bartons are now LOCKED. Good luck overclocking them.

-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
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seems like most people are having good success with the xp2500+
just upping the fsb from 166 to 200 and running it as an xp3200+
(assuming that the rest of their system can run at that speed
of course)

its what i'm doing anyways (tho my xp2500+ is not multiplier locked)
xp2500+ (11x200), dfi lanparty nfii ultra, ati aiw9600pro
 
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Darthy

Darthy, you said "Your System doesn't even max out the GF3 Ti200 card."

What does that really mean?
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Meaning, your SLOW system is effecting video performance... A new
card will help a little bit more - visually... but not much in real
games. its the bottleneck.
 
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Dark Avenger

Tom Wells said:
Darthy, you said "Your System doesn't even max out the GF3 Ti200 card."

What does that really mean?

Tom
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It means the videocard is eating out of it's nose while waiting on the
CPU to give it orders...

Like having a workcrew of 70 men to clean up a small kindergarden! Its
work that 7 people could easily do within an hour and you are there
with your 70 men crew!

Wich means that if you buy a fast card, instead of 70 men, you have
150 men... eating out of their nose....

Really your money is better spend into a new
motherboard/processor/memory combination!
 
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