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AMD Licenses Rambus Memory Patents
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1907477,00.asp?kc=ETRSS02129TX1K0000532
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1907477,00.asp?kc=ETRSS02129TX1K0000532
AMD Licenses Rambus Memory Patents
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1907477,00.asp?kc=ETRSS02129TX1K0000532
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Who was supposed to be dead? AMD or RMBS?
Around noon...
RMBS up 1.74 ( 17.93 )
AMD up 0.77 ( 31.37 )
INTC up 0.16 ( 25.12 )
Kimmy said:Who was supposed to be dead? AMD or RMBS?
Your pick.
Looks like the Rambus crowd are super-excited by the AMD deal. Running
their stock price up because of it.
Yousuf Khan
Kimmy said:I'd say neither, but I never followed rambus, I do remember folks saying
AMD would flop on the Hammer core and be a page in history.
Hmmmm the old pump and dump?
AMD Licenses Rambus Memory Patents
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1907477,00.asp?kc=ETRSS02129TX1K0000532
not only memory patents, PCIe also.
George said:It's been emphasized by Rambus that AMD hasn't gotten any memory patents at
all - it's all to do with the interface/controller side of things... though
DDR-SDRAM is curiously missing. Either AMD already had an agreement which
covered that or Rambus decided to forgo that one.
So my prediction a while back could be right - they appear to have hijacked
PCI-e. The question I have is whether it's possible to design a PCI-e
interface without Rambus PHY patents... hmm, there appear to be other
players there: Xilinx, Synopsys, Altera.... Note that, according to the
membership roster, Rambus appears not to be a member of PCI-SIG.
John Corse. He used to start debates (mostly shouting matches) about the
value of Rambus memory vs. DDR. He'd be here to pump Rambus stock. His
favourite saying was, "DDR is dead, *dead*, DEAD", in a rising voice
style. At that time, Intel was heavily leaning towards Rambus, and AMD
towards DDR, therefore to John Corse, "AMD is dead, dead, dead" too.
Later of course, Intel relented on DDR and adopted it. Rambus got
embroiled in patent disputes, and its stock price plummetted. So people
were then joking, "Rambus is dead, dead, dead".
rambus as bad as they could. Obviously, Rambus was trying to **** themFrom what I can tell, all the DRAM manufacturers really tried to ****
David said:LOL, as if the readers of comp.arch could move markets....
Unless perhaps we have a mutual fund manager reading, I rather doubt
the aggregate wealth of comp.arch readers can have any meaningful
influence on a stock that is widely traded.
rambus as bad as they could. Obviously, Rambus was trying to **** them
as well...but the timelines are really unclear to outside observers.
David said:The DRAM vendors have a decidedly poor legal reputation (look at all
the guilty pleas in the last few years and lawsuits). Rambus is
certainly as bad in some respects, except I don't think they really
started by deciding to try and kill all the DRAM vendors.
....and add a RAMBUS tax to the Microsoft and Intel tax on everyI don't believe that anyone has claimed that they wanted to "kill all
the DRAM vendors".
What Rambus (and Intel) wanted was to force everyone into using the
proprietary DRDRAM technology for all Intel-based PC's, thus
extracting their "cut" for each DRAM chip made.
hijacked?
Did Rambus ever invent anything in your opinion? All your past posts
thoughout the years about Rambus are always negative against the
company.
LOL, as if the readers of comp.arch could move markets....
Unless perhaps we have a mutual fund manager reading, I rather doubt
the aggregate wealth of comp.arch readers can have any meaningful
influence on a stock that is widely traded.
rambus as bad as they could. Obviously, Rambus was trying to **** them
as well...but the timelines are really unclear to outside observers.
The DRAM vendors have a decidedly poor legal reputation (look at all
the guilty pleas in the last few years and lawsuits). Rambus is
certainly as bad in some respects, except I don't think they really
started by deciding to try and kill all the DRAM vendors.
...and add a RAMBUS tax to the Microsoft and Intel tax on every
system sold.
George Macdonald said:Ya know when somebody challenges me like you -- especially someone who
AFAIK is posting here for the first time -- I kinda like to know who
they
are and what interests they represent. Pray tell why you feel the need
to
post anonymously on sensitive subjects.
Yep and they're not even a member of PCI-SIG. Have you ever tried to
get
some PCI, PCIX or PCI-E technical documentation? Don't tell me that
they've devised a superior solution by working in a different sandbox.
Rambus' biggest innovation was that they invented a new way to work the
patent system - this is the problem... and remains the problem: the
patent
system is broken. Technically I'm sure Rambus has had a few good
ideas -
many of the patents are obvious contrivances which should never have
been
granted patents in the first place.
No more details until you reveal your ID.
some PCI, PCIX or PCI-E technical documentation? Don't tell me that
they've devised a superior solution by working in a different sandbox.
Rambus' biggest innovation was that they invented a new way to work the
patent system - this is the problem... and remains the problem: the patent
system is broken. Technically I'm sure Rambus has had a few good ideas -
many of the patents are obvious contrivances which should never have been
granted patents in the first place.
might just as easily have been accused of (prosecuted for) price gouging
for adopting an unnecessarily high-priced technology for no effective gain
to consumers.
I don't think so, they could simply claim it was better technology...
I enjoyed the Rambus paper at ISSCC a few years ago. They were up on the
state of the art at that time, and I thought the auto switching between
4pam and nrz was pretty ingenious. I don't know if that was one of their
patents and I don't think any standard is using it. But their technology
and designers seem competent. Their managers and lawyers I don't know
about.
I hope you don't mind my secret ids
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