Pentium III too hot?

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bcwd

I put a used slot 1 type Pentium III 750 Mhz in a friends computer
because her processor fan died on her old one and this one said it was
packaged with a new fan and heat sink and ran a bit faster. The new
fan looks like it is running ok but checked the BIOS today and found
the CPU running at about 85 degrees C or 185 degrees F. Thought that
sounded a bit hot but I don't know what the recommended range is. Does
anybody know the recommended temperature for this CPU?
Thanks in advance, bcwd
 
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peter

It should run in the 40 celsius range...........check you installed all
correctly especially the thermal paste...a very very thin layer between the
chip and the heatsink.
I am sure that the Intel website or even a Google search on Intel 3 750
would have turned this up.
peter
 
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bcwd

Peter, I really appreciate the reply. Went to google like you said and
got the Intel site - 80 degrees Max Core and 45 degrees fan inlet. (I
will query google next time.) Read the motherboard manual for the BIOS
and it just says "CPU temperature". I'm assuming that means Max Core
temp and not fan inlet temp. Thanks again, bcwd
 
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Dusty Steenbock

bcwd said:
I put a used slot 1 type Pentium III 750 Mhz in a friends computer
because her processor fan died on her old one and this one said it was
packaged with a new fan and heat sink and ran a bit faster. The new
fan looks like it is running ok but checked the BIOS today and found
the CPU running at about 85 degrees C or 185 degrees F. Thought that
sounded a bit hot but I don't know what the recommended range is. Does
anybody know the recommended temperature for this CPU?
Thanks in advance, bcwd

This Is a slot one processor right? Check to make sure that the fan and
heatsink on It aren't packed full of dust.
 
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bcwd

It needs to be below 70 C when under load.

DaveW

I took the Processor/HSF apart and found it had a thermal pad (not
compound). I read the posts about pads versus paste and came to the
conclusion that there is so much polarity that either solution must be
fine. So, I removed the pad and put thermal compound on it. Brought
the temp down from 85 C to 49 C. It's only been running for about 3/4
hour so it may rise but the difference is really astounding.

Thanks for the help
 
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Paul

bcwd said:
I took the Processor/HSF apart and found it had a thermal pad (not
compound). I read the posts about pads versus paste and came to the
conclusion that there is so much polarity that either solution must be
fine. So, I removed the pad and put thermal compound on it. Brought
the temp down from 85 C to 49 C. It's only been running for about 3/4
hour so it may rise but the difference is really astounding.

Thanks for the help

In fact, the temperature could drop some more. Some paste products
take several days to reach their final consistency and distribution
of particles.

Paste and pads are intended to solve two different kinds of applications.
Pads are lower maintenance, in the sense that the person who specifies
them, did so on the assumption the processor would never need to be
removed. Paste, on the other hand, is a temporary solution (but the
temporary period can be measured in years).

Paste can pump out, or separate and dry out. When you use paste,
you, as the user of the computer, are responsible for monitoring
the temperature, and detecting when fresh paste should be reapplied.
So paste is not a "trouble free" solution. (I've used the same paste
for a couple of years, and the temps have only risen a couple
degrees under load.)

One nice thing about paste, is it doesn't need as much clamp pressure
to work well. Only a thin coating is required, and the intention is
not to build an "Oreo cookie". The paste is only displacing any air
present in the gap between the heatsink and the CPU. Too much paste,
only serves as an insulator, and the excess can ooze out and coat
surrounding socket contacts and components. To get the right paste
volume, you can put a grain of rice sized sample on the CPU, then
compress the heatsink onto it, and see how it spreads. That will give
some idea how much additional paste would be needed to fully coat
the top surface of the processor. You want a little bit more than
the minimum, so the edge between CPU and heatsink, is "wetted" with
paste when clamped with the final clamping force.

Pads come in a variety of thicknesses and compositions. Some pads
give miserable performance, others are better. But I would not expect
a pad to match thermal paste. Presumably the pad thickness selected,
is based on the expectations of how flat the two surfaces are. Precision
milled surfaces could use a pretty thin pad, and that could improve
the performance a bit. (Since a pad includes a layer of material
intended to give mechanical strength, that layer can never match
an equivalent thickness of paste, for performance.)

Paul
 
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Brooks Moses

bcwd said:
I took the Processor/HSF apart and found it had a thermal pad (not
compound). I read the posts about pads versus paste and came to the
conclusion that there is so much polarity that either solution must be
fine. So, I removed the pad and put thermal compound on it. Brought
the temp down from 85 C to 49 C. It's only been running for about 3/4
hour so it may rise but the difference is really astounding.

Sounds like not just a pad-vs-thermal-compound difference, but a pad
that wasn't clamped tight or got misaligned or something like that.

A year or so ago, I had some serious thermal problems (the CPU was
overheating and shutting down in two minutes), which turned out to be
because I'd bumped the heat sink and misaligned it. I can certainly
imagine getting something that was like that but not as bad, where it
was misaligned enough for the CPU to get just a bit overheated like
yours did.

- Brooks
 

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