New Video Card Woes

[Frenchy]

Changed my NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti4200 card out for a Radeon 9800Pro (IceQ Excalibur).

My game crash woes don't seem to have gone away! Probably are worse. I uninstalled all old
NVIDIA stuff.

Upgraded BIOS as well (something I was resisting as it is only a year old).

Have latest ATI Drivers (or I think they are latest)

wxp-w2k-catalyst-7-962-031202m1-012924c.exe

Have struggled with this game crashes for a year now and highly frustrating.

Grabbed FRAPS to have a look at Frame rates in various games, but as I have no history, not
sure what is good?

Call of Duty - about 60
DF BHD - 90+

Halo, which I could at least play (with some crashes) with the NVIDIA card now crashes to
desktop as soon as you click CAMPAIGN, so not sure what to do here! I am half way through
as well <shit>!!

Frenchy

 

[Guest]

What's the spec's on your computer???? What I mean is you've tried 2 dif manufactors of video cards and still have problems. There might be something else wrong beside video card. I have a Radeon 9800 Pro 256 mb and it works great...I play CoD, MOHAA, and Halo

 

[Frenchy]

Yep, I am SURE there is something else wrong, now I have eliminated the video card <smile>

Summary below

Appreciate any input
Frenchy


Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 1
Internet Explorer 6.0.2800.1106 (IE 6.0 SP1)
Computer Name x
User Name x
Logon Domain x

Motherboard:
CPU Type Intel Pentium 4A, 2533 MHz (4.75 x 533)
Motherboard Name VIA P4PB 400 (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 1 CNR, 3 DIMM, Audio, LAN)
Motherboard Chipset VIA VT8754 Apollo P4X400
System Memory 1024 MB (Virtual Channel DDR SDRAM)
BIOS Type Award (03/13/03)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM2)
Communication Port Printer Port (LPT1)
Communication Port Brother MFC9600/9870 Series

Display:
Video Adapter RADEON 9800 PRO - Secondary (128 MB)
Video Adapter RADEON 9800 PRO (128 MB)
3D Accelerator ATI Radeon 9800 (R350)
Monitor AOC Spectrum 9Klr (123421637)

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Creative SB0240 Audigy 2 Platinum Sound Card

Storage:
Floppy Drive Floppy disk drive
Disk Drive IOMEGA ZIP 250
Disk Drive ST380021A (80 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Optical Drive RICOH CD-RW MP7400A
Optical Drive SAMSUNG DVD-ROM SD-616F (16x/48x DVD-ROM)

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 76308 MB (33532 MB free)

Input:
Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse Logitech-compatible Mouse PS/2

Network:
Primary IP Address ....
Primary MAC Address .....
Network Adapter VIA VT6105M Rhine III Management Adapter ....
Network Adapter XH7916 DSE ADSL Router LAN Adapter - Packet Scheduler Miniport....
Modem Brother MFC9600 9870 Series Fax Only
Modem HSP56 Micromodem #2

Peripherals:
Printer \\DELL\EPSON Stylus Photo 810 Series
Printer Acrobat Distiller
Printer Auto EPSON Stylus Photo 810 Series on TOSHIBA
Printer Brother MFC9600/9870 Series
Printer HP DeskJet 720C
Printer Win2PDF
Printer WinFax
USB Device Brother MFC9600/9870 Series
USB Device Brother MFC9600/9870 Series
USB Device DSE USB XH7916 Interface
USB Device USB Composite Device
USB Device USB Printing Support

What's the spec's on your computer???? What I mean is you've tried 2 dif manufactors of

video cards and still have problems. There might be something else wrong beside video card.
I have a Radeon 9800 Pro 256 mb and it works great...I play CoD, MOHAA, and Halo

 

[Jimmy S.]

Hi Frenchy,

Don't forget to update your VIA chipset drivers:
http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=300

--
Cheers, Windows XP MVP Shell / User
Jimmy S. http://mvp.support.microsoft.com


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_________________________________________________________

| Changed my NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti4200 card out for a Radeon 9800Pro (IceQ Excalibur).
|
| My game crash woes don't seem to have gone away! Probably are worse. I uninstalled all old
| NVIDIA stuff.
|
| Upgraded BIOS as well (something I was resisting as it is only a year old).
|
| Have latest ATI Drivers (or I think they are latest)
|
| wxp-w2k-catalyst-7-962-031202m1-012924c.exe
|
| Have struggled with this game crashes for a year now and highly frustrating.
|
| Grabbed FRAPS to have a look at Frame rates in various games, but as I have no history, not
| sure what is good?
|
| Call of Duty - about 60
| DF BHD - 90+
|
| Halo, which I could at least play (with some crashes) with the NVIDIA card now crashes to
| desktop as soon as you click CAMPAIGN, so not sure what to do here! I am half way through
| as well <shit>!!
|
| Frenchy
|
|

 

[Frenchy]

I do that about 5 seconds after you post that the new ones are available <smile>

Frenchy

 

[Jimmy S.]

True!

Don't forget to test your RAM, and check for software conflicts.
I can post those steps for you, if you don't have them already.

--
Cheers, Windows XP MVP Shell / User
Jimmy S. http://mvp.support.microsoft.com


Game FAQs: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=FH;[LN];gms
Visit my Zone.com / Gaming Helpsite: http://nibblesnbits.tk or Call / Contact
MS Support at: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=sz;en-us;top
My advice is donated "AS IS" without warranty; nor do I confer any rights.
_________________________________________________________

| I do that about 5 seconds after you post that the new ones are available <smile>
|
| Frenchy
|
| "Jimmy S." <Private> wrote in message | > Hi Frenchy,
| >
| > Don't forget to update your VIA chipset drivers:
| > http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=300
| >
| > --
| > Cheers, Windows XP MVP Shell / User
| > Jimmy S. http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
| >
| >
| > Game FAQs: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=FH;[LN];gms
| > Visit my Zone.com / Gaming Helpsite: http://nibblesnbits.tk or Call / Contact
| > MS Support at: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=sz;en-us;top
| > My advice is donated "AS IS" without warranty; nor do I confer any rights.
| > _________________________________________________________
| >
| > | > | Changed my NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti4200 card out for a Radeon 9800Pro (IceQ Excalibur).
| > |
| > | My game crash woes don't seem to have gone away! Probably are worse. I uninstalled all
| old
| > | NVIDIA stuff.
| > |
| > | Upgraded BIOS as well (something I was resisting as it is only a year old).
| > |
| > | Have latest ATI Drivers (or I think they are latest)
| > |
| > | wxp-w2k-catalyst-7-962-031202m1-012924c.exe
| > |
| > | Have struggled with this game crashes for a year now and highly frustrating.
| > |
| > | Grabbed FRAPS to have a look at Frame rates in various games, but as I have no history,
| not
| > | sure what is good?
| > |
| > | Call of Duty - about 60
| > | DF BHD - 90+
| > |
| > | Halo, which I could at least play (with some crashes) with the NVIDIA card now crashes
| to
| > | desktop as soon as you click CAMPAIGN, so not sure what to do here! I am half way
| through
| > | as well <shit>!!
| > |
| > | Frenchy
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Frenchy]

Yep, done all that. But appreciate you asking

I can see a reformat coming up very soon and a re-start with everything clean!

Frenchy

True!

Don't forget to test your RAM, and check for software conflicts.
I can post those steps for you, if you don't have them already.

--
Cheers, Windows XP MVP Shell / User
Jimmy S. http://mvp.support.microsoft.com


Game FAQs: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=FH;[LN];gms
Visit my Zone.com / Gaming Helpsite: http://nibblesnbits.tk or Call / Contact
MS Support at: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=sz;en-us;top
My advice is donated "AS IS" without warranty; nor do I confer any rights.
_________________________________________________________

| I do that about 5 seconds after you post that the new ones are available <smile>
|
| Frenchy
|
| "Jimmy S." <Private> wrote in message | > Hi Frenchy,
| >
| > Don't forget to update your VIA chipset drivers:
| > http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=300
| >
| > --
| > Cheers, Windows XP MVP Shell / User
| > Jimmy S. http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
| >
| >
| > Game FAQs: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=FH;[LN];gms
| > Visit my Zone.com / Gaming Helpsite: http://nibblesnbits.tk or Call / Contact
| > MS Support at: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=sz;en-us;top
| > My advice is donated "AS IS" without warranty; nor do I confer any rights.
| > _________________________________________________________
| >
| > | > | Changed my NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti4200 card out for a Radeon 9800Pro (IceQ Excalibur).
| > |
| > | My game crash woes don't seem to have gone away! Probably are worse. I uninstalled all
| old
| > | NVIDIA stuff.
| > |
| > | Upgraded BIOS as well (something I was resisting as it is only a year old).
| > |
| > | Have latest ATI Drivers (or I think they are latest)
| > |
| > | wxp-w2k-catalyst-7-962-031202m1-012924c.exe
| > |
| > | Have struggled with this game crashes for a year now and highly frustrating.
| > |
| > | Grabbed FRAPS to have a look at Frame rates in various games, but as I have no history,
| not
| > | sure what is good?
| > |
| > | Call of Duty - about 60
| > | DF BHD - 90+
| > |
| > | Halo, which I could at least play (with some crashes) with the NVIDIA card now crashes
| to
| > | desktop as soon as you click CAMPAIGN, so not sure what to do here! I am half way
| through
| > | as well <shit>!!
| > |
| > | Frenchy
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[-xiray-]

Yep, done all that. But appreciate you asking

I can see a reformat coming up very soon and a re-start with everything clean!

Frenchy

Now I have to ask:

Before removing your old card, did you remove the video drivers using
add/remove programs? Then reboot so the windows default driver is
used?

Then did you shut down and remove the old and install the new card?

Then did you add the new catalyst drivers?

Then did you download the current version of the DirectX drivers?

I ask because on your system that video card and its drivers should be
rock solid.

 

[Frenchy]

Now I have to ask:

Before removing your old card, did you remove the video drivers using
add/remove programs? Then reboot so the windows default driver is
used?
Yep

Then did you shut down and remove the old and install the new card?
Yep

Then did you add the new catalyst drivers?

Yep

Then I re-installed my MoBo latest drivers, even though they were on there.

Then did you download the current version of the DirectX drivers?

I already had DX 9.0b on there with all tests showing OK. I have NOT re-installed that,
should I?

I ask because on your system that video card and its drivers should be
rock solid.

Ya better believe it shud be! But I still get random drop outs from high end 3D games.
Very frustrating!

Frenchy

 

[-xiray-]

Ya better believe it shud be! But I still get random drop outs from high end 3D games.
Very frustrating!

Frenchy

Then the next thing I'd try would be turning of the "VPU recover"
utility of the video card (but to tell you the truth, I think running
with it on is a better idea).

And fyi, using the same video card you have, I recently had difficulty
getting the first version of Max Payne to run. I had to tweak all
sorts of settings in the game's video setup before I could get it to
run.

 

[-xiray-]

By the way, you did download the video driver from the web right?
Because I definitely had difficulty running the CD that came in the
box.

Perhaps you should download a fresh copy.

 

[Frenchy]

Yep, got the latest catalyst from the Web, but did not download one from the Excalibur HIT
site (the IceQ manufacturer) as they didn't seem to list the 9800Pro in any of the drivers
there. So used ATI Radeon site.

Interesting that your other E-Mail said about tweaking to get a particular game to run. The
game save position I was in with Halo, would not load at all and neither would any earlier
game save, BUT when I started the whole freaking thing again as a new game on a new profile,
it ran fine, with only 1 drop out in about 4 hours of play.

Will try turning off the VPU recover as well, and thanks your posts and ideas.

On another note, the switch at the back of this card to run fan speed, is "down" position
high speed fan? The manual doesn't show the switch at all and if it is marked on the back
of the card by the switch, I can't read it.

Frenchy