Opera Browser

[Walter Schiessberg]

Bart Bailey wrote on 17.07.2004 20:44:

In Message-ID:<[email protected]> posted on Sat,
17 Jul 2004 06:16:44 -0400, Janus wrote: Begin [...]

There's one anti-Opera site that I know of whose designer's head is so
firmly cross-threaded up his ass that you get an admonishment if you
access it with Opera. Easy enough to dither the user agent your browser
reports, and the site works just fine with Opera.
http://www.nytimages.com/
It works with OB1 too, so it's not the lack of IE, but rather the report
of Opera that pisses in their cereal.

Even if you change the user agent in Opera, it still contains the string
"Opera". Like "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT
5.1) Opera 7.0 [en]"
This website greps explicitly for the string [Oo]pera so you have no
chance visiting it with Opera at all.
You can try this with wget --user-agent="opera" http://www.nytimtme.com
If you change "opera" to "pera" the page will load normally.

I wonder what the reason for this may be...

Walter

 

[Bart Bailey]

Bart Bailey wrote on 17.07.2004 20:44:

In Message-ID:<[email protected]> posted on Sat,
17 Jul 2004 06:16:44 -0400, Janus wrote: Begin [...]

There's one anti-Opera site that I know of whose designer's head is so
firmly cross-threaded up his ass that you get an admonishment if you
access it with Opera. Easy enough to dither the user agent your browser
reports, and the site works just fine with Opera.
http://www.nytimages.com/
It works with OB1 too, so it's not the lack of IE, but rather the report
of Opera that pisses in their cereal.

Even if you change the user agent in Opera,

I didn't change it in Opera, I used Proxomitron.

it still contains the string
"Opera". Like "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT
5.1) Opera 7.0 [en]"

My user agent in Opera reports "?/?"
In OB1 it reports "UnFuckingKnown"

This website greps explicitly for the string [Oo]pera so you have no
chance visiting it with Opera at all.
You can try this with wget --user-agent="opera" http://www.nytimtme.com
If you change "opera" to "pera" the page will load normally.

I wonder what the reason for this may be...

The webmaster has his head cross-threaded up his ass.

 

[NormanM]

Yep - just try playing an MS Zone game on Netscape!

I expect that the MS Zone games are heavily dependent on running
"DestruciveX"; something that no browser other than MSIE uses. It is a
proprietary scripting language, and MS wouldn't let any other browser use
it, even if they did want to use it. Proprietary MS sites will, naturally,
be tuned to MSIE.

There are three ways to surf the Internet; the right way, the wrong way, and
the Microsoft way.

 

[Jay T. Blocksom]

[snip]

Then the authors of those web sites are by definition either incompetent or
malicious (or both). Either way, the sites in question are by definition not
worth visiting -- and *certainly* not worth risking the health of your entire
system.
[snip]

Hear, hear.

But the main one of course is Windows Update.

[snip]

Wrong. The Windows Update *web*site* works as well as needed w/o MSIE
installed on the system. This is not to be confused with the
ActiveVirus-dependant "Windows Update" function built into MSIE; but then,
without MSIE, you don't *need* 99% of that stuff.

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[Jay T. Blocksom]

Not true, if you use Windows.

Yes, TRUE.

First, all the truly needed patches and updates are available from MS's
general-audience website. Second, there's always
<http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/cd/order.asp>.

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[Jay T. Blocksom]

Bart Bailey wrote on 17.07.2004 20:44:
[snip]

There's one anti-Opera site that I know of whose designer's head is so
firmly cross-threaded up his ass that you get an admonishment if you
access it with Opera. Easy enough to dither the user agent your browser
reports, and the site works just fine with Opera.
http://www.nytimages.com/
It works with OB1 too, so it's not the lack of IE, but rather the report
of Opera that pisses in their cereal.

Even if you change the user agent in Opera, it still contains the string
"Opera". Like "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT
5.1) Opera 7.0 [en]"
This website greps explicitly for the string [Oo]pera so you have no
chance visiting it with Opera at all.

[snip]

Funny... I just did.

You can try this with wget --user-agent="opera" http://www.nytimtme.com
If you change "opera" to "pera" the page will load normally.

I wonder what the reason for this may be...

[snip]

The "webmaster" is an idiot?

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Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
Appropriate Technology, Inc.
usenet01[at]appropriate-tech.net

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
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Unsolicited advertising sent to this domain is expressly prohibited under
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[Shane]

Yes, TRUE.

First, all the truly needed patches and updates are available from MS's
general-audience website. Second, there's always
<http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/cd/order.asp>.

Obviously you know the cd is approaching one year out of date - though it is
dead handy for OS setups.

Otherwise there are some updates - usually, for some reason, for WinME -
only available via Windows Update (though once there you can force a
save-to-disk rather than a web-based installation, in the process getting
the url for the file in MS's cabpool enabling the bypassing WU in the
future, but you won't find such downloads at Technet or the Download
Centre).

Shane

 

[Shane]

[snip]

Then the authors of those web sites are by definition either incompetent
or
malicious (or both). Either way, the sites in question are by definition
not
worth visiting -- and *certainly* not worth risking the health of your
entire
system.

Only *by definition* in your own mind.

[snip]

Hear, hear.

But the main one of course is Windows Update.

[snip]

Wrong. The Windows Update *web*site* works as well as needed w/o MSIE
installed on the system. This is not to be confused with the
ActiveVirus-dependant "Windows Update" function built into MSIE; but then,
without MSIE, you don't *need* 99% of that stuff.

Funny, I couldn't get to WU using Firefox a few days ago. Just defaults back
to Mozilla.org.


Shane