Partitioning

O

Old Guy

New to XP - came on my Dell.
I would like to partition my C: drive. I have (I think) a MSKB article
on partitioning using Disk Management. A few questions.
Using Disk Management, can I partition an existing drive - one that has
data on it - without losing my data?
Would I gain anything by buying and using Partition Magic?
 
W

Will Denny

Hi

You will better off using a 3rd part partitioning program - as you have
suggested - PM.

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Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
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| New to XP - came on my Dell.
| I would like to partition my C: drive. I have (I think) a MSKB
article
| on partitioning using Disk Management. A few questions.
| Using Disk Management, can I partition an existing drive - one that
has
| data on it - without losing my data?
| Would I gain anything by buying and using Partition Magic?
|
|
 
T

Tom

Using Disk Management, can I partition an existing drive - one that has
data on it - without losing my data?
Would I gain anything by buying and using Partition Magic?

You cannot do this without formatting the drive since it is the system
partition/drive from within Disk Management. DM can only do what you intend
on another partition that doesn't have the system on it. PT will do what you
wish, but you may want to consider the cost.

There is a wonderful utility from http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ called
BootIt Next Generation that does 99% of what PT can, at half the cost. It is
very easy to use, and it is a 30 day fully functional trial, $35 to purchase
afterwards. You'll see it listed on the top in the left column in the link I
gave here.
 
T

Tom

Will Denny said:
Hi

You will better off using a 3rd part partitioning program - as you have
suggested - PM.

MVP?

It is "not better off"! Using PT or another similar program, is the only
option, without formatting the drive and partitioning it! To put it as you
have, makes it seem as if Disk management can perform what he wishes.
 
M

Mike Powers

Before doing anything, did dell supply you with restore disks to
reinstall the system if necessary? If not is the a restore partition
 
W

Will Denny

|
| | > Hi
| >
| > You will better off using a 3rd part partitioning program - as you have
| > suggested - PM.
| >
|
| MVP?
|
| It is "not better off"! Using PT or another similar program, is the only
| option, without formatting the drive and partitioning it! To put it as you
| have, makes it seem as if Disk management can perform what he wishes.


WTF are you talking about? What is PT?
 
G

Gordon

nobody said:
Why do you want to partition the drive?

It's quite useful to have the OS and data on different partitions - then if
the OS goes belly up you just re-install in the OS partition without having
to worry about data.
 
R

R. C. White

Hi, Old Guy. (I'll be 69 tomorrow; is that old enough?)

Welcome to WinXP! I think you'll love it - after you shift from the
MS-DOS-based mindset. ;^}

While a lot of WinXP looks the same as Win9x/ME, there are major differences
under the hood. One of the big advances is Disk Management. It can handle
all the jobs that we used to do with FDISK and Format.com, plus it will
change drive letter assignments, which we did by using the Device Manager in
Win9x/ME. The Help file reached from Disk Management is worth exploring; it
explains a lot of hard drive mysteries.

One thing that hasn't changed, though, is that WinXP - just like Win9x/ME
and other operating systems - will not obey an order to "commit suicide" or
to saw off the limb it's sitting on. So, if you need to format drive C:,
you'll have to boot from something other than Drive C:. In Win9x/ME, we
used an MS-DOS boot floppy when we wanted to run FDISK or format C:. In
WinXP, we boot from the WinXP CD-ROM, which has the tools to create, delete
or format partitions on our HD, including Drive C:.

But nothing in WinXP's toolkit will shrink an existing partition. Since
your original Drive C: uses the whole hard drive (unless Dell has a hidden
partition?), you have just two ways to split it into multiple partitions:

1. Backup; repartition; reformat; restore, or

2. Use Partition Magic or another third-party utility.

If you choose the first method, you can use the tools on the WinXP CD-ROM to
do the repartitioning. But, as Mike Powers advised, be sure to check with
Dell about any quirks in the OEM version of WinXP on your computer.

RC
 
T

Tom

R. C. White said:
Hi, Old Guy. (I'll be 69 tomorrow; is that old enough?)

Welcome to WinXP! I think you'll love it - after you shift from the
MS-DOS-based mindset. ;^}

While a lot of WinXP looks the same as Win9x/ME, there are major
differences under the hood. One of the big advances is Disk Management.
It can handle
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzz
 
T

Tom

Dell doesn't use rerstore disks, or have a hidden partition for factory
reinstallation. They supply the the whole disk for installing/repairing XP.
 
T

Tom

Oh, my bad, but WTF were you talking about "better off" when that isn't even
a condition? Funny you ignored that part in your reply.
 
M

Miss Perspicacia Tick

Will said:
WTF are you talking about? What is PT?

In his case? Pretty Thick, Prize Troll, etc. I'm sure you can think of many
others.

Thomas - get your facts straight before mouthing off. Will did *NOT* "make
it seem as if disk management can perform what he wishes". Since when was
disk management "a third party program"?!

Thomas you are a moron of the highest order.

Now I suggest you apologise to Will.
 
O

Old Guy

Thanks top all for the replies. Obviously (to me), I will have to go
3rd-party.
Dell 'does nor recommend' partitioning and - no surprise - 'is not
responsible' if things go wrong. However, I have partitioned on my last 3
PCs with no problems.
I do have XP disks to reinstall - hate the thoughts of that!
I will give Bootit a look. I would prefer not to put >$50 in software I
will use one afternoon and never again.
 
T

Tom

Read it again bint!

Will stated to the OP, "You will be better off using PM". The OP ask if DM
can do what he partitioning on the system drive/partition. So deary, what
does better off suggest, other than that it may be done in DM, but PM just
does it better? No apologies needed. Will should have stated without pause
that DM cannot do such a thing, and that ONLY a 3rd party utility can, as I
suggested.

Why don't you go off and pirate some software, and use your apps that you
really have no use for, as I have read recently where others say you do
this.
 
W

Will Denny

Hi

I believe that partitioning is better left to a 3rd party program. No other
comment on any other part of the OP would have been relevant. However - I
don't think that DM is useful enough to be used as a partitioning app.

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Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


| Oh, my bad, but WTF were you talking about "better off" when that isn't
even
| a condition? Funny you ignored that part in your reply.
|
| | > | > |
| > | | > | > Hi
| > | >
| > | > You will better off using a 3rd part partitioning program - as you
| > have
| > | > suggested - PM.
| > | >
| > |
| > | MVP?
| > |
| > | It is "not better off"! Using PT or another similar program, is the
| > only
| > | option, without formatting the drive and partitioning it! To put it as
| > you
| > | have, makes it seem as if Disk management can perform what he wishes.
| >
| >
| > WTF are you talking about? What is PT?
| >
| > --
| >
| > Will Denny
| > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > Please reply to the News Groups
| >
|
|
 
W

Will Denny

Do you still want some printer ink? Please let me know.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


| Will Denny wrote:
| > | >>
| >> | >>> Hi
| >>>
| >>> You will better off using a 3rd part partitioning program - as you
| >>> have suggested - PM.
| >>>
| >>
| >> MVP?
| >>
| >> It is "not better off"! Using PT or another similar program, is the
| >> only option, without formatting the drive and partitioning it! To
| >> put it as you have, makes it seem as if Disk management can perform
| >> what he wishes.
| >
| >
| > WTF are you talking about? What is PT?
|
| In his case? Pretty Thick, Prize Troll, etc. I'm sure you can think of
many
| others.
|
| Thomas - get your facts straight before mouthing off. Will did *NOT* "make
| it seem as if disk management can perform what he wishes". Since when was
| disk management "a third party program"?!
|
| Thomas you are a moron of the highest order.
|
| Now I suggest you apologise to Will.
|
|
|
 
W

Will Denny

Criticisms are OK - in the right place. Abject criticisms are frowned
upon!!

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


| Read it again bint!
|
| Will stated to the OP, "You will be better off using PM". The OP ask if DM
| can do what he partitioning on the system drive/partition. So deary, what
| does better off suggest, other than that it may be done in DM, but PM just
| does it better? No apologies needed. Will should have stated without pause
| that DM cannot do such a thing, and that ONLY a 3rd party utility can, as
I
| suggested.
|
| Why don't you go off and pirate some software, and use your apps that you
| really have no use for, as I have read recently where others say you do
| this.
|
|
|
| | > Will Denny wrote:
| >> | >>>
| >>> | >>>> Hi
| >>>>
| >>>> You will better off using a 3rd part partitioning program - as you
| >>>> have suggested - PM.
| >>>>
| >>>
| >>> MVP?
| >>>
| >>> It is "not better off"! Using PT or another similar program, is the
| >>> only option, without formatting the drive and partitioning it! To
| >>> put it as you have, makes it seem as if Disk management can perform
| >>> what he wishes.
| >>
| >>
| >> WTF are you talking about? What is PT?
| >
| > In his case? Pretty Thick, Prize Troll, etc. I'm sure you can think of
| > many
| > others.
| >
| > Thomas - get your facts straight before mouthing off. Will did *NOT*
"make
| > it seem as if disk management can perform what he wishes". Since when
was
| > disk management "a third party program"?!
| >
| > Thomas you are a moron of the highest order.
| >
| > Now I suggest you apologise to Will.
| >
| >
| >
|
|
 
W

Will Denny

Hi

I, personally don't use BooItNG, but from a very reliable source, it works
very well. Any problems, please post back.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


| Thanks top all for the replies. Obviously (to me), I will have to go
| 3rd-party.
| Dell 'does nor recommend' partitioning and - no surprise - 'is not
| responsible' if things go wrong. However, I have partitioned on my last 3
| PCs with no problems.
| I do have XP disks to reinstall - hate the thoughts of that!
| I will give Bootit a look. I would prefer not to put >$50 in software I
| will use one afternoon and never again.
|
|
| | > Hi
| >
| > You will better off using a 3rd part partitioning program - as you have
| > suggested - PM.
| >
| > --
| >
| > Will Denny
| > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > Please reply to the News Groups
| >
| >
| > | > | New to XP - came on my Dell.
| > | I would like to partition my C: drive. I have (I think) a MSKB
| > article
| > | on partitioning using Disk Management. A few questions.
| > | Using Disk Management, can I partition an existing drive - one
that
| > has
| > | data on it - without losing my data?
| > | Would I gain anything by buying and using Partition Magic?
| > |
| > |
| >
|
|
|
|
 
M

Miss Perspicacia Tick

Will said:
Criticisms are OK - in the right place. Abject criticisms are frowned
upon!!

Yep - you've confirmed it. How was the lobotomy? They didn't do their job
well enough obviously as they've left you with enough mental capacity to
operate a keyboard.

You've buggered up your entire argument in your first sentence! PM =
Partition Magic a third party partitioning tool from PowerQuest.

Why don't you go off and shag another dog as I've heard recently that you
do.

I'm not going to argue with you re whether I pirate software or not - that's
the problem of arguing with the chronically stupid, they drag you down to
their level then beat you with experience.

And as for having apps I have no use for, that is true. I have Excel
installed but I never use it - my father does. Everything else, I use
practically every day. I'd show you some of my work, but you don't have the
mental capacity to appreciate it.
 

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