Newb: How copy p hidden partition onto new drive & what hard drive to get

[Jesse]

J. Clarke wrote:
: :
: Which Toshiba is that? The only 2.5" 60GB 4200 RPM Toshiba drive
: with 2 MB buffer that is listed on their site is the MK6021GAS, which
: according to the datasheet require 4.7 watts max at startup, not 2.6.
: It requires 2.6 watts during seek.

Sorry, I was quoting the seek time.

: On the odd chance that it is a 1.8" drive I checked them and they
: show 1.8 watts at startup.
:
:: This is almost double.
:: Which begs the question: can the motherboard and powersupply handle
:: the additional power requirement, especially when using USB 2.0
:: add-on devices like external DVD burners and hard drives?

As Rod posted previously, looks like any drive should be fine as long as
it is 9mm and NON SATA.

 

[Jesse]

Rod Speed wrote:
::
:: With the new Hitachi Travelstar 5K100 2.5 inch drives,
:: the startup peak is 5.0 Watts Max while the Toshiba is 2.6.
:
: What matters with the drive temperature is
: the running current, not the startup current.

Thanks. One final question, is it worth it at this time to go with a
laptop 7200 rpm drive or stay with 5400 rpm due to heat issues?

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Thanks. One final question, is it worth it at this time to go with a
laptop 7200 rpm drive or stay with 5400 rpm due to heat issues?

I wouldnt got for a 7200 rpm drive in a low
end Dell myself, because of the heat issues.

You could try monitoring the temperature of the current drive
to see if its one of the low end Dells that doesnt cool the drive
properly, some of them have now been designed better, but
yours is likely to be one of the bad designs.

 

[Barry Watzman]

It's not an absolute given that all 7200 rpm drives are hotter than all
5400 or even 4200 rpm drives. You have to look at the individual drives
that you are considering. Remember heat = power consumption.

 

[Jesse]

:
: You could try monitoring the temperature of the current drive
: to see if its one of the low end Dells that doesnt cool the drive
: properly, some of them have now been designed better, but
: yours is likely to be one of the bad designs.

What tolerance parameters should I use? The drive currently reaches 50C
easily without a very heavy load (1600/2800 utilization). If this is
too high? Then?

 

[Jesse]

Barry Watzman wrote:
: It's not an absolute given that all 7200 rpm drives are hotter than
: all 5400 or even 4200 rpm drives. You have to look at the individual
: drives that you are considering. Remember heat = power consumption.
:
Suggestions on drives then? Looks like I will have to do a custom order
from the US if I go through with it.

 

[Rod Speed]

It's not an absolute given that all 7200 rpm drives are hotter than all
5400 or even 4200 rpm drives.

Its very uncommon that they arent.

You have to look at the individual drives that you are considering.

Only if you're obsessively anal.

Remember heat = power consumption.

And the data sheet values on consumption
arent that reliable since they are maximums.

 

[Rod Speed]

What tolerance parameters should I use? The drive currently reaches
50C easily without a very heavy load (1600/2800 utilization).

How often do you do that ?

And is that in your current winter or the hottest days in summer ?

If this is too high?

Not if its only done rarely.

Then?

Que?

 

[J. Clarke]

Its very uncommon that they arent.

If they are of the same generation that is true. But generally if one is
replacing a drive it is several generations older than the replacement, and
there have been improvements in power consumption along the way, so it is
quite possible to encounter 7200 RPM drives with less power consumption
than 4200 RPM drives.

Only if you're obsessively anal.

This is why you normally inhabit my killfile and will likely go back there
shortly. If someone disagrees with you and you don't have a logical
response you insult them.

It's not "obsessively anal" to look at the specs on all candidate
replacement drives before choosing one.

And the data sheet values on consumption
arent that reliable since they are maximums.

So where does one find "reliable" data?

 

[Richard Bonner]

Richard Bonner wrote:
:
: *** I would use the disc that came with the laptop to prepare the
: new drive.

: Be aware that you may be required to use the DELL disc to do this
: partitioning as opposed to say, FDISK.

Thank you, fellow Canuck.

*** You're welcome. C'est bon!

I have a few discs. Hmm. Would it be the Windows Disc? Or the one with
that says "Reinstalling Inspiron System Software?

*** I can't say; read the manual. I suspect it's the latter.

When I wiped my HP laptop's hard drive, I didn't care about HP
partitions. I just partitioned normally and then loaded DR-DOS. I am
having no troubles save for that @-**))(*& Windoze hardware. )-:

BTW, I am in Vancouver.

*** Hmm, I guess 7,000 km eliminates a service call from either
of us. (-:

Richard Bonner
http://www.chebucto.ca/~ak621/DOS/

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

If they are of the same generation that is true.

And he is considering which new drive to get, so they
would normally be of the same generation or close to that.

But generally if one is replacing a drive it is several generations older
than the replacement, and there have been improvements in power
consumption along the way, so it is quite possible to encounter 7200
RPM drives with less power consumption than 4200 RPM drives.

That isnt his situation. He was asking about whether it would be better
to stick with a lower speed drive for the new one for heat reasons.

This is why you normally inhabit my killfile
and will likely go back there shortly.

No one actually gives a flying red **** what some
silly little ****wit like you does or does not read.

If someone disagrees with you and you don't
have a logical response you insult them.

Thanks for the completely superfluous proof of
what a terminal ****wit you have always been.

I have a logical response in this particular case and am insulting you when
you make such a spectacular fool of yourself as you frequently do as well.

You get to like that or lump it.

It's not "obsessively anal" to look at the specs on
all candidate replacement drives before choosing one.

It is obsessively anal to compare the power use when
considering which speed NEW DRIVE to install in a
situation where the cooling for the drive is quite marginal.

You're welcome to obsessively anally compare the
rather poor data if you want to. Most wont bother
and will just avoid the higher speed drives instead.

So where does one find "reliable" data?

It isnt available, ****wit. So, if the drive will be used in a situation
where the drive cooling is inadequate, it makes sense to avoid the
higher speed drives unless you have hard evidence that it has
lower power consumption than the drive you would otherwise use.

You could in theory actually measure it with actual drives,
but that just isnt practical in this particular situation. And
you cant be sure how the power consumption will change
over time as the bearing beds in anyway.

 

[Jesse]

Rod Speed wrote:
:
:: What tolerance parameters should I use? The drive currently reaches
:: 50C easily without a very heavy load (1600/2800 utilization).
:
: How often do you do that ?
:
: And is that in your current winter or the hottest days in summer ?
Usually when I do a complete virus scan in the winter.

: If this is too high?
:
: Not if its only done rarely.
:
:: Then?
:
: Que?

Ok, if this is not too high that's good, I can go ahead and get a 5400
rpm drive...perhaps a Samsung because you say it tends to run the
coolest?

 

[Jesse]

Richard Bonner wrote:
: Jesse wrote:
::: Thank you, fellow Canuck.
:
: *** You're welcome. C'est bon!

:: BTW, I am in Vancouver.

Moi aussi! And most stores carry only 80 GB 2.5 inch drives! How
ridiculous when many laptops now come with 100 GB (4200 rpm) drives.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Usually when I do a complete virus scan in the winter.

OK, its going to be unacceptibly high on the hottest days of summer.

Ok, if this is not too high that's good, I can go ahead
and get a 5400 rpm drive...perhaps a Samsung
because you say it tends to run the coolest?

Yeah, I would if it was my Dell, if you dont want
to scrap the Dell and get something better.

 

[tc]

http://www.frontierpc.com/categoryf...ategoryID=CA-170813&key=Hard Drives: Notebook
Terry

 

[Jesse]

: :
: > Ok, if this is not too high that's good, I can go ahead
: > and get a 5400 rpm drive...perhaps a Samsung
: > because you say it tends to run the coolest?
:
: Yeah, I would if it was my Dell, if you dont want
: to scrap the Dell and get something better.

Ah....don't tempt me into getting something better. ;-)
Should I avoid Dell's in the future altogether or just the low-end
models?

 

[Jesse]

:
:
http://www.frontierpc.com/categoryf...ategoryID=CA-170813&key=Hard Drives: Notebook
: Terry
:
GRACIAS! I completely forget about these guys. I used to go them when
they were near Metrotown.

 

[Rod Speed]

Ah....don't tempt me into getting something better. ;-)

Why not ?

Should I avoid Dell's in the future altogether or just the low-end
models?

Yeah, just the low end models, and even
some of those are fine drive cooling wise now.

 

[Jesse]

: :
: > Ah....don't tempt me into getting something better. ;-)
:
: Why not ?

I just bought my laptop about 18 months ago. CPU and memory wise it's
fine. I don't like the weight issue (~6.8 lbs+ w/battery) or the stock
hard drive speed and size.

 

[Quaoar]

Richard Bonner wrote:
: Jesse wrote:
::: Thank you, fellow Canuck.
:
: *** You're welcome. C'est bon!

:: BTW, I am in Vancouver.

Moi aussi! And most stores carry only 80 GB 2.5 inch drives! How
ridiculous when many laptops now come with 100 GB (4200 rpm) drives.

There is a huge performance improvement at 5400rpm, and even more with
7200rpm drives in the current crop of laptops.

Q