Nikon Color Profile

H

hpowen

When I attempt to use NikonScan with color management turned off, or
when I leave color management on and choose "Scanner RGB" as the color
profile, the resulting images have an embedded sRGB profile attached.
Is this a flaw in the software or not? How should I treat the resulting
file in Photoshop?
 
A

AS

In PS you should assign the propper scanner profile and afterwards convert
to AdobeRGB. Please, correct me, if I'm wrong.
 
J

Jim

When I attempt to use NikonScan with color management turned off, or
when I leave color management on and choose "Scanner RGB" as the color
profile, the resulting images have an embedded sRGB profile attached.
Is this a flaw in the software or not? How should I treat the resulting
file in Photoshop?
It must be a flaw in the software because NikonScan 3.0 and 3.1 would not
imbed any profile. I found that upgrade to 3.1.2 resulted in the condition
you described.
I solved my problem by going to Vuescan.
Jim
 
H

hpowen

AS wrote:
Please, correct me, if I'm wrong

Well, I cant't correct you because I'm the one asking the question. :)

Maybe someone else will jump in and shed some light. Regarding the
software flaw, I seem to recall Nikon blaming this on Windows but
couldn't remember for sure.
 
A

AS

AS wrote:
Please, correct me, if I'm wrong

Well, I cant't correct you because I'm the one asking the question. :)

Maybe someone else will jump in and shed some light.

That's what I was expecting, too.

Regarding the
software flaw, I seem to recall Nikon blaming this on Windows but
couldn't remember for sure.

I just ment it as a way to solve it. So far, it seems it works for me. I
have tried it with a calibration target with a flatbed scanner (haven't at
negative film target) after have made a custom profile for the scanner.
After the described profile change the colors look trustworthy in comparison
with the target..
 
H

hpowen

I found this in the Nikon folder:
a) Open the Color Management tab of the Preference setting.
b) Turn on the "Nikon color management system" check box on the
dialog.
c) Open the "RGB" tab.
d) Select the "Scanner RGB" for the calibrated RGB color. When
Scanner RGB is selected, an ICC profile tag will not be embedded with
the image file when the file is saved.

SO if Nikon is to be believed, the images scanned using their procedure
do not have an embedded profile even though Photoshop says they do.
Further, Windows rejects all the Nikon Profiles on my system as invalid
when I try to install them. I seem to be having good luck by just
assigning AdobeRGB to the images as I open them.

Comments?
 
J

John

I found this in the Nikon folder:
a) Open the Color Management tab of the Preference setting.
b) Turn on the "Nikon color management system" check box on the
dialog.
c) Open the "RGB" tab.
d) Select the "Scanner RGB" for the calibrated RGB color. When
Scanner RGB is selected, an ICC profile tag will not be embedded with
the image file when the file is saved.

SO if Nikon is to be believed, the images scanned using their procedure
do not have an embedded profile even though Photoshop says they do.
Further, Windows rejects all the Nikon Profiles on my system as invalid
when I try to install them. I seem to be having good luck by just
assigning AdobeRGB to the images as I open them.

Comments?
If you import an untagged image into Photoshop with 'Preserve Embedded
Profiles' enabled in your colour management setup, Photoshop will tag that
file with your default RGB (in this case) profile. You can prove this by
changing your default RGB space to something else - your imported files from
the Nikon will then be tagged with that profile. It also happens if you
import untagged files from a PDF. Photoshop does not give you the usual
warnings about missing profiles as it does when you *OPEN* a file (as
opposed to *IMPORT*). If there is logic there, I don't understand it.

Nikon supply various profiles with NikonScan which, as you say, are not
accepted by Photoshop - I think these are designed for Nikon's proprietry
and seemingly non-standard colour management system. There is one profile
which I have found to work, which is the one that (on Windows systems) gets
installed in the C:\WINNT\system32\spool\drivers\color folder - called
NKLS4000LS40.icm in the case of the Coolscan 4000. (Look for a profile that
doesn't have underscore anything in the name. You can't use it as your RGB
working space but you can assign it to your images.

Hope this helps.
 
H

hpowen

There is one profile which I have found to work, which is the one that
(on Windows systems) gets installed in the
C:\WINNT\system32\spool\drivers\color folder - called NKLS4000LS40.icm
in the case of the Coolscan 4000. (Look for a profile that doesn't have
underscore anything in the name. You can't use it as your RGB working
space but you can assign it to your images.
Hope this helps.

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It does. Thanks.
 

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