OEM crap

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Homer J. Simpson

An acquaintance of mine just bought his first laptop--he's not a complete
n00b when it comes to using PCs, but let's just say he felt more comfortable
having me go shopping with him to make sure he didn't get scammed.

Anyway. Long story short, when we went to the store to pick it up, he
wanted to power it up before we left just to make sure everything worked,
etc...of course, by doing so, being an OEM machine, the first thing we got
prompted with was to complete the Windows setup (it came with XP Pro).

So we did that, took roughly 5 minutes, then the next thing to come up was
some prompt to backup the system state to CD/DVD--with the salesguy pointing
out that this is where you get to create your own system recovery disc
(UGH!) because one doesn't even come with system (not unheard of).
Obviously we didn't want to go through burning a disc then and there, so we
skipped that part and proceeded to verify the basic functions (at the
request of my acquaintance--I didn't feel that to be particularly necessary
myself. But, he's the one spending the money...)

We get back home, turn the laptop on, download the 100+MB worth of updates
(he can only get dialup), and once that's done, I'll be damned now if I can
find that program that lets you create that backup disc. So we skipped it
for now. And to be frank, I'm no fan of these system recovery discs that
force you to blow away your data and redo your partitioning to the match
original state (and typically comes with a few gigs worth of crapware you'll
never need). To make matters worse, I realized only a minute before I left
(when I already had my jacket on) that the silly thing is preconfigured to
use FAT32; I didn't feel like staying an extra half hour to do the
conversion, so I left it at that at that point. I'll do that later.

In any case--my actual question--if his system actually dies at some point
and the OS has to be reinstalled, he's without any media. Am I gonna able
to use one of my MSDN CDs and do a clean install on his system off of
that--entering, of course, *his* OEM key?
 
P

Poprivet

Homer said:
An acquaintance of mine just bought his first laptop--he's not a
complete n00b when it comes to using PCs, but let's just say he felt
more comfortable having me go shopping with him to make sure he
didn't get scammed.
Anyway. Long story short, when we went to the store to pick it up, he
wanted to power it up before we left just to make sure everything
worked, etc...of course, by doing so, being an OEM machine, the first
thing we got prompted with was to complete the Windows setup (it came
with XP Pro).
So we did that, took roughly 5 minutes, then the next thing to come
up was some prompt to backup the system state to CD/DVD--with the
salesguy pointing out that this is where you get to create your own
system recovery disc (UGH!) because one doesn't even come with system
(not unheard of). Obviously we didn't want to go through burning a
disc then and there, so we skipped that part and proceeded to verify
the basic functions (at the request of my acquaintance--I didn't feel
that to be particularly necessary myself. But, he's the one spending
the money...)
We get back home, turn the laptop on, download the 100+MB worth of
updates (he can only get dialup), and once that's done, I'll be
damned now if I can find that program that lets you create that
backup disc. So we skipped it for now. And to be frank, I'm no fan
of these system recovery discs that force you to blow away your data
and redo your partitioning to the match original state (and typically
comes with a few gigs worth of crapware you'll never need). To make
matters worse, I realized only a minute before I left (when I already
had my jacket on) that the silly thing is preconfigured to use FAT32;
I didn't feel like staying an extra half hour to do the conversion,
so I left it at that at that point. I'll do that later.
In any case--my actual question--if his system actually dies at some
point and the OS has to be reinstalled, he's without any media. Am I
gonna able to use one of my MSDN CDs and do a clean install on his
system off of that--entering, of course, *his* OEM key?

His documentation is required to show how to restore the machine. If there
is no way, return it or make them provide it!
The "System state" does NOT restore the computer to "as bought". There
still has to be a restore method provided.
 
P

Paul Smith

In any case--my actual question--if his system actually dies at some point
and the OS has to be reinstalled, he's without any media. Am I gonna able
to use one of my MSDN CDs and do a clean install on his system off of
that--entering, of course, *his* OEM key?

MSDN discs are retail versions, so I think its very unlikely an OEM key
would work.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/
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Guest

Read the documents and check if any "Recovery CD" is included in the package
or not. If not, then I will suggest you to create the one right now.

A short story here too. My cousin brought a new Toshiba Laptop. After a
month, he came to me and ask if I can reinstall Windows XP again. Then I
start from a scratch and did a clean installation. Then I tried my drivers CD
because there was none with the Laptop. After 1 hour of struggling, I realize
that something is wrong because Windows was not letting of to install
drivers. Even I downloaded the latest from the Internet. After doing some
"Google", I found that those drivers will only work with Windows OEM version
not the Windows I had installed. Further, there were many laptop utilities
were periorly installed and I didn't find many of them on the Internet. In
the end, I ask my cousin if he has any CD comes with the laptop and thank god
there were one and it took just 10 mintues to recovery the system.

So, I will again suggest you to create a recovery CD. You should also check
the manufacture site and see if a Recovery CD comes with the laptop.

Hope this help, let us know!
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R

Rock

In any case--my actual question--if his system actually dies at some point
and the OS has to be reinstalled, he's without any media. Am I gonna able
to use one of my MSDN CDs and do a clean install on his system off of
that--entering, of course, *his* OEM key?

The key that came with the system will probably only work with the system
recovery CD.
 
K

Kerry Brown

It's very hard to find a reasonably priced laptop that has a Windows CD. You
need to include the price of a retail version of Windows in your cost when
researching them. You also need to make sure the drivers are available on
line. I always create the restore media then immediately format the drive,
including the restore partition, and install my own Windows set up how I
like it. It is all part of the way laptops are marketed. There is a reason
why laptop prices are much lower than they used to be.
 
F

Frankster

In any case--my actual question--if his system actually dies at some point
and the OS has to be reinstalled, he's without any media. Am I gonna able
to use one of my MSDN CDs and do a clean install on his system off of
that--entering, of course, *his* OEM key?

Actual answer: No.

-Frank
 
B

BR549

Homer J. Simpson said:
An acquaintance of mine just bought his first laptop--he's not a complete
n00b when it comes to using PCs, but let's just say he felt more
comfortable having me go shopping with him to make sure he didn't get
scammed.

Anyway. Long story short, when we went to the store to pick it up, he
wanted to power it up before we left just to make sure everything worked,
etc...of course, by doing so, being an OEM machine, the first thing we got
prompted with was to complete the Windows setup (it came with XP Pro).

So we did that, took roughly 5 minutes, then the next thing to come up was
some prompt to backup the system state to CD/DVD--with the salesguy
pointing out that this is where you get to create your own system recovery
disc (UGH!) because one doesn't even come with system (not unheard of).
Obviously we didn't want to go through burning a disc then and there, so
we skipped that part and proceeded to verify the basic functions (at the
request of my acquaintance--I didn't feel that to be particularly
necessary myself. But, he's the one spending the money...)

We get back home, turn the laptop on, download the 100+MB worth of updates
(he can only get dialup), and once that's done, I'll be damned now if I
can find that program that lets you create that backup disc. So we
skipped it for now. And to be frank, I'm no fan of these system recovery
discs that force you to blow away your data and redo your partitioning to
the match original state (and typically comes with a few gigs worth of
crapware you'll never need). To make matters worse, I realized only a
minute before I left (when I already had my jacket on) that the silly
thing is preconfigured to use FAT32; I didn't feel like staying an extra
half hour to do the conversion, so I left it at that at that point. I'll
do that later.

In any case--my actual question--if his system actually dies at some point
and the OS has to be reinstalled, he's without any media. Am I gonna able
to use one of my MSDN CDs and do a clean install on his system off of
that--entering, of course, *his* OEM key?

Most laptops and desktops sold these days come with the OEM version of XP,
that's why they can sell them as cheap as they do. They also don't include
the XP cd and either come with recovery cd's or the means to create them.
You can always uninstall all the "crap" you don't want and then create the
restore cd set.
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Long story, short....

In any case--my actual question--if his system actually dies at some point
and the OS has to be reinstalled, he's without any media. Am I gonna able
to use one of my MSDN CDs and do a clean install on his system off of
that--entering, of course, *his* OEM key?


No. Your friend will either have to build those Recovery CDs that you
keep skipping, or obtain an unbranded, generic OEM CD, and hope that the
laptop manufacturer provided all of the necessarily proprietary device
drivers on a web site for downloading. To determine how to make the
offered Recovery CDs, your friend need only consult the manual that came
with the laptop.

Product Keys are bound to the specific type and language of CD/license
(OEM, Volume, retail, full, or Upgrade) with which they are purchased.
For example, a WinXP Home OEM Product Key won't work for any retail
version of WinXP Home, or for any version of WinXP Pro, and vice versa.
An upgrade's Product Key cannot be used with a full version CD, and
vice versa. An OEM Product Key will not work to install a retail
product. An Italian Product Key will not work with an English CD.
Bottom line: Product Keys and CD types cannot be mixed & matched.


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Bruce Chambers

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M

M8RIX

Hi
On the longshot that the system in question is an HP, go to Start>All
Programs>PC Help & Tools>HP PC Recovery CD-DVD Creator.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Homer said:
In any case--my actual question--if his system actually dies at some
point and the OS has to be reinstalled, he's without any media. Am I
gonna able to use one of my MSDN CDs and do a clean install on his
system off of that--entering, of course, *his* OEM key?


No. An OEM key will not work with an MSDN CD.
 
N

Nina DiBoy

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