Outlook 2007 New e-mail dialog, B2->B2TR GUI changes

[Guest]

Outlook 2007 New e-mail dialog had "Send" and "Account" buttons in Ribbon
style, and after instaling B2TR they are just standard WinXP buttons which
seems so out-of-place... Also, "Account" button was moved from Ribbon (what
seemed a completely natural location) under "Send" button (weird; maybe
useful for only-keyboard usage, but looks so not-2007 ).

Is there some reason for this "rollback" and could this be made like in B2
for RTM?

Thanks!



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[Patrick Schmid]

This change was made so that the send and account buttons would always
be available to users, no matter which tab was in the foreground. The
alternative for MS was to replicate those two buttons on every single
tab.
There is no way to change this back and I am pretty sure it will stay
this way for RTM. It is just going to take some time to get used to (I
am still not used to it either).

Patrick Schmid

 

[Roady [MVP]]

There was a user-desire that these buttons were always available no matter
what tab of the Ribbon they were using.

Note that this is not the method of delivering feedback to Office 2007 BETA.
Use the Send a Smile tool for that;
http://sas.office.microsoft.com/

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


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Outlook 2007 New e-mail dialog had "Send" and "Account" buttons in Ribbon
style, and after instaling B2TR they are just standard WinXP buttons which
seems so out-of-place... Also, "Account" button was moved from Ribbon (what
seemed a completely natural location) under "Send" button (weird; maybe
useful for only-keyboard usage, but looks so not-2007 ).

Is there some reason for this "rollback" and could this be made like in B2
for RTM?

Thanks!

 

[Roady [MVP]]

It's a retro Exchange Client style. I think it's kinda cool when you look at
it like that ;-)

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


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This change was made so that the send and account buttons would always
be available to users, no matter which tab was in the foreground. The
alternative for MS was to replicate those two buttons on every single
tab.
There is no way to change this back and I am pretty sure it will stay
this way for RTM. It is just going to take some time to get used to (I
am still not used to it either).

Patrick Schmid

 

[Nocturnal]

I actually prefer this way. I disliked having to change back to the send
ribbon after attaching a file and trying to hit send but wasn't able to
since obviously you have to go back to the "send" ribbon first.

 

[Hurricane Andrew]

In the day an a half I've been using B2TR, I must have "pasted" half a dozen
or more times when I meant to send! I definitely preferred the original B2
style.

 

[Guest]

I'll reply the proper way was well but I want to say it here too. The
buttons are great in location and horrid in look. You can;t have Win XP
looking buttons with old Access style graphics screwing up the entire flow of
the screen like that.

Please, leave the buttons, change the way they look.

Jesse

 

[Roady [MVP]]

Yep, this is mainly because you are not used to seeing a button of this
size. Additionally the look of the button depend on your theme settings.
When you are running the Energy Blue Theme in Windows XP MCE or Tablet PC
Edition it indeed looks quite bad :-S

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
I'll reply the proper way was well but I want to say it here too. The
buttons are great in location and horrid in look. You can;t have Win XP
looking buttons with old Access style graphics screwing up the entire flow
of
the screen like that.

Please, leave the buttons, change the way they look.

Jesse

 

[P Cause]

I like the buttons being always available but WHY does Microsoft insist on
making buttons SOOO big. We had the window control buttons on XP get too
big (fixed in Vista). Ribbon is too big. Now they fix a problem and but
the send button where it is always available (thanks for that) but make it
too big!

<DIV>&quot;Roady [MVP]&quot;
&lt;newsgroups_DELETE_@_DELETE_sparnaaij_NO_._SPAM_net&gt; wrote in message

size. Additionally the look of the button depend on your theme settings.
When you are running the Energy Blue Theme in Windows XP MCE or Tablet PC
Edition it indeed looks quite bad :-S

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
I'll reply the proper way was well but I want to say it here too. The
buttons are great in location and horrid in look. You can;t have Win XP
looking buttons with old Access style graphics screwing up the entire flow
of
the screen like that.

Please, leave the buttons, change the way they look.

Jesse

There was a user-desire that these buttons were always available no
matter
what tab of the Ribbon they were using.

Note that this is not the method of delivering feedback to Office 2007
BETA.
Use the Send a Smile tool for that;
http://sas.office.microsoft.com/

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Outlook 2007 New e-mail dialog had "Send" and "Account" buttons in Ribbon
style, and after instaling B2TR they are just standard WinXP buttons
which
seems so out-of-place... Also, "Account" button was moved from Ribbon
(what
seemed a completely natural location) under "Send" button (weird; maybe
useful for only-keyboard usage, but looks so not-2007 ).

Is there some reason for this "rollback" and could this be made like in
B2
for RTM?

Thanks!

 

[Patrick Schmid]

You can minimize the ribbon by double-clicking a tab. You can then use
the ribbon in minimized form (single click a tab and it just hovers over
the window until you pick something from it). To put it back up,
double-click a tab.
CTRL-F1 also toggles the ribbon minimized.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

I like the buttons being always available but WHY does Microsoft insist on
making buttons SOOO big. We had the window control buttons on XP get too
big (fixed in Vista). Ribbon is too big. Now they fix a problem and but
the send button where it is always available (thanks for that) but make it
too big!

<DIV>&quot;Roady [MVP]&quot;
&lt;newsgroups_DELETE_@_DELETE_sparnaaij_NO_._SPAM_net&gt; wrote in message

size. Additionally the look of the button depend on your theme settings.
When you are running the Energy Blue Theme in Windows XP MCE or Tablet PC
Edition it indeed looks quite bad :-S

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
I'll reply the proper way was well but I want to say it here too. The
buttons are great in location and horrid in look. You can;t have Win XP
looking buttons with old Access style graphics screwing up the entire flow
of
the screen like that.

Please, leave the buttons, change the way they look.

Jesse

There was a user-desire that these buttons were always available no
matter
what tab of the Ribbon they were using.

Note that this is not the method of delivering feedback to Office 2007
BETA.
Use the Send a Smile tool for that;
http://sas.office.microsoft.com/

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Outlook 2007 New e-mail dialog had "Send" and "Account" buttons in Ribbon
style, and after instaling B2TR they are just standard WinXP buttons
which
seems so out-of-place... Also, "Account" button was moved from Ribbon
(what
seemed a completely natural location) under "Send" button (weird; maybe
useful for only-keyboard usage, but looks so not-2007 ).

Is there some reason for this "rollback" and could this be made like in
B2
for RTM?

Thanks!

 

[Guest]

Patrick, thanks. I know I can minimize the ribbon, but I didn't want that.
WHat I really wanted was to make it smaller - kind of zoom to 80% or 75% of
the space it takes up.

I'm am GLAD they put the send button always available, but think they made
it too large.

It is too bad that they didn't adopt this idea in other parts of OL. For
example, I always want "Save and CLose" available for a contact or
appointment. I can get this by customizing the quick access stuff, but it
should have been designed to always be available. Also, on the quick access
bar, why would "save" be a default icon when you almost NEVER want save and
almost always want save and close.

Looks like they just picked some defaults to be common to all quick access
displays instead of thinking through what functions folks would likely use a
lot, as they tried to do with the ribbon.

You can minimize the ribbon by double-clicking a tab. You can then use
the ribbon in minimized form (single click a tab and it just hovers over
the window until you pick something from it). To put it back up,
double-click a tab.
CTRL-F1 also toggles the ribbon minimized.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

I like the buttons being always available but WHY does Microsoft insist on
making buttons SOOO big. We had the window control buttons on XP get too
big (fixed in Vista). Ribbon is too big. Now they fix a problem and but
the send button where it is always available (thanks for that) but make it
too big!

<DIV>"Roady [MVP]"

size. Additionally the look of the button depend on your theme settings.
When you are running the Energy Blue Theme in Windows XP MCE or Tablet PC
Edition it indeed looks quite bad :-S

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
I'll reply the proper way was well but I want to say it here too. The
buttons are great in location and horrid in look. You can;t have Win XP
looking buttons with old Access style graphics screwing up the entire flow
of
the screen like that.

Please, leave the buttons, change the way they look.

Jesse

:

There was a user-desire that these buttons were always available no
matter
what tab of the Ribbon they were using.

Note that this is not the method of delivering feedback to Office 2007
BETA.
Use the Send a Smile tool for that;
http://sas.office.microsoft.com/

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Outlook 2007 New e-mail dialog had "Send" and "Account" buttons in Ribbon
style, and after instaling B2TR they are just standard WinXP buttons
which
seems so out-of-place... Also, "Account" button was moved from Ribbon
(what
seemed a completely natural location) under "Send" button (weird; maybe
useful for only-keyboard usage, but looks so not-2007 ).

Is there some reason for this "rollback" and could this be made like in
B2
for RTM?

Thanks!

 

[Patrick Schmid]

There is no way to make the ribbon smaller. It has a fixed size.
You should get the send-a-smile tool (google the term) and submit your
feedback about the save&close and save issue with that directly to the
MS beta team.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

Patrick, thanks. I know I can minimize the ribbon, but I didn't want that.
WHat I really wanted was to make it smaller - kind of zoom to 80% or 75% of
the space it takes up.

I'm am GLAD they put the send button always available, but think they made
it too large.

It is too bad that they didn't adopt this idea in other parts of OL. For
example, I always want "Save and CLose" available for a contact or
appointment. I can get this by customizing the quick access stuff, but it
should have been designed to always be available. Also, on the quick access
bar, why would "save" be a default icon when you almost NEVER want save and
almost always want save and close.

Looks like they just picked some defaults to be common to all quick access
displays instead of thinking through what functions folks would likely use a
lot, as they tried to do with the ribbon.

You can minimize the ribbon by double-clicking a tab. You can then use
the ribbon in minimized form (single click a tab and it just hovers over
the window until you pick something from it). To put it back up,
double-click a tab.
CTRL-F1 also toggles the ribbon minimized.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

I like the buttons being always available but WHY does Microsoft insist on
making buttons SOOO big. We had the window control buttons on XP get too
big (fixed in Vista). Ribbon is too big. Now they fix a problem and but
the send button where it is always available (thanks for that) but make it
too big!

<DIV>"Roady [MVP]"
Yep, this is mainly
because you are not used to seeing a button of this
size. Additionally the look of the button depend on your theme settings.
When you are running the Energy Blue Theme in Windows XP MCE or Tablet PC
Edition it indeed looks quite bad :-S

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
I'll reply the proper way was well but I want to say it here too. The
buttons are great in location and horrid in look. You can;t have Win XP
looking buttons with old Access style graphics screwing up the entire flow
of
the screen like that.

Please, leave the buttons, change the way they look.

Jesse

:

There was a user-desire that these buttons were always available no
matter
what tab of the Ribbon they were using.

Note that this is not the method of delivering feedback to Office 2007
BETA.
Use the Send a Smile tool for that;
http://sas.office.microsoft.com/

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Outlook 2007 New e-mail dialog had "Send" and "Account" buttons in Ribbon
style, and after instaling B2TR they are just standard WinXP buttons
which
seems so out-of-place... Also, "Account" button was moved from Ribbon
(what
seemed a completely natural location) under "Send" button (weird; maybe
useful for only-keyboard usage, but looks so not-2007 ).

Is there some reason for this "rollback" and could this be made like in
B2
for RTM?

Thanks!