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I'm starting to wonder if these noises ever came from the
computer then? A very quiet PC is not a problem to any sane
person.
It shouldn`t be heard to imagine that some people react differently to
sounds, than you do.
You are coming up with ridiculous remarks to try to justify your
narrow perspective.
Well then you`ll get them wrong
Perhaps, but sometimes people get misled as if going fanless
is some holy grail when nobody bothers to mention the
ridiculous amount of time, expense, then shorter lifespan.
Pretty much a silly thing to do to a computer without a real
legitimate need rather than just some recommendation from
someone else who has ran an EZ-Bake Oven PC for a few months
and determines that period is long enough to start
recommending it to others. Modern systems just create more
heat, or if choosing something with lower performance to get
less heat one might think about using an old system instead
of junking a new one by letting it overheat long term, AND
junking the old system they could've reused. One way is
cheap, easy, environmentally friendly. The other isn't.
Old systems were not fanless either.
If a person asks about a fanless computer, they don`t have to justify
to you or convince you that they have a need.
You just go ahead and ignore what they want and tell them about
systems with fans.
As you well know, fanless systems do not run like an oven like you
suggest. You yourself mentioned ULV processors.
You are blatantly saying that if they ask for a fanless system, they
don`t know what they talk about. And you completely ignore the
question.
If you answer it, then you answered the question.
If they don`t want a fanless system, and you answer the question, then
the question will at least be of use to others - and may be of
interest to them too.
And they can ask another question.
Ok, but practically any laptop has a power management
feature that allows setting speed and voltage. Right now
I'm on a laptop that does not have a ULV processor and the
fan is not runnning at all.
They are made to fill a marketing niche for those that don't
understand you can have:
1) At least one fan that will increase system lifespan by,
perhaps 300%
You think that if you add a fan to my old VIA EIPA system, it will
increase system lifespan by 300%? It runs very cool anyway. And it
has lasted for years.
You are saying that fanless power supplies are built for ignorant
consumers.
Like they are a gimmick..
This is ignorant prejudice nonsense.
2) No audible noise reaching the user.
What do you mean
"They are made to fill a marketing niche for those that don't
understand you can have: " "No audible noise
reaching the user"
I know what you`re getting at. You are thinking of a computer with a
fan. And YOU cannot hear the noise.
Of course there are mouse clicks, keyboard noise..
See, you never really gave computer noise any thought.
Of course, you cannot hear the noise from this machine you speak of..
A mythical machine. What Power supply does it have?
All the quiet fan power supplies I tried, around 2003-2004, were very
audible..
Do you have in mind some newly developed power supply with fan? I
doubt it.
Do you have in mind some DIY job, replacing the fan with one you deem
quiet. I would probably be able to hear it.
I know recently though, sflex fans have come out, that may be very
silent.
But I doubt you meant one of those..
It wouldn:t suprise me if you considered the quiet power supplies on
the market over the past few years, zalman and the rest, to be not
audible to the user. Do you?
There is one other good reason not to have a fan, if the
system is in an extremely hostile environment where
contaminants in the air would ruin it. Industrial settings
mostly, areas uninhabitable by people in plain clothes.
Is it really SO hard for you to imagine that some people have issues
with noise. Issues that you don`t have.
Do you know for example, that although most people when they close
their eyes and imagine something , they literally SEE the thing.
Whereas some people see nothing. Peoples` minds work differently,
they react differently to things.
Some people bruise very easily.. Some people get a headache from one
kind of music, other people love it.
Do you have any evidence they have ran 24/7 for years?
ask on a silent computer forum.
I did not use my one because the power supply card made a high pitched
noise.
I only got a noiseless power supply for it last year.
If
not we have no evidence they're reliable either. It's funny
how people see something on the market that's built to a low
price point like most of today's disposible consumer
products and assumes all the other products (with fans)
didn't have one for a good reason.
so now you assume fanless products are just cheap pieces of shit. And
people buying them are - idiots - again.
That reason is longevity. Granted, it's also necessitiated
by the higher current of a regular systems vs what one would
power with a Pico/etc minimalistic PSU board, but
realistically we aren't talking about what a typical person
wants.
if somebody says they want a fanless computer, then that fits the
criteria.
Don`t make assumptions about what they want.. Your assumptions and
prejudices are ridiculous
A few years ago a car PC seemed a novel idea to play
MP3s, and a low powered system running from a Pico/etc PSU
would do that, but today you can get a ready-built stereo
desk for a car that plays MP3, no need to DIY, and these low
powered motherboard/CPU combos can't reach the next plateau
which is high compression video playback so they're quickly
loosing their niche.
You crazily assume that fanless low power motherboard/cpu combos,
must be for Car PCs.
Somebody says they want a fanless machine. Options develop within that
framework.
What they are using it for or why they want it, is secondary. And they
can consider that when looking at their options.
Some want them because they are often small. They can fit in a draw!
Others want them because although they will be "telnetting" or VNCing
to a powerful terminal and working on that. And so they get
noiselessness, and get to do their demanding operations.
And others just like the noiselessness. The silence.
..
Even if the task didn't require more performance, one can't
just take a Pico/etc passive psu, an undersized board with
low power chipset, and toss that in a case and run it
passively either,
Again, you assume the person building the computer (a techie, or
somewhat of a techie), is an idiot.
Who "tosses" the "undersized" board in a case.
A friend of mine has my VIA EPIA running fanlessly.
How, you may wonder?
NO CASE.
And that is how I ran it when I ran it in a draw. I just opened the
draw.
Even some little 80mm at 400 RPM would
extend system life by multiple times, and I am eager to hear
of anyone who has used a low torque sleeve bearing fan at
400 RPM and felt the noise level was objectionable. Since
most people don't build their own systems, most wouldn't
even know such a fan exists in a system.
Of course it would extend the system life by multiple times. A SYSTEM
SHOULD NOT BE RUN IN A FANLESS CASE (as you mean it)!!!!! (unless it
is a specially designed case and cools some other way. But you don:t
mean that)..
You are just using rhetoric..
You are talking about a system that should never have been built like
that, and saying if you add this fan it will increase it multiple
times.
AGAIN, you just assume that the system without the fan was built by an
idiot that had no idea about temperature, did not monitor anything..
Anyhow, in answer to your question about the 400RPM fan. At the time
I was trying to get a noiseless system , it was almost impossible e.g.
power supplies. So I just used a KVM Extender.
I was so bothered with the CPU fan, and the PSU fan. I never reached
the point of just caring about the case fan..
..
And the fanless system I had , I did not run in a case. No point. If I
had then I could answer about the case fan..
I'll be looking at the links you