No way to turn off Windows Messenger - no matter what

[Big Mac]

So, after trying, and trying out a suggestion or two, I have found out
that there is no way to turn off Windows Messenger in XP Home. (We
are talking Windows Messenger, not MSN Messenger. But they use the
same contacts and channels it would seem).

In Windows Messenger, I've unchecked the boxe in front of "Run
Messenger in the Background" and unchecked "Load Windows Messenger
when Windows Starts".

But still, with my friend, using MSN Messenger, sees me as being
online, and can send me a message, which I receive in Windows
Messenger (not in MSN Messenger where he sends it from - I don't have
MSN fired up).

Yes, I could go into the options and remove him from my list as being
allowed to see me if I am online. But, ( # 1 ) will that mess up my
setting in MSN Messenger? Yes I do want him to see me as being online
*if* and only if I fire up MSN Messenger.

And ( # 2 ), that's beside the point. The point is Windows Messenger
is always running and there is no way to shut it off. It is using up
bandwidth from my dial up account.

Guessing here: Windows Messenger then must be being used by Windows
XP to transfer information to me, or between Microsoft and me, or
between whoever - like maybe for Windows updates and stuff? (Which I
have shut off - I'll get an update when I hear about it, probably
hear about it here in usenet).

So who has info to enlighten me about Windows Messenger an XP.?

 

[Piper]

So, after trying, and trying out a suggestion or two, I have found out
that there is no way to turn off Windows Messenger in XP Home. (We
are talking Windows Messenger, not MSN Messenger. But they use the
same contacts and channels it would seem).

In Windows Messenger, I've unchecked the boxe in front of "Run
Messenger in the Background" and unchecked "Load Windows Messenger
when Windows Starts".

But still, with my friend, using MSN Messenger, sees me as being
online, and can send me a message, which I receive in Windows
Messenger (not in MSN Messenger where he sends it from - I don't have
MSN fired up).

Yes, I could go into the options and remove him from my list as being
allowed to see me if I am online. But, ( # 1 ) will that mess up my
setting in MSN Messenger? Yes I do want him to see me as being online
*if* and only if I fire up MSN Messenger.

And ( # 2 ), that's beside the point. The point is Windows Messenger
is always running and there is no way to shut it off. It is using up
bandwidth from my dial up account.

Guessing here: Windows Messenger then must be being used by Windows
XP to transfer information to me, or between Microsoft and me, or
between whoever - like maybe for Windows updates and stuff? (Which I
have shut off - I'll get an update when I hear about it, probably
hear about it here in usenet).

So who has info to enlighten me about Windows Messenger an XP.?

I removed it from my machine by using Add Remove Programs in the
Control Panel, then installed MSN Messenger. I don't understand why
you are having so much trouble.

 

[Drude]

So, after trying, and trying out a suggestion or two, I have found out
that there is no way to turn off Windows Messenger in XP Home. (We
are talking Windows Messenger, not MSN Messenger. But they use the
same contacts and channels it would seem).

In Windows Messenger, I've unchecked the boxe in front of "Run
Messenger in the Background" and unchecked "Load Windows Messenger
when Windows Starts".

But still, with my friend, using MSN Messenger, sees me as being
online, and can send me a message, which I receive in Windows
Messenger (not in MSN Messenger where he sends it from - I don't have
MSN fired up).

Yes, I could go into the options and remove him from my list as being
allowed to see me if I am online. But, ( # 1 ) will that mess up my
setting in MSN Messenger? Yes I do want him to see me as being online
*if* and only if I fire up MSN Messenger.

And ( # 2 ), that's beside the point. The point is Windows Messenger
is always running and there is no way to shut it off. It is using up
bandwidth from my dial up account.

Guessing here: Windows Messenger then must be being used by Windows
XP to transfer information to me, or between Microsoft and me, or
between whoever - like maybe for Windows updates and stuff? (Which I
have shut off - I'll get an update when I hear about it, probably
hear about it here in usenet).

So who has info to enlighten me about Windows Messenger an XP.?

Install 'Messenger Disable' (search by name). It's a small program that
will allow you to disable messenger, stop it from running with Outlook
Express, or completely remove it from your system. I used it to completely
remove the annoying thing from my PC...worked fine.

Drude

 

[relic]

So, after trying, and trying out a suggestion or two, I have found out
that there is no way to turn off Windows Messenger in XP Home. (We
are talking Windows Messenger, not MSN Messenger. But they use the
same contacts and channels it would seem).

In Windows Messenger, I've unchecked the boxe in front of "Run
Messenger in the Background" and unchecked "Load Windows Messenger
when Windows Starts".

But still, with my friend, using MSN Messenger, sees me as being
online, and can send me a message, which I receive in Windows
Messenger (not in MSN Messenger where he sends it from - I don't have
MSN fired up).

Yes, I could go into the options and remove him from my list as being
allowed to see me if I am online. But, ( # 1 ) will that mess up my
setting in MSN Messenger? Yes I do want him to see me as being online
*if* and only if I fire up MSN Messenger.

And ( # 2 ), that's beside the point. The point is Windows Messenger
is always running and there is no way to shut it off. It is using up
bandwidth from my dial up account.

Guessing here: Windows Messenger then must be being used by Windows
XP to transfer information to me, or between Microsoft and me, or
between whoever - like maybe for Windows updates and stuff? (Which I
have shut off - I'll get an update when I hear about it, probably
hear about it here in usenet).

So who has info to enlighten me about Windows Messenger an XP.?

The option for it to not start with XP's startup works, the problem is it
starting with OE even when you have that 'disabled'. Use this script from
Doug Knox:
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/xp_hide_messenger.htm

 

[relic]

I removed it from my machine by using Add Remove Programs in the
Control Panel, then installed MSN Messenger. I don't understand why
you are having so much trouble.

Lots of people don't want MSN Messenger, and prefer to use XP's Windows
Messenger. I'm one of them because a lot of the capabilities in Windows
Messenger is not in MSN Messenger.

It's pretty easy to understand why he is having problems; Windows Messenger
starts with OE even if you 'disable' it from starting thanks to a recent
update. There's a script to fix it available that I gave the OP.

 

[Bad Wind]

Just a thought, do you have the contacts pane enabled? This will fire up
Windows messenger if you do.

Uncheck the contacts pane in the view options and you should be able to
supress WMessenger.

Good luck

 

[Piper]

Lots of people don't want MSN Messenger, and prefer to use XP's Windows
Messenger. I'm one of them because a lot of the capabilities in Windows
Messenger is not in MSN Messenger.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

 

[Big Mac]

Ok. I god darned KNEW I had read something about this before. Maybe
the info is wrong. But now you know why I was cautious about removing
Windows Messenger.

Simply "disabling" it seems ok. But removing it, like some of you
have apparently done. doesn't seem like a good idea.

And especially to you: "Trollslayer@thecave" <[email protected],
you obnoxious piece of irritating crap, here's something I just read
in another newsgroup.

--------------------------------- begin:
Subject: Re: removal of Windows Messenger

You can completely remove Windows Messenger (4.7) but if you do, you
will be preventing Remote Assistance, Whiteboard, Application Sharing
and any other applications that utilize Messenger from working (or
loading without problems). Instead (and this should solve your
problem), you should simply disable it.

To do so, open it up, click Tools, Options, Preferences tab and
unchecking 'Run this Program when Windows starts' or 'Run Windows
Messenger when Windows starts' (depending on version). As well, you
can disable it further by going to Start, Control Panel, Add or Remove
Programs, Add/Remove Windows Components on the left, uncheck Windows
Messenger in the components list and click Next >. Note: this is
only available if you've installed Windows XP Service Pack 1 -- if you
haven't, visit
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com. This won't remove Windows
Messenger, but it will let it stay out of your way.

However, if you really want to remove it completely, for Windows
Messenger 4.7, close down Messenger if it's running (right click the
messenger icon in the notification area/system tray and click close).
Then click the start button, then click Run and type in (copy-paste
if you like): RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
%windir%\INF\msmsgs.inf,BLC.Remove

Then click OK.
Messenger will then be uninstalled. For more detailed instructions
and screenshots, go to,
http://messenger.jonathankay.com/problem.aspx?ID=7
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

 

[relic]

Ok. I god darned KNEW I had read something about this before. Maybe
the info is wrong. But now you know why I was cautious about removing
Windows Messenger.

<snip blah blah blah>

You were told all of the same stuff a couple days ago. You're just too dense
to understand unless it's written in small words. Please buy yourself a
"Windows for Dummies" book and leave us alone.

 

[Test Man]

Not in my case, got new PC, all I did was install WM5 and go to the options
and take off the first two options on the General tab and it no longer comes
up when OE is loaded, even with the contact pane up.

 

[Big Mac]

You were told all of the same stuff a couple days ago. You're just too dense
to understand unless it's written in small words. Please buy yourself a
"Windows for Dummies" book and leave us alone.

Man. Some of you people are such idiots. Told the same stuff? WTF
are you talking about? What stuff? I have so far been told 7
different things.

Let's see... So far I have been told:

This thread:

(1) to remove Windows messenger from system completely using the
add/remove thingy. (see # 6 below)

(2) to go to a web site and get a Windows Messenger removal tool
which would completely remove it from your system. (see # 6
below)

(3) to disable "Messenger" in Administrative Tools
(come to find out this word "Messenger" listed there has
nothing to do with Windows Messenger or MSN Messenger.
It is something completely different and used by other stuff)

(4) to go into Windows Messenger and choose the setting "do not run
when Windows starts" and "do not run in background"
(Windows messenger Still is active and auto logs you on when
you start IE Explorer)

(5) To go to a web site and get a program that would stop Window
Messenger from loading up when you start Internet Explorer, but
it would still be able to be used if you started it up
(this made the most sense)

I have also been read in another thread:

(6) "You can completely remove Windows Messenger (4.7) but if you do,
you will be preventing Remote Assistance, Whiteboard,
Application Sharing and any other applications that utilize
Messenger from working (or loading without problems). Instead
(and this should solve your problem), you should simply
disable it."

(7) to go into add/remove, choose "Windows Components" (on the left),
and uncheck the box in front of Windows Messenger.

So I have been told I am a stupid ass for saying I'll wait a few days
before I immediately acted (using whatever method). Now you tell me
to get a Windows for Dummies book. Way way off base, brother...

(Yes, of course, "Windows for Dummies" would cover removing or
disabling Windows Messenger (which to choose) , and reasons why or why
not to, and why Windows Messenger auto runs in the 1st place and is
not easily turned off).

 

[Trollslayer@thecave]

Without thinking

Man. Some of you people are such idiots. Told the same stuff? WTF
are you talking about? What stuff? I have so far been told 7
different things.

Let's see... So far I have been told:

This thread:

(1) to remove Windows messenger from system completely using the
add/remove thingy. (see # 6 below)

(2) to go to a web site and get a Windows Messenger removal tool
which would completely remove it from your system. (see # 6
below)

(3) to disable "Messenger" in Administrative Tools
(come to find out this word "Messenger" listed there has
nothing to do with Windows Messenger or MSN Messenger.
It is something completely different and used by other stuff)

(4) to go into Windows Messenger and choose the setting "do not run
when Windows starts" and "do not run in background"
(Windows messenger Still is active and auto logs you on when
you start IE Explorer)

(5) To go to a web site and get a program that would stop Window
Messenger from loading up when you start Internet Explorer, but
it would still be able to be used if you started it up
(this made the most sense)

I have also been read in another thread:

(6) "You can completely remove Windows Messenger (4.7) but if you do,
you will be preventing Remote Assistance, Whiteboard,
Application Sharing and any other applications that utilize
Messenger from working (or loading without problems). Instead
(and this should solve your problem), you should simply
disable it."

(7) to go into add/remove, choose "Windows Components" (on the left),
and uncheck the box in front of Windows Messenger.

So I have been told I am a stupid ass for saying I'll wait a few days
before I immediately acted (using whatever method). Now you tell me
to get a Windows for Dummies book. Way way off base, brother...

(Yes, of course, "Windows for Dummies" would cover removing or
disabling Windows Messenger (which to choose) , and reasons why or why
not to, and why Windows Messenger auto runs in the 1st place and is
not easily turned off).

Buh bye!

 

[TehGhodTrole]

Man. Some of you people are such idiots.

[snip odd notions]

The reason that you have been given such a load of crap and have not been
told what of that, if any, is correct, is because your first reply to a
respected member of this group was out of line and quite rude. Those of us
who actually know what we are talking about, and there are three or four of
us, including relic, tend to "stick together" in the times we are faced with
pricks like you. We merely leave you to fall victim to the mad warblings of
the peanut gallery then have a good laugh at your impotent expense.
Congratulations, that's what you got.

 

[Big Mac]

Buh bye!

Well if you have to go, then go.

 

[TehGhodTrole]

Well if you have to go, then go.

*yawn* another lamer in the endless parade of nitwits tries to make his
mark.

 

[Big Mac]

The reason that you have been given such a load of crap and have not been
told what of that, if any, is correct, is because your first reply to a
respected member of this group was out of line and quite rude. Those of us
who actually know what we are talking about, and there are three or four of
us, including relic, tend to "stick together" in the times we are faced with
pricks like you. We merely leave you to fall victim to the mad warblings of
the peanut gallery then have a good laugh at your impotent expense.
Congratulations, that's what you got.

I won't call you stupid or anything else, because though your post
also is attacking me personally, it is based on something you don't
know about.. I only responded to a personal attack on me.

I would NEVER start up like that with someone, unless they first went
after me.. Never. It's not in my nature. Perhaps relic's reply,
attacking me, was based on my reply to Trollslayer, and relic also
didn't know what Trollslayer had written to me. All three of you have
called me names, or stupid, or whatever, in yoyrv replies to me.. It
all started with Trollslayer's reply to me from another newsgroup::

:---------------------------- begin reply to me
From (e-mail address removed) Tue Feb 17 13:01:00 2004

Would you just remove the ****ing thing already? Enough with
the whiney "is it ok?" You've read the article at dougknox. Do as
it says and remove it or don't. A simple google search would have
told you everything you EVER wanted to know about this. But NO!
You come here and whine.
Now FROAD in the most painful manner possible.

---------------------- end reply to me

And of course, you know this one from this thread that I just
responded to:

---------------------- begin reply to me:
From (e-mail address removed) Wed Feb 18 14:01:50 2004

You were told all of the same stuff a couple days ago. You're just
too dense to understand unless it's written in small words. Please
buy yourself a "Windows for Dummies" book and leave us alone.

------------------- end reply to me

I don't read the Bible - I hear there is something in there about
turning the other cheek. I can't follow that.. I guess I'd make a
lousy Christian...

 

[TehGhodTrole]

I won't call you stupid or anything else,

Why not? You've done it to everyone else.

because though your post
also is attacking me personally,

Stating the facts plainly and telling you that you were left to fall victim
to the mad warblings of the peanut gallery is a personal attack, is it?
Since when?

it is based on something you don't
know about..

Don't you dare deign to tell me what I do and do not know, you supercillious
nitwit.

I only responded to a personal attack on me.

I would NEVER start up like that with someone, unless they first went
after me.. Never. It's not in my nature.

Really? Please explain...

"Man. Some of you people are such idiots. Told the same stuff? WTF"

Perhaps relic's reply,
attacking me, was based on my reply to Trollslayer, and relic also
didn't know what Trollslayer had written to me. All three of you have
called me names, or stupid, or whatever, in yoyrv replies to me.. It
all started with Trollslayer's reply to me from another newsgroup::

Perhaps it's your weak personality that causes you to blubber excuses like a
child caught being naughty. So, how long have you suffered this propensity
to languor? You are taking stabilising medicines, aren't you? Maybe you're
right. It's not in your nature... when you've had your meds.

 

[TehGhodTrole]

As they say, it takes one to know one... Yawn...

Oh look, another one went past. Top posting too.

 

[d2004xx]

So, after trying, and trying out a suggestion or two, I have found out
that there is no way to turn off Windows Messenger in XP Home. (We
are talking Windows Messenger, not MSN Messenger. But they use the
same contacts and channels it would seem).

In Windows Messenger, I've unchecked the boxe in front of "Run
Messenger in the Background" and unchecked "Load Windows Messenger
when Windows Starts".

But still, with my friend, using MSN Messenger, sees me as being
online, and can send me a message, which I receive in Windows
Messenger (not in MSN Messenger where he sends it from - I don't have
MSN fired up).

Yes, I could go into the options and remove him from my list as being
allowed to see me if I am online. But, ( # 1 ) will that mess up my
setting in MSN Messenger? Yes I do want him to see me as being online
*if* and only if I fire up MSN Messenger.

And ( # 2 ), that's beside the point. The point is Windows Messenger
is always running and there is no way to shut it off. It is using up
bandwidth from my dial up account.

Guessing here: Windows Messenger then must be being used by Windows
XP to transfer information to me, or between Microsoft and me, or
between whoever - like maybe for Windows updates and stuff? (Which I
have shut off - I'll get an update when I hear about it, probably
hear about it here in usenet).

So who has info to enlighten me about Windows Messenger an XP.?

Remove the ****ing directory "C:\Program Files\Messenger"

 

[TehGhodTrole]

I top post...

Good for you. Do you also do suicide?