newsflash: panic at redmond!

[progressive realization]

After the long awaited release of ie7, a huge outcry from users around the
word is forcing Microsoft to rethink its strategy for interface designs.
The final release of ie7 was no less than a disaster... "we needed more time
to rethink the gui, but 5 years was not enough time."

Microsoft decided to not push the browser with autoupate as planned in
November afraid that such an action would create worldwide chaos.

'We are sorry for our mistakes, even I use firefox", said the head of ie7
design. "We had to use the public for our beta testing, and although some
may complain that saying that ie7 was final was unethical, our interest is
in creating a superior product"

"Please don't think that ie7 is bad. Get ready for more surprises with
Vista"





note: the above is fiction that reflects true situations

 

[Guest]

Panic by stupid people
After spending their spare time blasting everything that Microsoft does,
there are stupid people who will wake up to the fact that their life is full
of empty hate of corporations that are just doing their job. These stupid
people like "progressive realization" realized that they could be spending
their time helping others like the Boys & Girls Clubs, working at a homeless
shelter, volunteering at a hospital, or working with a religious
organizations to help others in need.

But no, "progressive realization" has to spend their time writing blah,
blah, blah, on sites like this. To bad "progressive realization", you are a
loser. Go ahead and use Firefox, but could you just go off and use that
excellent browser.

Or, you could study IE 7 design, and modify the UI yourself so that it is
better. Make it more accessible for the handicap, elderly, vision impaired
and so forth.

You could learn and advise others on how to use the IE 7 or change the UI,
but you won't, because you hate, hate, hate.

But no you won't, you will simply spend your time repeating your weak little
script on multiple websites because you hate, hate, hate Microsoft so much.
Well, I hope your mommy is fixing you your favorite sandwich for lunch, I am
sure she loves you. I just find you boring.

 

[progressive realization]

You are viewing things from a very narrow perspective.
People are not single dimensional as you may think.
There is no hate involved....
I am just reflecting with humor what many people are telling me, and you can
also see this in this newsgroup.

So what's your problem? If you don't want to read different opinions to your
own, avoid reading newsgroups.

 

[Guest]

Something is wrong with this picture.

You claim Jimbo is taking a "...narrow perspective...." No where in his
response did I see him indicate his opinion was the "good" opinion contrary
to the implications in your post that IE7 is "bad" so everyone should agree
with you. Rather I like or dislike IE7 is immaterial - that is simply my
opinion and does not make IE7 "good" or "bad", what makes it "good" is if you
personally like it, "bad" if you personally dislike it - not if I dislike it.

While I have a pretty large ego, I do not delude myself that my opinion is
"fact" simply because I thought it - I knocked off my pedestal a long time
ago. Kinda of like the saying "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". My wife
of 30 years is the beauty in my eyes, in your eyes she might not be such a
beauty - that is you opinion and you have a right to believe that. What you
do not have the right to do is to be-little me for my opinion.

I can understand someone not liking IE7 or Vista or superduper something.
Why not simple say post "I do not like it" rather than posting something that
implies anyone liking xyz is deficient. That is what your original post
implied with the "panic" garbage.

 

[Mamamegs]

It happens that progressive realization formulated :

You are viewing things from a very narrow perspective.
People are not single dimensional as you may think.
There is no hate involved....
I am just reflecting with humor what many people are telling me, and
you can also see this in this newsgroup.

So what's your problem? If you don't want to read different opinions
to your own, avoid reading newsgroups.

It seems to me that if you are scepical of some of the things that MS
does and vent your views in this newsgroup, you have to be prepared to
get ridiculed. Apparently one is not allowed to dislike features in
Vista, Office 2007 or IE7. You will be made out to be a whining baby
and
the general reaction are "either you like it or lump it" or "go and try
Linux".
Please, let people be intitled to *their* view or opinion, without the
smug sneers.

--
Mamamegs.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.
(Adam Savage)

Nederlandse nieuwsgroep voor Vista
alt.nl.os.windows.vista

(e-mail address removed)

 

[Barney]

So what's your problem? If you don't want to read different opinions
to your own, avoid reading newsgroups.

I came to this NG to learn more about IE7 not read opinions about which
browser is better. I use FF myself but know it better then IE7. When I
want to learn something about FireFox, I go to dedicated groups for it.
I'm sure there are NGs dedicated to "bashing" just about any software.

 

[Bill Frisbee]

Looking at things from a narrow perspective???

Pot meet Kettle...


Bill F.

 

[Barney]

'We are sorry for our mistakes, even I use firefox", said the head of
ie7 design.

I wonder why "you" would post this using a Microsoft product. Ther are a
great better non-ms newsreaders out there and you don't need MS to use
them. Not even Windows.

It is interesting that those "quotes" you use, weren't submitted from
the source.

 

[Tom Willett]

Barney: That's how trolls like progressive realization operate.

 

[Barney]

Barney: That's how trolls like progressive realization operate.

Yes, hypocrite that probably considers himself/herself smarter then a
rock.

 

[Guest]

Did not mean to imply that you shouldn't post "Progressive realization",
rather be more focused and mature.

 

[Guest]

While I do respect your opinion, and your personal right to agree or disagree
with the Microsoft Corperation, or to agree, or disagree, with those who may
agree or disagree with the Microsoft Coperation, I must interject this into
the conversation.

Progressive Realization's bad name comes not only from this post, but from
other posts as well. Saying you disagree with something is fine. Hell, I can
give a list of things that I do not like about Vista, IE7, and Office 2007.
the reason I don't post more negative posts is because I don't have a better
idea or a better suggestion.

I offer help to people and ideas as I can, all knowing that I am not a
computer expert. the times that I do post issues is when I can think of a
realistic solution to offer.

This is where I have issues with Progressive Realization. Complaining does
little good unless you have an idea, suggestion, or solution. Like the kid in
school screaming "School Sucks!" When you ask him why it sucks, he says
"because it Sucks!" Well, that isn't really a good solution.

If you take the new product and try your best to find possible issues, you
are going to find them. Some may be big issues, some may be small. And
granted they are issues that need to be attended to, whether large or small.
Which is why this group was built. so we could give suggestions, get support
and post overall ideas. But here lately, it seems to have become a warzone
for the pro-microsoft/anti microsoft people, or for the XP vs. Vista battle
royale.

think about this. 2 posts, saying the same thing:

"Vista is trash, aero graphics make my screen flicker when I run a classic
windows application! I am going back to XP, I suggest everyone else do the
same!"

"Vista Aero graphics is having issues, the screen flashes momentarily when
switching from Aero to Classic Windows settings. Maybe Microsoft can build a
patch to fix this issue."

The same issue with the both of them. One is progressive, one is not. Try
this one on.

"I am having to remove Vista because it isn't performing like I expected.
Right now there are too many compatibility issues. Not enough of my programs
will run on it, and I am not comfortable with the UAP, chiming in every time
I want to make a change. For the most, I like the look, but there are a lot
of faults coming up on my system. So I am re-installing XP until Vista has
all the issues worked out"

Again, it is a negative post, but it is progressive.

My point is this. We aren't getting angry with people because they don't
like it, we get angry with the way they voice it. If you don't like it, that
is fine, but if you are going to voice your issues, do it in a manner that if
a Microsoft rep were to see it, he or she could see the issues, and who
knows, maybe help with solving them.

Just a thought.

 

[Mamamegs]

Gene Fitz submitted this idea :

While I do respect your opinion, and your personal right to agree or
disagree with the Microsoft Corperation, or to agree, or disagree,
with those who may agree or disagree with the Microsoft Coperation,
I must interject this into the conversation.

I'm glad you did.

Progressive Realization's bad name comes not only from this post, but
from other posts as well. Saying you disagree with something is
fine. Hell, I can give a list of things that I do not like about
Vista, IE7, and Office 2007. the reason I don't post more negative
posts is because I don't have a better idea or a better suggestion.

Perhaps I shouldn't have posted in this perticular thread, I do see a
little troll here....

I offer help to people and ideas as I can, all knowing that I am not
a computer expert. the times that I do post issues is when I can
think of a realistic solution to offer.

Same here, I love to help out people and see their problems solved.
(dutch MS groups)

This is where I have issues with Progressive Realization. Complaining
does little good unless you have an idea, suggestion, or solution.
Like the kid in school screaming "School Sucks!" When you ask him
why it sucks, he says "because it Sucks!" Well, that isn't really a
good solution.

Agreed! (although school did suck... lol )

If you take the new product and try your best to find possible
issues, you are going to find them. Some may be big issues, some may
be small. And granted they are issues that need to be attended to,
whether large or small. Which is why this group was built. so we
could give suggestions, get support and post overall ideas. But here
lately, it seems to have become a warzone for the pro-microsoft/anti
microsoft people, or for the XP vs. Vista battle royale.

As with anything new, there are always going to be people who won't
like what they see, and sometimes rightly so, but what I think the
issue
is with a lot of people when it comes to Microsoft, is the fact it's a
big time corporation, who basically has some form of monopoly position
when it comes to operating systems. You hardly have a choice.
And as most modern applications are made for windows, moving to
Linux isn't always an option, especially for novice computer users.

But bashing MS just for being MS is silly, however I do think they are
shooting themselves in the foot -bigtime- with Vista's EULA.

think about this. 2 posts, saying the same thing:

"Vista is trash, aero graphics make my screen flicker when I run a
classic windows application! I am going back to XP, I suggest
everyone else do the same!"

"Vista Aero graphics is having issues, the screen flashes momentarily
when switching from Aero to Classic Windows settings. Maybe
Microsoft can build a patch to fix this issue."

The same issue with the both of them. One is progressive, one is not.

You're a 100% right!
But, I reacted to a post about Office 2007, saying I didn't like the
ribbon, because it takes me a lot of time trying to find the different
options, I got make out to be whining and more or less standing in the
way of progress. Some reactions to 'normal' posts could be a bit less
agressive.

Try this one on.
"I am having to remove Vista because it isn't performing like I
expected. Right now there are too many compatibility issues. Not
enough of my programs will run on it, and I am not comfortable with
the UAP, chiming in every time I want to make a change. For the
most, I like the look, but there are a lot of faults coming up on my
system. So I am re-installing XP until Vista has all the issues
worked out"

Again, it is a negative post, but it is progressive.

My point is this. We aren't getting angry with people because they
don't like it, we get angry with the way they voice it. If you don't
like it, that is fine, but if you are going to voice your issues, do
it in a manner that if a Microsoft rep were to see it, he or she
could see the issues, and who knows, maybe help with solving them.

Just a thought.

Agreed! Hope a lot more people take note!
Thanks for your reaction.

--
Mamamegs.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.
(Adam Savage)

Nederlandse nieuwsgroep voor Vista
alt.nl.os.windows.vista

(e-mail address removed)

 

[Steve Cochran]

He's got his AV set to scan OE mail also, so it should be fun when he loses
his messages.

steve

 

[progressive realization]

i have given the solutions to the right people.....and they ignored them.

 

[progressive realization]

no troll here, I assure you

Gene Fitz submitted this idea :

I'm glad you did.


Perhaps I shouldn't have posted in this perticular thread, I do see a
little troll here....



Same here, I love to help out people and see their problems solved.
(dutch MS groups)


Agreed! (although school did suck... lol )


As with anything new, there are always going to be people who won't
like what they see, and sometimes rightly so, but what I think the issue
is with a lot of people when it comes to Microsoft, is the fact it's a
big time corporation, who basically has some form of monopoly position
when it comes to operating systems. You hardly have a choice.
And as most modern applications are made for windows, moving to
Linux isn't always an option, especially for novice computer users.

But bashing MS just for being MS is silly, however I do think they are
shooting themselves in the foot -bigtime- with Vista's EULA.


You're a 100% right!
But, I reacted to a post about Office 2007, saying I didn't like the
ribbon, because it takes me a lot of time trying to find the different
options, I got make out to be whining and more or less standing in the
way of progress. Some reactions to 'normal' posts could be a bit less
agressive.


Agreed! Hope a lot more people take note!
Thanks for your reaction.

--
Mamamegs.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.
(Adam Savage)

Nederlandse nieuwsgroep voor Vista
alt.nl.os.windows.vista

(e-mail address removed)

 

[Steve Hebert]

Please do not feed the trolls, they are self-feeding