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Guest
I run McAfee anti-virus and firewall but have been told that it's no good, to
only trust Norton. Any opinions?
only trust Norton. Any opinions?
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Stephen
Yeah, don't trust Norton, only trust MAfee!
This is an age old argument, personally I wouldn't trust either. For 3+
years now I have been using eScan from MicroWorld www.mwti.net and have not
had a single virus come into any of the computers that I have protected with
it (100+)
I have had to clean up multiple virus attacks on machines that were supposed
to be protected with Norton's a/v - but the product is good - it has
everything to do with configuration! I have replaced evry copy of Norton
that my client's have had with eScan.
This is an age old argument, personally I wouldn't trust either. For 3+
years now I have been using eScan from MicroWorld www.mwti.net and have not
had a single virus come into any of the computers that I have protected with
it (100+)
I have had to clean up multiple virus attacks on machines that were supposed
to be protected with Norton's a/v - but the product is good - it has
everything to do with configuration! I have replaced evry copy of Norton
that my client's have had with eScan.
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Paul Smith
BruceWrapSR said:I run McAfee anti-virus and firewall but have been told that it's no good,
to
only trust Norton. Any opinions?
To be perfectly frank with you, Norton is a terrible piece of software in my
opinion. Yes it's fairly effective in what it does, but it is extremely
heavy on system resources, is very intrusive, very bloated and generally
slow. It also requires to be disabled and enabled often because it is so
intrusive it gets in the way of a lot of things.
Whenever setting up a machine for a friend I always remove Norton,
unfortunately many computer vendors have it installed out of the box. The
one case where a friend of mine kept Norton on their machine, upon them
getting a virus (which Norton did clean) however shortly after rebooting
Norton managed to nuke the Windows install some how.
For anti-virus I use AVG free edition (www.grisoft.com) for a firewall
unless you really need advanced options, and the ability to prevent
applications from sending data to the internet (which if you maintain good
discipline on what's executed you shouldn't really need), the Windows
Firewall (included with SP2) is a very good firewall.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://windows.dasmirnov.net/ Windows XP Resource Site.
*Replace nospam with smirnov to reply by e-mail*
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David H. Lipman
If you ask 100 people, you'll get almost 100 opinions.
There are detractor and proponents of both. However, to get the *best* results you should
ask in Security, FireWall and Anti Virus News Groups. Not in a General OS News Groups.
I personally would state McAfee VirusScan blows away Norton AV and to not use either's
FireWall but use Sygate or ZoneAlarm.
Dave
| I run McAfee anti-virus and firewall but have been told that it's no good, to
| only trust Norton. Any opinions?
| --
| BruceWrapSR
There are detractor and proponents of both. However, to get the *best* results you should
ask in Security, FireWall and Anti Virus News Groups. Not in a General OS News Groups.
I personally would state McAfee VirusScan blows away Norton AV and to not use either's
FireWall but use Sygate or ZoneAlarm.
Dave
| I run McAfee anti-virus and firewall but have been told that it's no good, to
| only trust Norton. Any opinions?
| --
| BruceWrapSR
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Mark
they are both good...
check pc magazines review...
http://www.pcmag.com/category2/0,1738,4796,00.asp
however there are also freeware versions such as avg that are pretty good as
well...
check pc magazines review...
http://www.pcmag.com/category2/0,1738,4796,00.asp
however there are also freeware versions such as avg that are pretty good as
well...
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Guest
I would never use either of the 2 , they both suck ...
Try this anti virus program which gives you 2 years
service , its the smart move , here the link
http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_index.php
Try this anti virus program which gives you 2 years
service , its the smart move , here the link
http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_index.php
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Guest
windows firewall is only one way. nuff said. don't trust
windows firewall
windows firewall
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lex
mcafee was reported to be allowing the government to
implement "government trojans/spyware" on users computers.
other antivirus companys said they would write cures for
this invasion by the all powerful government.
besides the government can put a box at your isp and record
all your data transfers without a court order or evidence
of a crime being commited. fascism is great. no democracy here.
implement "government trojans/spyware" on users computers.
other antivirus companys said they would write cures for
this invasion by the all powerful government.
besides the government can put a box at your isp and record
all your data transfers without a court order or evidence
of a crime being commited. fascism is great. no democracy here.
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Don Burnette
So move to Europe.
mcafee was reported to be allowing the government to
implement "government trojans/spyware" on users computers.
other antivirus companys said they would write cures for
this invasion by the all powerful government.
besides the government can put a box at your isp and record
all your data transfers without a court order or evidence
of a crime being commited. fascism is great. no democracy here.
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Al Smith
For anti-virus I use AVG free edition (www.grisoft.com) for a firewall
Wish it were so about the Windows XP firewall but it just isn't.
All sorts of programs try to connect to remote sites on the
Internet. It's amazing how many. You only realize they are doing
it when you have them monitored and blocked with a real firewall,
that blocks both ways. If you use just the Windows XP firewall,
you will remain blissfully, and fatally, ignorant of this
subversive activity. Good discipline isn't going to stop them
trying to connect behind your back.
unless you really need advanced options, and the ability to prevent
applications from sending data to the internet (which if you maintain good
discipline on what's executed you shouldn't really need), the Windows
Firewall (included with SP2) is a very good firewall.
Wish it were so about the Windows XP firewall but it just isn't.
All sorts of programs try to connect to remote sites on the
Internet. It's amazing how many. You only realize they are doing
it when you have them monitored and blocked with a real firewall,
that blocks both ways. If you use just the Windows XP firewall,
you will remain blissfully, and fatally, ignorant of this
subversive activity. Good discipline isn't going to stop them
trying to connect behind your back.
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Rock
lex said:mcafee was reported to be allowing the government to
implement "government trojans/spyware" on users computers.
other antivirus companys said they would write cures for
this invasion by the all powerful government.
besides the government can put a box at your isp and record
all your data transfers without a court order or evidence
of a crime being commited. fascism is great. no democracy here.
that it's no good, to
Go enjoy the same level of freedom elsewhere.
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Alias
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Paul Smith
Wish it were so about the Windows XP firewall but it just isn't. All sorts
of programs try to connect to remote sites on the Internet. It's amazing
how many. You only realize they are doing it when you have them monitored
and blocked with a real firewall, that blocks both ways. If you use just
the Windows XP firewall, you will remain blissfully, and fatally, ignorant
of this subversive activity. Good discipline isn't going to stop them
trying to connect behind your back.
Give some examples?
Oh no my print spooler is looking up it's domain name from my ISP, woah big
problem. Yeah let's block things that shouldn't be blocked then wonder why
nothing works properly.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://windows.dasmirnov.net/ Windows XP Resource Site.
*Replace nospam with smirnov to reply by e-mail*
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Al Smith
Wish it were so about the Windows XP firewall but it just isn't. All sorts
You are a trusting soul, aren't you? Marketers, spammers, trojan
writers and Microsoft love people like you.
Sure, it is more work to do tasks manually, rather than to allow
Windows and other programs to do them automatically, behind your
back. It takes some computer savvy. But I'm sure you could learn
how if you tried. It's the only way to prevent programs from
automatically doing things you don't want done.
Give some examples?
Oh no my print spooler is looking up it's domain name from my ISP, woah big
problem. Yeah let's block things that shouldn't be blocked then wonder why
nothing works properly.
You are a trusting soul, aren't you? Marketers, spammers, trojan
writers and Microsoft love people like you.
Sure, it is more work to do tasks manually, rather than to allow
Windows and other programs to do them automatically, behind your
back. It takes some computer savvy. But I'm sure you could learn
how if you tried. It's the only way to prevent programs from
automatically doing things you don't want done.
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Alex Nichol
BruceWrapSR said:I run McAfee anti-virus and firewall but have been told that it's no good, to
only trust Norton. Any opinions?
Personally I would not have either any where near any machine I have
dealings with. There are other very good products, and you can get a
good set for free; eg
Antivirus: AVG 6 from www.grisoft.com
Firewall: Zone Alarm (free version) www.zonelabsc.om
Or at the moment a free years trial of that with the excellent eTrust AV
as EzArmor from www.my-etrust.com/microsoft/
Anti Spyware
AdAware SE from www.lavasoft.com
SpyBot from http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html
And others. None of which push damaging tentacles into the system
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David H. Lipman
Please fix your URL for Adware SE.
The URL is http://www.lavasoftusa.com/
Dave
| BruceWrapSR wrote:
|
| >I run McAfee anti-virus and firewall but have been told that it's no good, to
| >only trust Norton. Any opinions?
|
| Personally I would not have either any where near any machine I have
| dealings with. There are other very good products, and you can get a
| good set for free; eg
| Antivirus: AVG 6 from www.grisoft.com
| Firewall: Zone Alarm (free version) www.zonelabsc.om
| Or at the moment a free years trial of that with the excellent eTrust AV
| as EzArmor from www.my-etrust.com/microsoft/
|
| Anti Spyware
| AdAware SE from www.lavasoft.com
| SpyBot from http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html
|
| And others. None of which push damaging tentacles into the system
|
|
| --
| Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
| Bournemouth, U.K. (e-mail address removed)8E8L.org (remove the D8 bit)
The URL is http://www.lavasoftusa.com/
Dave
| BruceWrapSR wrote:
|
| >I run McAfee anti-virus and firewall but have been told that it's no good, to
| >only trust Norton. Any opinions?
|
| Personally I would not have either any where near any machine I have
| dealings with. There are other very good products, and you can get a
| good set for free; eg
| Antivirus: AVG 6 from www.grisoft.com
| Firewall: Zone Alarm (free version) www.zonelabsc.om
| Or at the moment a free years trial of that with the excellent eTrust AV
| as EzArmor from www.my-etrust.com/microsoft/
|
| Anti Spyware
| AdAware SE from www.lavasoft.com
| SpyBot from http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html
|
| And others. None of which push damaging tentacles into the system
|
|
| --
| Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
| Bournemouth, U.K. (e-mail address removed)8E8L.org (remove the D8 bit)
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Paul Smith
You are a trusting soul, aren't you? Marketers, spammers, trojan writers
and Microsoft love people like you.
I'm hardly worried about my print spooler connecting to my ISP's name
servers, heck may be I should just change my network config to connect to
the name server I run locally, may be even that would be bad?
Sure, it is more work to do tasks manually, rather than to allow Windows
and other programs to do them automatically, behind your back. It takes
some computer savvy. But I'm sure you could learn how if you tried. It's
the only way to prevent programs from automatically doing things you don't
want done.
If you actually bothered to check your outgoing logs you'll find most of the
things requesting internet access, are simply connecting to your ISP's DNS
servers, or looking over the local network for services, well that is of
course assuming that you don't have trojans and other pieces of malicious
code on your machine.
You also haven't bothered to mention some applications that like to make
connections to the internet without asking. I'm still waiting. My server
logs all incoming and outgoing traffic, and surprise surprise the only
applications requiring net access are - ta'da the normal ones I'd expect.
The way you make it sound is as if every machine has hundreds of
applications that are trying to do suspicious things behind your back.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://windows.dasmirnov.net/ Windows XP Resource Site.
*Replace nospam with smirnov to reply by e-mail*
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David H. Lipman
Based upon the responces....
Do you see what I mean ?
Dave
| If you ask 100 people, you'll get almost 100 opinions.
Do you see what I mean ?
Dave
| If you ask 100 people, you'll get almost 100 opinions.
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Ken Blake
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You can be told many things, and if you ask enough people, you
probably will be.
Besides McAfee and Norton, there are some half a dozen or so
other vendors in the anti-virus and firewall markets, and every
one of them has its partisans. Many people seem to have a
quasi-religious fervor about what software products they use, and
it often comes out most strongly in anti-virus programs.
Personally I use Norton Anti-Virus and the free version of the
ZoneAlarm firewall. I've been very happy with both. Others will
tell you terrible each of these is. My perspective is that most
of the choices available are probably decent and work well. I
don't use NAV and ZA because I'm necessarily persuaded that they
are the absolute best and everything else is terrible, but
because I've been using them for some time, they work well, and I
see no reason to change.
I suggest you stick with what you have.
BruceWrapSR said:I run McAfee anti-virus and firewall but have been told that
it's no
good, to only trust Norton. Any opinions?
You can be told many things, and if you ask enough people, you
probably will be.
Besides McAfee and Norton, there are some half a dozen or so
other vendors in the anti-virus and firewall markets, and every
one of them has its partisans. Many people seem to have a
quasi-religious fervor about what software products they use, and
it often comes out most strongly in anti-virus programs.
Personally I use Norton Anti-Virus and the free version of the
ZoneAlarm firewall. I've been very happy with both. Others will
tell you terrible each of these is. My perspective is that most
of the choices available are probably decent and work well. I
don't use NAV and ZA because I'm necessarily persuaded that they
are the absolute best and everything else is terrible, but
because I've been using them for some time, they work well, and I
see no reason to change.
I suggest you stick with what you have.
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Al Smith
You also haven't bothered to mention some applications that like to make
Well, let's see. I have a few games on my hard drive. Two of them
("Vampire: the Masquerade" and "Undying") try to connect to the
Internet when they are started, even though I am not playing
on-line and have not activated on-line play options. Is this
necessarily anything sinister? Probably not. Do I want my computer
games linking to remote servers and talking behind my back while
I'm playing? No.
My Logitech mouseware tries to connect to the Internet. Why? Who
knows. I block it on principle. It's got no business trying.
Another program I've noticed trying to connect is Easy Cleaner.
Every time I start it, an attempt is made by the main executable
to link to the Internet. I've unchecked everything that might
cause this to happen, but it happens anyway. Again, probably
nothing sinister, but since I don't know why it is trying to
connect, I consider it prudent to deny it the connection.
And why do you automatically assume that you don't have trojans
running on your system? What makes you immune to human error? I
agree, if a person is careful the risk of getting a trojan is
slight, but the risk is not zero. A true firewall that blocks
outgoing calls will often reveal the presence of a trojan that
hides from scanners.
I would probably be fairly safe without a firewall, because I have
Windows XP stripped down to its bare essentials. Nothing I don't
actually need to run is running. I don't use IE or Outlook Express
at all for anything. However, I rely on a firewall to save me from
my own over confidence, and from my inevitable errors.
connections to the internet without asking. I'm still waiting. My server
logs all incoming and outgoing traffic, and surprise surprise the only
applications requiring net access are - ta'da the normal ones I'd expect.
Well, let's see. I have a few games on my hard drive. Two of them
("Vampire: the Masquerade" and "Undying") try to connect to the
Internet when they are started, even though I am not playing
on-line and have not activated on-line play options. Is this
necessarily anything sinister? Probably not. Do I want my computer
games linking to remote servers and talking behind my back while
I'm playing? No.
My Logitech mouseware tries to connect to the Internet. Why? Who
knows. I block it on principle. It's got no business trying.
Another program I've noticed trying to connect is Easy Cleaner.
Every time I start it, an attempt is made by the main executable
to link to the Internet. I've unchecked everything that might
cause this to happen, but it happens anyway. Again, probably
nothing sinister, but since I don't know why it is trying to
connect, I consider it prudent to deny it the connection.
And why do you automatically assume that you don't have trojans
running on your system? What makes you immune to human error? I
agree, if a person is careful the risk of getting a trojan is
slight, but the risk is not zero. A true firewall that blocks
outgoing calls will often reveal the presence of a trojan that
hides from scanners.
I would probably be fairly safe without a firewall, because I have
Windows XP stripped down to its bare essentials. Nothing I don't
actually need to run is running. I don't use IE or Outlook Express
at all for anything. However, I rely on a firewall to save me from
my own over confidence, and from my inevitable errors.
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