OT Somewhat; bottom vs. top posting

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Sweet Andy Licious

Here at work I have to use OE for news. I have my sig set up to add itself
on both new and replies to posts. Works ok, of course, on new, but on
replies I have to cut it and paste it at the bottom for bottom posting. At
home, I have the same OE 6.0 set up the same way, but on replies it
magically goes to the bottom like a nice boy.

Wonder what the difference is. I use OE 6 in both places, but at work I have
Win 2000 and at home XP Home.

hmmmm!
Curious.
 
B

Blinky the Shark

Sweet said:
Here at work I have to use OE for news. I have my sig set up to add
itself on both new and replies to posts. Works ok, of course, on new,
but on replies I have to cut it and paste it at the bottom for bottom
posting. At home, I have the same OE 6.0 set up the same way, but on
replies it magically goes to the bottom like a nice boy.
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Wonder what the difference is. I use OE 6 in both places, but at work
I have Win 2000 and at home XP Home.
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Wherever you posted that from, the sig is not valid, anyway. A valid
sig delimiter is two hyphens *followed by a space*. That
non-sig-delimiter consists of only the two hyphens.
 
B

Brian Tillman

Wherever you posted that from, the sig is not valid, anyway. A valid
sig delimiter is two hyphens *followed by a space*. That
non-sig-delimiter consists of only the two hyphens.
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Please post the number of the RFC that requires a space after the hyphens,
or even that hyphens should be used at all.

Brian Tillman Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com
Smiths Aerospace Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.
3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "."
Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991
This opinion doesn't represent that of my company
 
B

Blinky the Shark

Brian said:
Please post the number of the RFC that requires a space after the hyphens,
or even that hyphens should be used at all.
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son-of-1036
 
Y

YK

Brian said:
Please post the number of the RFC that requires a space after the
hyphens, or even that hyphens should be used at all.
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http://www.ohse.de/uwe/rfc/son-of-1036.html#4.3.2
"If a poster or posting agent does append a signature to an article, the
signature SHOULD be preceded with a delimiter line containing (only) two
hyphens (ASCII 45) followed by one blank (ASCII 32). Posting agents SHOULD
limit the length of signatures, since verbose excess bordering on abuse is
common if no restraint is imposed; 4 lines is a common limit."

Notice the 4 line limit as well.
 
B

Blinky the Shark

On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:12:14 -0400, "Brian Tillman"
<[email protected]> took a very strange color crayon and
scribbled:
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RFC 2646
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Section 4.3. Usenet Signature Convention
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There is a convention in Usenet news of using "-- " as the separator
line between the body and the signature of a message. When generating
a Format=Flowed message containing a Usenet-style separator before the
signature, the separator line is sent as-is. This is a special case;
an (optionally quoted) line consisting of DASH DASH SP is not
considered flowed.
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http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2646.html
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Noted. Thanks. I supplied son-of-1036. (Sec. 4.3.2)

He's using OE, so probalby wouldn't understand the "(optionally quoted)"
part.
 
B

Brian Tillman

son-of-1036

Ah, but Son-of-1036 is not an RFC and so carries no weight. In fact,
son-of-1036 has long since been superceded by an Internet Draft by Charles
Lindsey in 2001 and again in June of 2003. Granted that Draft states the
convention that you espouse, but as yet, the Draft is not an RFC and so
carries no weight. In fact, to quote from the Draft itself:

"It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite
them other than as 'work in progress.'"

Thus, there is no standard as yet for the form of a usenet news signature.
Everyone is still free to format their signatures however they wish.
****
Brian Tillman Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com
Smiths Aerospace Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.
3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "."
Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991
This opinion doesn't represent that of my company
 
S

Semolina Pilchard

Ah, but Son-of-1036 is not an RFC and so carries no weight. In fact,
son-of-1036 has long since been superceded by an Internet Draft by Charles
Lindsey in 2001 and again in June of 2003. Granted that Draft states the
convention that you espouse, but as yet, the Draft is not an RFC and so
carries no weight. In fact, to quote from the Draft itself:
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It would be interesting to hear what the latest draft actually says,
seeing you have so selflessly sought it out. Would you care to post
it?
Thus, there is no standard as yet for the form of a usenet news signature.
Everyone is still free to format their signatures however they wish.
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Indeed. And even if the draft becomes an RFC, they will still be free
to sign as they choose. There's absolutely no way of stopping them.

One would have thought that commonsense would have prevailed, so that
everyone would be well-served and could reply without tidying up the
previous poster's signature. Actually, the reverse is true.
Correctly formatted sigs are vanishingly rare, throughout usenet. As
with top-posting, it looks like we have to settle for the lowest
common denominator. And that's really, really low.
 
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=

It would be interesting to hear what the latest draft actually says,
seeing you have so selflessly sought it out. Would you care to post
it?
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The UseFor docs are at <http://www.landfield.com/usefor/>.

The latest one that covers the sig convention is
<http://www.landfield.com/usefor/drafts/draft-ietf-usefor-article-10.unpaged>.
See section 4.3.2.

While I'm at it, the fact that there is a well-established convention
for the sig delimiter is enshrined in an actual RFC; it's in section
4.3 of RFC 2646.
 
D

Duddits

Well, it carries more weight than your opinion.
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Just kill file top posters ;-o


--
Top-Posting? Replying in the subject line? Don't know what a non-
proportional font means? These are just some of the signs that you might
be suffering from Neoteric Usenetitis. A curable problem if treatment is
sought after quickly. You don't have to be NU, help can be found here...

http://www.plig.net/nnq/
 
L

longshotjohn7

Duddits said:
Just kill file top posters ;-o
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Kinda Tribal aintchee? No? Well if ya were I would tell ya to get off your
high-camel because you could miss something neato if you were Tribal.

justmy2cents

(;o)

--
longshotjohn 7

http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/hot2trot


The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but
because of those who look on and do nothing. --Albert Einstein
 
L

Lance M Hillier, Sr

longshotjohn7 said:
<snipped>
Kinda Tribal aintchee? No? Well if ya were I would tell ya to get off your
high-camel because you could miss something neato if you were Tribal.

justmy2cents

(;o)
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Wonder if anyone could be so kind as to let me know how to alter IE 6.0 to
bottom post . . .
It's getting tiresome to manually cut and paste
Thanks in advance
 
Y

YK

longshotjohn7 said:
thats the site I used. Can the emoticons be configured in other
ways/colors? If so, how?
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I guess you would have to modify the icons to the colors you like in the
icon subdirectory.
C:\Program Files\OE-QuoteFix\emoticons
 

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