Ode to Kurttrail...

K

kurttrail

Leythos said:
Kurt, I think you misunderstand, and not just me, I see lots of evil,

Except you don't see the real evil. The real evil is not one-sided. It
is the mindset that might makes right, and violence is the only means to
an end.

Both the terrorists and your beloved Bush and his cronies are of the
same mindset. Both are a part of the real evil.
I just happen to be where I've seen what I consider as facts,

FACTS?!!!!!

The fact is there was a deliberate attempt to decieve us into war, and
to discredit anyone that was a critic. You don't see what is plainly in
front of you. And you are not alone. 38% of America still refuse to
see the truth.
where
I've seen information that contradicts the media reports,

Yes, I've seen your sources of info. NewMuck, WorldNutDaily, The Moonie
Times . . . .
where I've
seen the evil done in those countries,

But you don't see the evil done by us. Iraq was no terrorist hotbed
until after the US Invasion forces took control of Iraq. Yes, Saddam
was a bad man, but he was no REAL threat to us. Iran, North Korea were
then much more dangerous to the world, until we made Iraq the training
ground for terrorism.

But you don't see reality. All you see is the bullsh*t.
where I've seen what the media
doesn't report,

Delusions, and deliberate lies.

You probably still think that Saddam was trying to buy yellow cake
uranium from Niger, as you still believe that Saddam had WMDs in 2003,
despite even Bush's own WMD experts concluding that Saddam had destroyed
his WMDs by the mid 1990's.
and were I've talked with intel and grunts on the
ground in various countries.

LOL! What nonsense.
I firmly believe in my position because

You are a lily-livered pansy, and you need to be afraid. You are the
perfect victim of the terrorists. You succumb to their terror. You
give the credibility with your fear of them, as does this
administration.

By declaring WAR on terror, you legitimize them and their cause. They
should be hunted down as the criminals that they are. Not legitimized
as a sovereign entity.
I believe in what I've seen and consider them to be facts.

And discard real facts for what your fear wants you to see. The
terrorists have really won you over!
As a
programmer, designer, network engineer, I've had to learn to diagnose
problems for a very long time, that same logic works on intel and
other forms of information - you should try it some time.\

LOL! I've have seen your logic, and have found it totally in error.
I don't believe the President has been without mistakes,

Really? You mean he isn't the Second-Coming? ROFL!
I don't
believe that everything done has been without some level of fault,
but, I also firmly believe that my position is just, truthful, in the
right, and has been proven to be correct.

And so did the Nazis, and the Crusaders, and the Romans, and all the
idiots throughout history that believe their might made right. That
violence was the solution, not the problem.

And as history has repeatedly shown, its you true believers in your
violent destinies, that are the true evil. You and your fear are the
real terrorists.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
M

Michael Stevens

In
Leythos said:
The problem is that there is nothing to cover, there is nothing to
start flowing out except the truth, which will contradict what the
Media has been spewing for the last 6 years.

So far the truth flowing out has confirmed the media, what media do you read
and watch? The media I read and watched today just confirmed he is a
hypocrite and liar and by the Whitehouse's own admission. And so blatantly
disguised as political spin, that they didn't even have a reason it should
be believed as anything but a lie to deceive the gullible public that still
support Bush.
I forget the comic that described how when Bush speaks, "Bush makes stupid
people think they are smart". I guess the downward support ratings show the
people must be getting smarter, so in a way Bush is the great educator he
promised his administration would be.
Finger pointing is what happens when there is no facts, no truth, and
it's done to make one site look bad, facts are not a finger pointing.

Finger pointing comes when all guilty parties try to place the blame on
other guilty parties. Where the hell did you get your definition of finger
pointing?

To cut down on bandwidth, I mirror the reply kurt gave you except for the
"You are a lily-livered pansy" part. I would have probably said "You are
delusional and tragically uninformed".

Now if you reply, please try to be rational and understand, I am not
anti-American. I am seriously concerned that this Bush administration has
seriouly damaged our diplomatic ability to negotiate with forign nations,
created the impression to a large mass of the world community that we are
not much better than the people we invade and that has created enemies that
were at one time our allies, created a massive national debt that had to be
artificially masked by raising the national debt, weakened our armed forces
to the point that countries like North Korea and Iran are major threats to
gain MDA's that can't be properly managed.
Who has the blinders own? If you can truly explain where this administration
has been a success and not say by my displeasure and critical opinion I am
hurting the soldiers and the effort in Iraq when the Bush administration
sent them to war with inadequate equipment and dragged their feet with
cover-ups and excuses for years and still are?
Please reply.
You do know the American troops are still not properly outfitted? Plus can
you say draft? If the current strategies of lowering the enlistment
standards e.g. allowing tattoos visible (gang plea bargains maybe), upping
the age a person can enlist, allowing convicted felons, we are talking about
draft.
Also please reply if you have a good opinion and not a spin on the above.
BTW, Can you think of a US president that instigated or joined a war that
had not already attacked the sovereign USA or been a world threat already in
progress ever having an agenda that really was justifiably humanitarian?
Please tell me which one of those wars was a success?
When you are the greatest and strongest country in the world, you do not
start a war any intelligent person knows will never succeed. Because you are
the strongest, you win the right to negotiate. That is the only reason you
become the strongest in the first place, you want to have the negotiating
power to influence all your allies to convince the adversary to strike a
compromise that works for all. No one wins in a war. The only way to truly
win a war is to have a Hitler mentality and eradicate your opposition,
otherwise you have only created a passion to breed a new opposition.
War is never the answer.
 
R

Roberto

Michael Stevens said:
In

So far the truth flowing out has confirmed the media, what media do you
read and watch? The media I read and watched today just confirmed he is a
hypocrite and liar and by the Whitehouse's own admission. And so blatantly
disguised as political spin, that they didn't even have a reason it should
be believed as anything but a lie to deceive the gullible public that
still support Bush.
I forget the comic that described how when Bush speaks, "Bush makes stupid
people think they are smart". I guess the downward support ratings show
the people must be getting smarter, so in a way Bush is the great educator
he promised his administration would be.


Finger pointing comes when all guilty parties try to place the blame on
other guilty parties. Where the hell did you get your definition of finger
pointing?

To cut down on bandwidth, I mirror the reply kurt gave you except for the
"You are a lily-livered pansy" part. I would have probably said "You are
delusional and tragically uninformed".

Now if you reply, please try to be rational and understand, I am not
anti-American. I am seriously concerned that this Bush administration has
seriouly damaged our diplomatic ability to negotiate with forign nations,
created the impression to a large mass of the world community that we are
not much better than the people we invade and that has created enemies
that were at one time our allies, created a massive national debt that had
to be artificially masked by raising the national debt, weakened our armed
forces to the point that countries like North Korea and Iran are major
threats to gain MDA's that can't be properly managed.
Who has the blinders own? If you can truly explain where this
administration has been a success and not say by my displeasure and
critical opinion I am hurting the soldiers and the effort in Iraq when the
Bush administration sent them to war with inadequate equipment and dragged
their feet with cover-ups and excuses for years and still are?
Please reply.
You do know the American troops are still not properly outfitted? Plus can
you say draft? If the current strategies of lowering the enlistment
standards e.g. allowing tattoos visible (gang plea bargains maybe), upping
the age a person can enlist, allowing convicted felons, we are talking
about draft.
Also please reply if you have a good opinion and not a spin on the above.
BTW, Can you think of a US president that instigated or joined a war that
had not already attacked the sovereign USA or been a world threat already
in progress ever having an agenda that really was justifiably
humanitarian? Please tell me which one of those wars was a success?
When you are the greatest and strongest country in the world, you do not
start a war any intelligent person knows will never succeed. Because you
are the strongest, you win the right to negotiate. That is the only reason
you become the strongest in the first place, you want to have the
negotiating power to influence all your allies to convince the adversary
to strike a compromise that works for all. No one wins in a war. The only
way to truly win a war is to have a Hitler mentality and eradicate your
opposition, otherwise you have only created a passion to breed a new
opposition.
War is never the answer.

Michael
I have been reading this thread "Ode to Kurtrail" with interest, can I
say congratulations on a well crafted response to Leythos !'
It would be fair to say most Australians are also concerned by our
government's involvement in the "coalition of the willing" and
this futile exercise in Iraq.
Aggression never solved any dispute - if human beings don't grasp
that; history will repeat itself .

rgds
Roberto
 
L

Leythos

In

So far the truth flowing out has confirmed the media, what media do you read
and watch? The media I read and watched today just confirmed he is a
hypocrite and liar and by the Whitehouse's own admission. And so blatantly
disguised as political spin, that they didn't even have a reason it should
be believed as anything but a lie to deceive the gullible public that still
support Bush.
I forget the comic that described how when Bush speaks, "Bush makes stupid
people think they are smart". I guess the downward support ratings show the
people must be getting smarter, so in a way Bush is the great educator he
promised his administration would be.

I've not seen anything in the media, any source, that has claimed FACTS,
I've seen plenty that claims it may or might or could or in their
opinion, but I've not see the hype media present anything as a "Fact"
that leads to your position.
Finger pointing comes when all guilty parties try to place the blame on
other guilty parties. Where the hell did you get your definition of finger
pointing?

To cut down on bandwidth, I mirror the reply kurt gave you except for the
"You are a lily-livered pansy" part. I would have probably said "You are
delusional and tragically uninformed".

And just maybe, you might find that I'm not delusional or tragically
uninformed. There are a lot of people, more than the 3x% the believe the
opposite of what the polls are showing - in fact, I've not run into more
than 10% that have the same opinion as the polls state.
Now if you reply, please try to be rational and understand, I am not
anti-American. I am seriously concerned that this Bush administration has
seriouly damaged our diplomatic ability to negotiate with forign nations,
created the impression to a large mass of the world community that we are
not much better than the people we invade and that has created enemies that
were at one time our allies, created a massive national debt that had to be
artificially masked by raising the national debt, weakened our armed forces
to the point that countries like North Korea and Iran are major threats to
gain MDA's that can't be properly managed.

I don't believe our connections with any reasonable country have been
damaged, but I do believe that the ones that WERE a threat before 9/11
now see us as a larger threat and have much greater concern - and, based
on their (the foreign) motivations and plans, they should be concerned.
Who has the blinders own? If you can truly explain where this administration
has been a success and not say by my displeasure and critical opinion I am
hurting the soldiers and the effort in Iraq when the Bush administration
sent them to war with inadequate equipment and dragged their feet with
cover-ups and excuses for years and still are?
Please reply.
You do know the American troops are still not properly outfitted?

Equipment was only a small issue, and yes, it could have been better,
BUT, look at who cut the funding, killed all the bills that would have
provided that needed equipment, it didn't have a thing to do with Bush.
We always needed things when I was in the service, and we either managed
to get them on our own or we did without, but we still got the job done,
it's always been like that - so I don't fault Bush, I fault all the
congress a$$holes that voted against the spending.

I don't see where there was any "cover-up" of the lack of resources, at
least I've not seen anything factual to point to it - heck, I've had
family over there, in the military, since Iraq started, and I've still
not seen anything to indicate there was a "cover-up" on equipment.
Plus can
you say draft? If the current strategies of lowering the enlistment
standards e.g. allowing tattoos visible (gang plea bargains maybe), upping
the age a person can enlist, allowing convicted felons, we are talking about
draft.

That's a funny one - that was the Democratic tactic used to scare kids
into voting for them - the Dem's put that out. None of the Military
people (including Recruiters) say that a Draft is even remotely likely
to start. I've seen a lot of political scare mongers stating that we'll
need a Draft, but it's not going to happen, not going to be put on the
table by the Republicans (at least as far as I can see).
Also please reply if you have a good opinion and not a spin on the above.

Done - thanks - hope you can see the mistake in your ABOVE.
BTW, Can you think of a US president that instigated or joined a war that
had not already attacked the sovereign USA or been a world threat already in
progress ever having an agenda that really was justifiably humanitarian?

For a "long" time we've not had wars, we've had "Conflicts", many of
them.
Please tell me which one of those wars was a success?

War, depending on how you look at it, is never a success.
When you are the greatest and strongest country in the world, you do not
start a war any intelligent person knows will never succeed.

Even Ghandi would not want people to sit back and die without fighting
back. Sometimes you have to take the fight to the enemy, and more so
after they hit you to test your resolve.
Because you are
the strongest, you win the right to negotiate. That is the only reason you
become the strongest in the first place, you want to have the negotiating
power to influence all your allies to convince the adversary to strike a
compromise that works for all.

And I would agree with you in most cases, it's best to talk it out, but
it just doesn't work in all cases. I can't believe you honestly believe
that "Talk" will solve ALL problems and not cost more lives.
No one wins in a war. The only way to truly
win a war is to have a Hitler mentality and eradicate your opposition,
otherwise you have only created a passion to breed a new opposition.
War is never the answer.

I agree with some, not the way, of what you said. War is always bad,
it's always a act of last resort (or should be), and it's an all or
nothing type of thing. In this case, I believe that it was justified,
and I believe it enough that I'm willing to let my oldest son join the
service this summer.
 
A

Alias

Leythos said:
I believe it enough that I'm willing to let my oldest son join the
service this summer.

"Let"? I wonder how you will be feeling when your son comes home in a
box. Will you still support the illegal war in Iraq?

Alias
 
K

kurttrail

Alias said:
"Let"? I wonder how you will be feeling when your son comes home in a
box. Will you still support the illegal war in Iraq?

Of course. He is the kind of idiot that thinks dying in battle is a
glorious way to die, as long as it is not him personally.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
M

Michael Stevens

In
Leythos said:
I've not seen anything in the media, any source, that has claimed
FACTS, I've seen plenty that claims it may or might or could or in
their opinion, but I've not see the hype media present anything as a
"Fact" that leads to your position.

Really, that is what you have seen? That is amazing.
And just maybe, you might find that I'm not delusional or tragically
uninformed. There are a lot of people, more than the 3x% the believe
the opposite of what the polls are showing - in fact, I've not run
into more than 10% that have the same opinion as the polls state.

So you say your own auctual poll is only 10% and you still say you are
still not delusional. You are polling your peers, and only see 10%, you
can't really believe that is a viable figure to base any opinion?. Do you
ever go out of your house? Do you watch any news program? Do you read any
newspaper? Are you homebound? Are you a Bush relative?
I don't believe our connections with any reasonable country have been
damaged, but I do believe that the ones that WERE a threat before 9/11
now see us as a larger threat and have much greater concern - and,
based on their (the foreign) motivations and plans, they should be
concerned.

Thanks for confirming my feelings, and how exactly is that a good result of
Bush's agenda? I thought we should try to make friends and try to negotiate
a peaceful coexistence rather than make our actions a recruiting incentive
far more successful than allowing gang tattoos and older recruits as an
incentive to fuel this stupid Bush folly. How many of your peers that have
young sons or daughters are encouraging them to join the military for this
war you support?
Equipment was only a small issue, and yes, it could have been better,
BUT, look at who cut the funding, killed all the bills that would have
provided that needed equipment, it didn't have a thing to do with
Bush. We always needed things when I was in the service, and we
either managed to get them on our own or we did without, but we still
got the job done, it's always been like that - so I don't fault Bush,
I fault all the congress a$$holes that voted against the spending.

I don't see where there was any "cover-up" of the lack of resources,
at least I've not seen anything factual to point to it - heck, I've
had family over there, in the military, since Iraq started, and I've
still not seen anything to indicate there was a "cover-up" on
equipment.


That's a funny one - that was the Democratic tactic used to scare kids
into voting for them - the Dem's put that out. None of the Military
people (including Recruiters) say that a Draft is even remotely likely
to start. I've seen a lot of political scare mongers stating that
we'll need a Draft, but it's not going to happen, not going to be put
on the table by the Republicans (at least as far as I can see).


Done - thanks - hope you can see the mistake in your ABOVE.


For a "long" time we've not had wars, we've had "Conflicts", many of
them.


War, depending on how you look at it, is never a success.


Even Ghandi would not want people to sit back and die without fighting
back. Sometimes you have to take the fight to the enemy, and more so
after they hit you to test your resolve.


And I would agree with you in most cases, it's best to talk it out,
but it just doesn't work in all cases. I can't believe you honestly
believe that "Talk" will solve ALL problems and not cost more lives.


I agree with some, not the way, of what you said. War is always bad,
it's always a act of last resort (or should be), and it's an all or
nothing type of thing. In this case, I believe that it was justified,
and I believe it enough that I'm willing to let my oldest son join the
service this summer.


I can't even comment on the rest of your totally inadequate excuses. The
responses were so lame they didn't need a response. You should be ashamed
and I wish the best for your son if he does believe in your folly and joins
the service.
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kurttrail

Leythos said:
I've not seen anything in the media, any source, that has claimed
FACTS, I've seen plenty that claims it may or might or could or in
their opinion, but I've not see the hype media present anything as a
"Fact" that leads to your position.

LOL! Of course you don't want to see it.

"Fitzgerald wrote that Cheney and his aides saw Wilson as a threat to
'the credibility of the vice president (and the president) on a matter
of signal importance: the rationale for the war in Iraq.' They decided
to respond by implying that Wilson got his CIA assignment by
'nepotism.'"

"Fitzgerald said the grand jury has collected so much testimony, and so
many documents, that 'it is hard to conceive of what evidence there
could be that would disprove the existence of White House efforts to
"punish" Wilson.'" -
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...06/04/09/effort_against_iraq_critic_detailed/

"I have tremendous confidence in him [Fitzgerald]. I look to getting to
the bottom of this. Whatever he does, I can assure you, people are
going to follow and are going to look to abide by." - Ken Mehlman RNC
Chairman
And just maybe, you might find that I'm not delusional or tragically
uninformed.

When pigs fly, and hell freezes over, and Microsoft gives up on Product
Activation.
There are a lot of people, more than the 3x% the believe
the opposite of what the polls are showing -

LOL! Yep, about one third of colonial American believed that their
interests lay in staying Brits, and didn't want independence.

Were they right in thinking that?
in fact, I've not run
into more than 10% that have the same opinion as the polls state.

Mental patients tend to flock together. The sane people stay away from
ya'll, and if confronted by an insane idiot in person, it is easier to
just play along with ya'll than agrue with a insane idiot. Only about
10% of us sane people like entertaining ourselves by idiot-baiting.
I don't believe our connections with any reasonable country have been
damaged,

Yep, you don't believe that Saddam destroyed all his WMDs in the
mid-1990s, despite GWB's own WMD experts all coming to that conclusion!

You believe in fairy tales, so what you believe is a reasonable country
is hardly worth anymore than your other beliefs.
but I do believe that the ones that WERE a threat before 9/11
now see us as a larger threat and have much greater concern - and,
based on their (the foreign) motivations and plans, they should be
concerned.

LOL! Oh not all of them are like the Libyan transvestite Qaddafi. What
is happening in Iraq today, is emboldening the terrorist states.
That's a funny one - that was the Democratic tactic used to scare kids
into voting for them - the Dem's put that out. None of the Military
people (including Recruiters) say that a Draft is even remotely likely
to start. I've seen a lot of political scare mongers stating that
we'll need a Draft, but it's not going to happen, not going to be put
on the table by the Republicans (at least as far as I can see).

We have lost control in Iraq. Don't you see that there is, in fact, a
civil war going on?

If we are going to really stablize the country, we need more troops on
the ground. Period. You can't run and occupation from the air, or from
an aircraft carrier, or from behind a "Green Zone," or from another
country in the region. It is run from the ground up, and it is
blatantly obvious that there are not enough feet on the ground to
stabilize Iraq, and there never has been.
Done - thanks - hope you can see the mistake in your ABOVE.


For a "long" time we've not had wars, we've had "Conflicts", many of
them.

Afraid to name them? Vietnam and Korea.

We retreated from Vietnam, and we still have troops along the Korean
DMZ.

Are we to have troops in Iraq for half a century and more too, based on
the lie of WMDs?!
War, depending on how you look at it, is never a success.

Then why support them? FEAR! You lilly-livered coward!
Even Ghandi would not want people to sit back and die without fighting
back. Sometimes you have to take the fight to the enemy, and more so
after they hit you to test your resolve.

What?! People were dying when he was trying to get the Brits to leave
India, and I don't remember him telling his people to use violence.
And I would agree with you in most cases, it's best to talk it out,
but it just doesn't work in all cases. I can't believe you honestly
believe that "Talk" will solve ALL problems and not cost more lives.

Do you really think Saddam would have killed as many innocent Iraqis as
have been killed during the US Invasion, and Occupation? If you do,
then you are truly delusional.
I agree with some, not the way, of what you said. War is always bad,
it's always a act of last resort (or should be), and it's an all or
nothing type of thing. In this case, I believe that it was justified,
and I believe it enough that I'm willing to let my oldest son join the
service this summer.

Except, the Iraqi Invasion and Occupation was hardly a last resort.
More delusions, Lamegirl.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
L

Leythos

aka@ said:
"Let"? I wonder how you will be feeling when your son comes home in a
box. Will you still support the illegal war in Iraq?

Yes, if my son dies for what I and he believe in, in what we both
consider to be "just" and what we both consider as necessary for the
protection of the country, I will continue to support the War on Terror
which Iraq is part of.

Unlike you and some of the others, I'm not driven by the media, not
driven by the hype, not driven by the Opinions and unfactual information
being reported. I'm driven by what I personally experience, facts, and a
belief that there comes a time when you need to give back.

If any of my family is killed in the hunting of Terrorists or in the
support of Security for America or American interests, then I will feel
the pain, will experience great loss, but, I will also see the honor in
it and it won't change my fact based opinion of the war.

There - I've said it in public, said I'm willing to stand for something
I believe in, and I've served in harms way myself when I was in the
service, so, now you know from someone that considers theirself to be
informed.
 
K

kurttrail

Leythos said:
Yes, if my son dies for what I and he believe in, in what we both
consider to be "just" and what we both consider as necessary for the
protection of the country, I will continue to support the War on
Terror which Iraq is part of.

More Delusions. Iraq has only become a hotbed of terrorism AFTER we
invaded it.

The US brought terrorism there, not Al Qaeda.
Unlike you and some of the others, I'm not driven by the media,

Unless it is from NewsMuck, WorldNutDaily, the Moonie Times, the Weakly
Standard, or the Faux News Channel!
not
driven by the hype, not driven by the Opinions and unfactual
information being reported.

Anything that doesn't fit into your delusions is unfactual to you. That
is how you get yourself to continue to believe your delusions.
I'm driven by what I personally
experience, facts, and a belief that there comes a time when you need
to give back.

Yep, you are totally delusional!
If any of my family is killed in the hunting of Terrorists or in the
support of Security for America or American interests, then I will
feel the pain, will experience great loss, but, I will also see the
honor in it and it won't change my fact based opinion of the war.

See, I told you Alias. It is indeed a glorious way to die! Die for
daddy's delusions!
There - I've said it in public, said I'm willing to stand for
something I believe in, and I've served in harms way myself when I
was in the service, so, now you know from someone that considers
theirself to be informed.

Please go to Iraq yourself, on your own dime, if you think it is the
right thing to do.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
A

Alias

kurttrail said:
See, I told you Alias. It is indeed a glorious way to die! Die for
daddy's delusions!

The frightening thing is that there are so many people who think like
Leythos.

Alias
 
K

kurttrail

Alias said:
The frightening thing is that there are so many people who think like
Leythos.

Yep. It is indeed frightening how many stupid rednecks there are in
America.

People that drive pickups, follow NASCAR, wear cowboy boots, and have
Bush/Cheney bumper stickers, should be rounded up and sterilized. They
are just lucky that true liberals would never do that.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
F

Frank

Alias said:
The frightening thing is that there are so many people who think
like Leythos.

Alias

This is so true.

true-believer syndrome
The need to believe in phony wonders sometimes exceeds not only
logic but, seemingly, even sanity.
--The Rev. Canon William V. Rauscher

The true-believer syndrome merits study by science. What is it
that compels a person, past all reason, to believe the unbelievable.
How can an otherwise sane individual become so enamored of a
fantasy, an imposture, that even after it's exposed in the bright
light of day he still clings to it--indeed, clings to it all the
harder?
--M. Lamar Keene

True-believer syndrome is an expression coined by M. Lamar Keene to
describe an apparent cognitive disorder characterized by believing
in the reality of paranormal or supernatural events after one has
been presented overwhelming evidence that the event was fraudulently
staged. Keene is a reformed phony psychic who exposed religious
racketeering--to little effect, apparently. Phony faith healers,
psychics, channelers, televangelist miracle workers, etc., are as
abundant as ever.
 
L

Leythos

This is so true.

true-believer syndrome
The need to believe in phony wonders sometimes exceeds not only
logic but, seemingly, even sanity.
--The Rev. Canon William V. Rauscher

The true-believer syndrome merits study by science. What is it
that compels a person, past all reason, to believe the unbelievable.
How can an otherwise sane individual become so enamored of a
fantasy, an imposture, that even after it's exposed in the bright
light of day he still clings to it--indeed, clings to it all the
harder?
--M. Lamar Keene

True-believer syndrome is an expression coined by M. Lamar Keene to
describe an apparent cognitive disorder characterized by believing
in the reality of paranormal or supernatural events after one has
been presented overwhelming evidence that the event was fraudulently
staged. Keene is a reformed phony psychic who exposed religious
racketeering--to little effect, apparently. Phony faith healers,
psychics, channelers, televangelist miracle workers, etc., are as
abundant as ever.

I realize you were suggesting that this was my issue, but it could
easily be pointed back at those like Kurt and Alias and fit just as
well.

I've "never" been a "believer", I've always looked at FACTS, not the
half-truths, the opinions, the lies, the statements of people that were
nowhere around, etc... So far, the facts seem to indicate I'm of the
correct opinion.

I'm more than willing to change my opinion when the facts give me a
reason to change them.
 
K

kurttrail

Leythos said:
I realize you were suggesting that this was my issue, but it could
easily be pointed back at those like Kurt and Alias and fit just as
well.

I've "never" been a "believer", I've always looked at FACTS, not the
half-truths, the opinions, the lies, the statements of people that
were nowhere around, etc... So far, the facts seem to indicate I'm of
the correct opinion.

I'm more than willing to change my opinion when the facts give me a
reason to change them.

Fact: Saddam had destroyed his WMDs by the mid-1990's.

This FACT is backed up by people on all spectrums of political beliefs.
From the liberal former U.S. Marine Corps Major Scott Ritter to the
centrist David Kay to the conservative Charles Duelfer!

These are three most knowledgeable Americans regarding Saddam's WMDs.
But you don't believe them. You believe the nonsense that they were
transferred to other countries by truck in the days leading up to the US
invasion, and the days immediately following the invasion.

FACT: Saddam wasn't trying to get yellow cake uranium out of Niger.
And the intelligence that suggested he was, was proven a forgery long
before Bush mentioned it in his State of the Union address in 2003!

FACT: You wouldn't know a fact even if it was rammed sideways up your
arse, and spun around like a blender set to liquefy!

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
K

kurttrail

Leythos said:
I just quoted the entire part that you got right.

You have now clearly demonstrated for all rational human beings to see
how you have to hide the real facts from yourself in order to maintain
your delusions.

Thanks! :p

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
L

Leythos

You have now clearly demonstrated for all rational human beings to see
how you have to hide the real facts from yourself in order to maintain
your delusions.

And you keep trolling since you suggest things as facts without any
proof.
 
K

kurttrail

Leythos said:
And you keep trolling since you suggest things as facts without any
proof.

The three leading American experts all agree that Saddam destroyed his
WMDs by the mid-1990s.

What facts do you have to dispute these experts? Just your delusions,
and those of the WorldNutDaily, the Moonie Times, the Weakly Standard,
NewsMuck, and the Faux News Channel.

And what facts do you have to dispute the concerted effort of the White
House to "punish" Joe Wilson for telling the truth about Iraq/Niger
yellow cake nonsense.

None. Not even the White House has the balls to dispute it.

But please, keep demonstrating that you need to hold on to your
delusions in spite of the truth staring you right in the face! You only
look more and more ridiculous the longer you fight to hold on to your
delusions.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 

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