NTFS vs. FAT32 for XP install

G

Guest

I have 256mb ram on my Dell 8100 which came with winME. I "upgraded" (not
using a clean install) to XP and retained FAT32 file format. I want to
reinstall XP and reformat this time.

Is FAT32 format possible with a clean install?

If I change to NTFS, will my performance improve?

Assuming NTFS is the way to go, which procedure is recommended?
A: convert to NTFS, backup files, install XP, restore files.
B: back up files, install XP, restore files.
Plan B seems more straight forward, but should I be concerned about file
format?
 
W

Walter Clayton

chic bowdrie said:
I have 256mb ram on my Dell 8100 which came with winME. I "upgraded" (not
using a clean install) to XP and retained FAT32 file format. I want to
reinstall XP and reformat this time.

Is FAT32 format possible with a clean install?

As long as the partition size is less than 32G.
If I change to NTFS, will my performance improve?

Performance improvement/degradation will depend on machine use. However for
the most part NTFS will be slightly faster on locating files while FAT32 is
slightly reading large files. YMMV.
Assuming NTFS is the way to go, which procedure is recommended?
A: convert to NTFS, backup files, install XP, restore files.
B: back up files, install XP, restore files.
Plan B seems more straight forward, but should I be concerned about file
format?

Up to you, but the first option adds unnecessary steps. The format of the
backup media has no bearing on the format of the source or target HD unless
there's a need to back and restore NTFS access control information. But
that's moot since you're running FAT at present anyway.
 
G

Guest

Thanks. Just curious, how was I able to retain FAT32 format with my 40 GB HD
after my previous XP upgrage?

Walter Clayton said:
chic bowdrie said:
I have 256mb ram on my Dell 8100 which came with winME. I "upgraded" (not
using a clean install) to XP and retained FAT32 file format. I want to
reinstall XP and reformat this time.

Is FAT32 format possible with a clean install?

As long as the partition size is less than 32G.
If I change to NTFS, will my performance improve?

Performance improvement/degradation will depend on machine use. However for
the most part NTFS will be slightly faster on locating files while FAT32 is
slightly reading large files. YMMV.
Assuming NTFS is the way to go, which procedure is recommended?
A: convert to NTFS, backup files, install XP, restore files.
B: back up files, install XP, restore files.
Plan B seems more straight forward, but should I be concerned about file
format?

Up to you, but the first option adds unnecessary steps. The format of the
backup media has no bearing on the format of the source or target HD unless
there's a need to back and restore NTFS access control information. But
that's moot since you're running FAT at present anyway.
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Walter said:
As long as the partition size is less than 32G.


Performance improvement/degradation will depend on machine use.
However for the most part NTFS will be slightly faster on locating
files while FAT32 is slightly reading large files. YMMV.


Up to you, but the first option adds unnecessary steps. The format
of the backup media has no bearing on the format of the source or
target HD unless there's a need to back and restore NTFS access
control information. But that's moot since you're running FAT at
present anyway.

chic said:
Thanks. Just curious, how was I able to retain FAT32 format with my
40 GB HD after my previous XP upgrage?

Windows XP Supports FAT32 partitions larger than 32GB..
Windows XP cannot FORMAT natively partitions larger than 32GB..

If you have a partition made with other utilities (FAT32) - it will work.
 
W

Walter Clayton

XP will *use* a fat32 partition up to the theoretical max, which is a rather
larger number that I can remember off the top of my head, but something on
the order of 2TB. But, the drive must be formatted with something other than
Win2K or XP tools. WinMe (not 9x; they're stuck at under 128G) can format a
FAT32 drive up to a bit over 500G and XP will deal with it without balking.

However, Win2K/XP will not *format* a drive over 32G in anything other than
NTFS.

--
Walter Clayton
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.


chic bowdrie said:
Thanks. Just curious, how was I able to retain FAT32 format with my 40 GB
HD
after my previous XP upgrage?

Walter Clayton said:
chic bowdrie said:
I have 256mb ram on my Dell 8100 which came with winME. I "upgraded"
(not
using a clean install) to XP and retained FAT32 file format. I want to
reinstall XP and reformat this time.

Is FAT32 format possible with a clean install?

As long as the partition size is less than 32G.
If I change to NTFS, will my performance improve?

Performance improvement/degradation will depend on machine use. However
for
the most part NTFS will be slightly faster on locating files while FAT32
is
slightly reading large files. YMMV.
Assuming NTFS is the way to go, which procedure is recommended?
A: convert to NTFS, backup files, install XP, restore files.
B: back up files, install XP, restore files.
Plan B seems more straight forward, but should I be concerned about
file
format?

Up to you, but the first option adds unnecessary steps. The format of the
backup media has no bearing on the format of the source or target HD
unless
there's a need to back and restore NTFS access control information. But
that's moot since you're running FAT at present anyway.
 
B

Bob Harris

One other wrinkle to consider: The upgrade version of XP will demand to see
proof of a prior qualifying operating system, like 98 or ME. When you
upgraded over ME, it found ME, which qualified. If you reformat and then do
a clean install, it will not see any trace of ME, and will demand to see the
CD for the older operating system. If you have the ME CD, then you are OK
to go. Otherwise, the upgrade version of XP will refuse to install on the
clean disk.

As for copying files form FAT32 to/from NTFS, the windows explorer in XP
handles the details. I do this all the time, with 100% success. XP also
can handle FAT16 and FAT12.
 
C

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

I have 256mb ram on my Dell 8100 which came with winME. I "upgraded" (not
using a clean install) to XP and retained FAT32 file format. I want to
reinstall XP and reformat this time.

Is FAT32 format possible with a clean install?

Yes. XP's too brain-dead to create (in particular, format) FAT32
volumes over 32G, so you need a compitent tool to do that first; I use
BING from www.bootitng.com without installing it to HD (cancel the
initial install-to-HD prompt and it settles in to maintenance mode)

If you use BING to create FATxx volumes, be sure to check the box (new
version) or answer the prompt (old version) so that the volumes are
aligned for NTFS, else if you convert them later, you'll be cursed
with 512 byte cluster which is s-l-o-w.
If I change to NTFS, will my performance improve?

YMMV. There are four aspects here...

1) Safety

NTFS may or may not be less likely to be corrupted than FAT32, but it
certainly lacks in maintenance options should this occur.

FAT32 has interactive Scandisk, the ability to copy off files from DOS
mode, cheap low-level manual repair tools like Diskedit, and is a
simple file system that techs can manually repair, skills permitting.

NTFS has "kill, bury, deny" ChkDsk and AutoChk, and that's it.

2) Security

If you need to secure one user's access against another, then you'd
want NTFS to apply that per-user/per-account security all the way down
to the raw file system. But you'd do best to install XP onto NTFS,
else the appropriate system file permissions etc. are not set. This
is because FAT32 cannot store those settings, and the initial settings
are only created at install time.

3) Capacity

Both FAT32 and NTFS can support volumes beyond the 137G barrier, but
FAT32 won't allow single files to be over 2G (some contexts, 4G) in
size. Unless your software can work around this, it makes FAT32
unsuitable for DVD mastering, video or sound work, where large files
are required. For that, you may need to use NTFS.

4) Performance

FAT32 will use 4k clusters up to but not beyond 8G, so I use 7.9G for
FAT32 C: in the interests of processor paging (CPU natively pages data
in 4k chunks). NTFS uses 4k clusters, unless the (FATxx) volume was
created with an alignment that NTFS objects to; if that's the case, it
uses 512-byte clusters and that hammers performance.

NTFS has extra overhead, with regards to security attributes etc. and
when I last tested this in the Win2000 era, this made handling of
large (video editing data) files slower than FAT32.

NTFS is more efficient for large numbers of files in a single
directory, as it accesses these via an index method, wheres FATxx
plods through these in linear fashion. That should translate to
faster handling of such files, with smaller critical window during
which these large and often fragmented dirs would be corrupted.

NTFS stores the contents of small files within the file's directory
space, which makes for faster access. The downside - larger directory
size - is offset by the indexing advantage described above.

So overall, YMMV on speed when comparing FATxx vs. NTFS. They are
totally different file systems, and each has particular speed
advantages in certain contexts; the overall result depends on how
these contexts balance out. But whatever the result there, I think
concerns (1), (2) and (3) outweigh (4) in any case.
Assuming NTFS is the way to go, which procedure is recommended?

Install XP onto NTFS C:; other volumes can be NTFS or FATxx to taste.
A: convert to NTFS, backup files, install XP, restore files.

No. If the conversion fails, and you haven't backed up your files
yet...? So I'd backup first, then convert, then install XP.
B: back up files, install XP, restore files.

That's also good, if C: is NTFS at the time you install XP.
Plan B seems more straight forward, but should I be concerned about file
format?

Yes.

For me, I value safety and maintainability over quibbling about
whether Fred can fiddle with Mary's wallpaper, so I go FATxx and I
avoid NTFS except where I need support for files over 2G.

OTOH, a sysadmin trying to lock down a workstation against possibly
negligent or hostile users who have to share the same PC while who
does what is meticulously logged, would rightly tell me I'm insane and
that NTFS is the only way that per-user security is going to hold.

Strokes for folks.

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Never turn your back on an installer program
 
C

Claudio Drews

Chic

if you want to maximize the performance in your desktop, you could do the
first partition FAT32, and the second partition NTFS (bootable).
The first partition is on the fastest (most internal) area of the hdd. After
install windows xp on the second (bootable) partition NTFS, configure the
swap file to stay on the first (FAT32) partition with a predefined size
(766MB or more) and, if you have space, also configure all temp files to
this partition. This way you will see a great performance enhancement and
also will help to minimize the fragmentation on your system´s partition.
 
R

Ron Martell

Claudio Drews said:
Chic

if you want to maximize the performance in your desktop, you could do the
first partition FAT32, and the second partition NTFS (bootable).
The first partition is on the fastest (most internal) area of the hdd. After
install windows xp on the second (bootable) partition NTFS, configure the
swap file to stay on the first (FAT32) partition with a predefined size
(766MB or more) and, if you have space, also configure all temp files to
this partition. This way you will see a great performance enhancement and
also will help to minimize the fragmentation on your system´s partition.

Nope.

Paging file on the physical drive that is used to boot Windows should
always be on the boot partition on that drive. Period.

And there should only be one paging file per physical drive.

This partitioning schema that you are advocating is not optimal. For
one thing, unless the computer in question has absolutely minimal RAM
(e.g. 128 mb) then the paging file will *not* be the most frequently
accessed part of the hard drive. The Windows folder and the user
data files are far more likely to have frequent access and if anything
is optimized for disk location it should be these items.

And of course the ultimate answer to all performance related questions
regarding the paging file is to have sufficient RAM so as to
eliminate, or at least reduce to a minimum, the need to relocate
active memory content from RAM to the paging file. That will be at
least 1,000 times more effective than any possible tinkering with the
hard drive configuration.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm
 

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