pagefile error

[mikedepetris]

After a lot of searching I found only partial solutions to my
pagefile.sys error.
Something is broken in the ntfs and chkdisk does not detect it, the
file is there but can't be seen deleted renamed modified.

Only solution is tell xp that the name is different "pagefile.sos" in
PagingFiles key of the registry

Details on http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/t1040090780

please help! at least suggest a good disk doctor

 

[Bob I]

Have you run the manufacturers drive diagnostic utility yet? Get it at
the drive manufacturers web site.

 

[mikedepetris]

Bob I ha scritto:

Have you run the manufacturers drive diagnostic utility yet? Get it at
the drive manufacturers web site.

yes of course, but that detects and repairs disk errors, without
concerns about the logical data on it, I mean something is screwed in
the ntfs that chkdsk can't detect nor repair

 

[Bob I]

Bob I ha scritto:



yes of course, but that detects and repairs disk errors, without
concerns about the logical data on it, I mean something is screwed in
the ntfs that chkdsk can't detect nor repair

Have you made the pagefile real small and then tried it?

 

[Gerry Cornell]

Mike

What exactly is the error message?

Please post copies of the Warning / Error Reports as they appear in
the System Log of Event Viewer for a single session. No Information
reports please.

You can access Event Viewer by selecting Start, Control Panel,
Administrative Tools, and Event Viewer. When researching the meaning
of the error, information regarding Event ID, Source and Description
are important.

HOW TO: View and Manage Event Logs in Event Viewer in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308427/en-us

Part of the Description of the error will include a link, which you
should double click for further information. You can copy using copy
and paste. Often the link will, however, say there is no further
information.
http://go.microsoft.com/fw.link/events.asp
(Please note the hyperlink above is for illustration purposes only)

A tip for posting copies of Error Reports! Run Event Viewer and double
click on the error you want to copy. In the window, which appears is a
button resembling two pages. Click the button and close Event Viewer.
Now start your message (email) and do a paste into the body of the
message. This will paste the info from the Event Viewer Error Report.
Make sure this is the first paste after exiting from Event Viewer.


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Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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[mikedepetris]

Gerry Cornell ha scritto:

What exactly is the error message?

I do not find errors in the event log, at logon I get an alert saying
the pagefile cannot be found or is too small, then accessing the
Performans Options dialog I get another alert saying " Windows created
a temporary paging file on your computer because of a problem occoured
with your paging file configuration when you started your computer. The
total paging file size for all disk drives may be somewhat larger then
the size you specidied.

 

[Gerry Cornell]

Mike

How many drives / partitions do you have? How large are the pagefiles
on each drive / partition? Do you have a pagefile on your system drive
/ partition?


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Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[mikedepetris]

Gerry Cornell ha scritto:

How many drives / partitions do you have? How large are the pagefiles
on each drive / partition? Do you have a pagefile on your system drive
/ partition?

It's a 200GB drive with a single C: partition
I tryed different sized pagefile from 2MB to 1024 to "system managed"

I get no error only if I make it work with a different name in the
registry (pagefile.sos) or put it to zero (no paging file)

why don't you trust me the ntfs is damaged? have you read the thread I
gave a link to? I connected the drived as a second drive of another pc
and gives the same problem if I try to create the paging file on it,
again I can't see listed.

Notice tools like perfectdisk identify file ID "15" associated to
c:\pagefile.sys that doe not exist

 

[Ron Martell]

Bob I ha scritto:

yes of course, but that detects and repairs disk errors, without
concerns about the logical data on it, I mean something is screwed in
the ntfs that chkdsk can't detect nor repair

Solving problems of this kind often comes down to a process of
elimination, starting with a list of every possibility. When you get
to the point where there is only one possible cause left then that has
to be the culprit. So the manufacturer's hardware diagnostic test
should be an integral part of solving any hard drive related problem.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."

 

[mikedepetris]

Ron Martell ha scritto:

Solving problems of this kind often comes down to a process of
elimination, starting with a list of every possibility. When you get
to the point where there is only one possible cause left then that has
to be the culprit. So the manufacturer's hardware diagnostic test
should be an integral part of solving any hard drive related problem.

I do not understand what is your suggestion, are you saying "you have
done all that can be done, there is no solution ?"

 

[Ron Martell]

I do not understand what is your suggestion, are you saying "you have
done all that can be done, there is no solution ?"

You seemed to be trivializing the possibility of a hardware problem
with the hard drive itself and therefore sort of shrugged off the
suggestions about running the drive manufacturer's diagnostics.

The "something is screwed in the ntfs that chkdsk can't detect nor
repair" could in fact be a hardware level problem with the drive.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."

 

[mikedepetris]

Ron Martell ha scritto:

You seemed to be trivializing the possibility of a hardware problem
with the hard drive itself and therefore sort of shrugged off the
suggestions about running the drive manufacturer's diagnostics.

The "something is screwed in the ntfs that chkdsk can't detect nor
repair" could in fact be a hardware level problem with the drive.

Running the drive manufacturer's diagnostics is the first step I took
after realizing the disk had problems, so what can be done to repair
the file system and get a normal pagefile.sys now?

 

[Ron Martell]

Ron Martell ha scritto:

Running the drive manufacturer's diagnostics is the first step I took
after realizing the disk had problems, so what can be done to repair
the file system and get a normal pagefile.sys now?

Time to go back to the basics I guess.

Problems with hard drives fall into one of two different categories -
problems with the data structure on the drive, or problems with the
drive itself.

CHKDSK is the designated tool for detecting and fixing problems with
the data structure so we have to accept the results that it gives.

The factory diagnostics have not detected any hardware problems with
the drive itself.

So what is left? Possibly a hardware level problem that is not being
detected by the factory diagnostics such as a data sector or sectors
that are only marginally readable? If you think that this is a valid
possibility then the best tool that I know of for detecting and fixing
these specific types of problems is Spinrite from Gibson Research
(www.grc.com). However the cost of the software is probably quite
close to the cost of a new hard drive and also running a full analysis
on a large hard drive can be quite time consuming (overnight may not
be long enough).

Hope this is of some assistance.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."

 

[mikedepetris]

Ron Martell ha scritto:

....


CHKDSK is the designated tool for detecting and fixing problems with
the data structure so we have to accept the results that it gives.

The factory diagnostics have not detected any hardware problems with
the drive itself.

NOT TRUE
sectors were found BAD and the disk repaired, then logical problems
were repaired by CHKDSK, now I still have the pagefile.sys problem even
if no more errors are detected.


It is clear from my experience and other experiences reported that
there is a logical disk error that chkdsk is not detecting, I thank you
for the the link to the diagnostic tool, will go on searching for a
good tool.

 

[Ron Martell]

NOT TRUE
sectors were found BAD and the disk repaired, then logical problems
were repaired by CHKDSK, now I still have the pagefile.sys problem even
if no more errors are detected.

News to me. You never previously mentioned anything about this. Did
you run the factory diagnostics again after the bad sector repair?

p.s. modern IDE drives come with built-in spare sectors and if the
drive firmware detects a problem with a sector it immediately does a
"hot swap" to replace the bad sector with one of the spares.

The fact that diagnostics detects bad sectors in use indicates that
supply of spare sectors has been exhausted. At this point I would be
inclined to run, not walk, to the closest computer shop to get a
replacement drive.

It is clear from my experience and other experiences reported that
there is a logical disk error that chkdsk is not detecting, I thank you
for the the link to the diagnostic tool, will go on searching for a
good tool.

Good luck. I still think it is hardware related.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."