T
Triffid
Ryan said:
If your friend buys an HP, HP will support it.
If you 'help' your friend build a PC, guess who he'll turn to for (free)
support?
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If your friend buys an HP, HP will support it.
If you 'help' your friend build a PC, guess who he'll turn to for (free)
support?
G
Guest
The Pavillion specfification:
Product number
PP165AA
Base processor
Pentium4 540 (P) HT 3.2 GHz:
800 MHz Front side bus
Socket 775
Chipset
Intel 915GV
Motherboard Manufacturer: Asus
Motherboard Name: PTGD1-LA
HP motherboard name: Goldfish2-GL8E
Memory
512 MB (2 x 256)
Speed supported
PC3200 MB/sec
Hard drive
200 GB SATA
7200 rpm
16x DVD(+/-)R/RW DL LightScribe drive
Modem
PCI K56flex data/fax modem
Video graphics
Integrated with up to 64 MB allocated video memory
Sound/audio
Integrated Intel High Definition(TM) audio (Azalia)
Realtek ALC 880 chipset
Network (LAN)
Integrated 10/100 Base-T networking interface
Power Supply
AC input voltage (47-63Hz):
100-127V/8A
200-240V/4A
DC output wattage: 300 Watts
So now you get a middle order specification, built-in everything and not
'upgradeable' Video without disabling on board AGP: which 'shares' the system
RAM so it's going to be slower than a separate AGP card. On-board sound may
satisfy you for a few months only.
OH! the current Asus Mobo is: P5GD1-VM
So again, for my money [and the same 12 month warranty] I'd be building up
my own system with a decent Mobo and the 'right' I/O devices [AGP, Sound,
HDD, Optical Drives etc].
If you don't build PCs for a living don't comment!
Product number
PP165AA
Base processor
Pentium4 540 (P) HT 3.2 GHz:
800 MHz Front side bus
Socket 775
Chipset
Intel 915GV
Motherboard Manufacturer: Asus
Motherboard Name: PTGD1-LA
HP motherboard name: Goldfish2-GL8E
Memory
512 MB (2 x 256)
Speed supported
PC3200 MB/sec
Hard drive
200 GB SATA
7200 rpm
16x DVD(+/-)R/RW DL LightScribe drive
Modem
PCI K56flex data/fax modem
Video graphics
Integrated with up to 64 MB allocated video memory
Sound/audio
Integrated Intel High Definition(TM) audio (Azalia)
Realtek ALC 880 chipset
Network (LAN)
Integrated 10/100 Base-T networking interface
Power Supply
AC input voltage (47-63Hz):
100-127V/8A
200-240V/4A
DC output wattage: 300 Watts
So now you get a middle order specification, built-in everything and not
'upgradeable' Video without disabling on board AGP: which 'shares' the system
RAM so it's going to be slower than a separate AGP card. On-board sound may
satisfy you for a few months only.
OH! the current Asus Mobo is: P5GD1-VM
So again, for my money [and the same 12 month warranty] I'd be building up
my own system with a decent Mobo and the 'right' I/O devices [AGP, Sound,
HDD, Optical Drives etc].
If you don't build PCs for a living don't comment!
A
Alex Nichol
GTS said:These days it's hard to build a machine for what you can buy one for.
Building is mainly for the fun of it for hobbyists or for performance freaks
and gamers who want highly customized hardware.
You should be able to get a machine built for you to what specs you
want. In the UK there are some good companies that take orders in this
way over the net (eg www.nethighstreet.com) or places like Maplin
In the US there are usually similar small scale system integrators not
far away that will do a good job for you
B
BBUNNY
I can comment on OEM's from trying to fix them (now for family and friends)
Most of the time I just buy a case with PS and build them a better used
machine
than they had. That is another item the people think that they are buying a
machine for
$500. Rubbish! Add the sales tax and then the finance charges and then
what is
the figure. ?????? Another item is that I don't think that I have had the
complete
same PC for more than 6 to 8 months. I have also had the same old copy of
WXPPro since June of 2002. ($159) It has been in a P3 866 a P4 2.26 and
now a P4 3.0. This is a big drawback to proprietary systems (software).
The
big drawback of a homebuilt is it can't be bought on (credit). This whole
thread
is comparing apples to eggs anyway.
Most of the time I just buy a case with PS and build them a better used
machine
than they had. That is another item the people think that they are buying a
machine for
$500. Rubbish! Add the sales tax and then the finance charges and then
what is
the figure. ?????? Another item is that I don't think that I have had the
complete
same PC for more than 6 to 8 months. I have also had the same old copy of
WXPPro since June of 2002. ($159) It has been in a P3 866 a P4 2.26 and
now a P4 3.0. This is a big drawback to proprietary systems (software).
The
big drawback of a homebuilt is it can't be bought on (credit). This whole
thread
is comparing apples to eggs anyway.
J
Jim Macklin
XP Pro for $159 is an OEM license. You can upgrade CPU,
hard drives, graphics, but you can't LEGALLY swap the mobo.
--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
|I can comment on OEM's from trying to fix them (now for
family and friends)
| Most of the time I just buy a case with PS and build them
a better used
| machine
| than they had. That is another item the people think that
they are buying a
| machine for
| $500. Rubbish! Add the sales tax and then the finance
charges and then
| what is
| the figure. ?????? Another item is that I don't think
that I have had the
| complete
| same PC for more than 6 to 8 months. I have also had the
same old copy of
| WXPPro since June of 2002. ($159) It has been in a P3
866 a P4 2.26 and
| now a P4 3.0. This is a big drawback to proprietary
systems (software).
| The
| big drawback of a homebuilt is it can't be bought on
(credit). This whole
| thread
| is comparing apples to eggs anyway.
|
|
| | > No offense, but you can't really comment on OEM's if you
haven't used one
| > in
| > 10+ years. . .
| >
| > | >> I'll add my 2 cents by saying I would never recommend
to anyone that they
| >> buy a store bought system. I did that for my first one,
back in the days
| > of
| >> 286 cpu's, but since then, I researched what I wanted
and built mine, my
| >> spouses, and friends systems. Doing it yourself is a
much better
| >> proposition.
| >>
| >> | >> >I am debating with a friend who is pondering on
whether to buy a HP at
| >> > CompUsa as opposed to me helping him build it.
| >> >
| >> > Of course, I was telling him that HP like Dell, is
notorious for using
| >> > proprietary parts that can not be upgraded and so
forth.
| >> >
| >> > Anyone have any good arguments for building it as
opposed to buying it?
| >> >
| >> > I am trying to convince him that he will be better
off with a built PC
| > in
| >> > the long run for future upgrades.
|
|
|
hard drives, graphics, but you can't LEGALLY swap the mobo.
--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
|I can comment on OEM's from trying to fix them (now for
family and friends)
| Most of the time I just buy a case with PS and build them
a better used
| machine
| than they had. That is another item the people think that
they are buying a
| machine for
| $500. Rubbish! Add the sales tax and then the finance
charges and then
| what is
| the figure. ?????? Another item is that I don't think
that I have had the
| complete
| same PC for more than 6 to 8 months. I have also had the
same old copy of
| WXPPro since June of 2002. ($159) It has been in a P3
866 a P4 2.26 and
| now a P4 3.0. This is a big drawback to proprietary
systems (software).
| The
| big drawback of a homebuilt is it can't be bought on
(credit). This whole
| thread
| is comparing apples to eggs anyway.
|
|
| | > No offense, but you can't really comment on OEM's if you
haven't used one
| > in
| > 10+ years. . .
| >
| > | >> I'll add my 2 cents by saying I would never recommend
to anyone that they
| >> buy a store bought system. I did that for my first one,
back in the days
| > of
| >> 286 cpu's, but since then, I researched what I wanted
and built mine, my
| >> spouses, and friends systems. Doing it yourself is a
much better
| >> proposition.
| >>
| >> | >> >I am debating with a friend who is pondering on
whether to buy a HP at
| >> > CompUsa as opposed to me helping him build it.
| >> >
| >> > Of course, I was telling him that HP like Dell, is
notorious for using
| >> > proprietary parts that can not be upgraded and so
forth.
| >> >
| >> > Anyone have any good arguments for building it as
opposed to buying it?
| >> >
| >> > I am trying to convince him that he will be better
off with a built PC
| > in
| >> > the long run for future upgrades.
|
|
|
B
BBUNNY
Jim Macklin said:XP Pro for $159 is an OEM license. You can upgrade CPU,
hard drives, graphics, but you can't LEGALLY swap the mobo.
LEGALLY according to who? YOU. The EULA txt that I have says
that it can only be installed on one computer at a time.
J
Jim Macklin
Did you get that EULA from the CD or on-line?
|
in message
| | > XP Pro for $159 is an OEM license. You can upgrade CPU,
| > hard drives, graphics, but you can't LEGALLY swap the
mobo.
|
| LEGALLY according to who? YOU. The EULA txt that I have
says
| that it can only be installed on one computer at a time.
|
|
| > | > |I can comment on OEM's from trying to fix them (now for
| > family and friends)
| > | Most of the time I just buy a case with PS and build
them
| > a better used
| > | machine
| > | than they had. That is another item the people think
that
| > they are buying a
| > | machine for
| > | $500. Rubbish! Add the sales tax and then the
finance
| > charges and then
| > | what is
| > | the figure. ?????? Another item is that I don't think
| > that I have had the
| > | complete
| > | same PC for more than 6 to 8 months. I have also had
the
| > same old copy of
| > | WXPPro since June of 2002. ($159) It has been in a
P3
| > 866 a P4 2.26 and
| > | now a P4 3.0. This is a big drawback to proprietary
| > systems (software).
| > | The
| > | big drawback of a homebuilt is it can't be bought on
| > (credit). This whole
| > | thread
| > | is comparing apples to eggs anyway.
| > |
| > | | > | > No offense, but you can't really comment on OEM's if
you
| > haven't used one
| > | > in
| > | > 10+ years. . .
| > | >
| > | > | > | >> I'll add my 2 cents by saying I would never
recommend
| > to anyone that they
| > | >> buy a store bought system. I did that for my first
one,
| > back in the days
| > | > of
| > | >> 286 cpu's, but since then, I researched what I
wanted
| > and built mine, my
| > | >> spouses, and friends systems. Doing it yourself is
a
| > much better
| > | >> proposition.
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >> >I am debating with a friend who is pondering on
| > whether to buy a HP at
| > | >> > CompUsa as opposed to me helping him build it.
| > | >> >
| > | >> > Of course, I was telling him that HP like Dell,
is
| > notorious for using
| > | >> > proprietary parts that can not be upgraded and so
| > forth.
| > | >> >
| > | >> > Anyone have any good arguments for building it as
| > opposed to buying it?
| > | >> >
| > | >> > I am trying to convince him that he will be
better
| > off with a built PC
| > | > in
| > | >> > the long run for future upgrades.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
|
in message
| | > XP Pro for $159 is an OEM license. You can upgrade CPU,
| > hard drives, graphics, but you can't LEGALLY swap the
mobo.
|
| LEGALLY according to who? YOU. The EULA txt that I have
says
| that it can only be installed on one computer at a time.
|
|
| > | > |I can comment on OEM's from trying to fix them (now for
| > family and friends)
| > | Most of the time I just buy a case with PS and build
them
| > a better used
| > | machine
| > | than they had. That is another item the people think
that
| > they are buying a
| > | machine for
| > | $500. Rubbish! Add the sales tax and then the
finance
| > charges and then
| > | what is
| > | the figure. ?????? Another item is that I don't think
| > that I have had the
| > | complete
| > | same PC for more than 6 to 8 months. I have also had
the
| > same old copy of
| > | WXPPro since June of 2002. ($159) It has been in a
P3
| > 866 a P4 2.26 and
| > | now a P4 3.0. This is a big drawback to proprietary
| > systems (software).
| > | The
| > | big drawback of a homebuilt is it can't be bought on
| > (credit). This whole
| > | thread
| > | is comparing apples to eggs anyway.
| > |
| > | | > | > No offense, but you can't really comment on OEM's if
you
| > haven't used one
| > | > in
| > | > 10+ years. . .
| > | >
| > | > | > | >> I'll add my 2 cents by saying I would never
recommend
| > to anyone that they
| > | >> buy a store bought system. I did that for my first
one,
| > back in the days
| > | > of
| > | >> 286 cpu's, but since then, I researched what I
wanted
| > and built mine, my
| > | >> spouses, and friends systems. Doing it yourself is
a
| > much better
| > | >> proposition.
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >> >I am debating with a friend who is pondering on
| > whether to buy a HP at
| > | >> > CompUsa as opposed to me helping him build it.
| > | >> >
| > | >> > Of course, I was telling him that HP like Dell,
is
| > notorious for using
| > | >> > proprietary parts that can not be upgraded and so
| > forth.
| > | >> >
| > | >> > Anyone have any good arguments for building it as
| > opposed to buying it?
| > | >> >
| > | >> > I am trying to convince him that he will be
better
| > off with a built PC
| > | > in
| > | >> > the long run for future upgrades.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
K
Kerry Brown
So now you get a middle order specification, built-in everything and not
bought at an auction. While it wouldn't be suitable for a dedicated gamer,
it is more than adequate for normal everyday use. I do a lot of editing
digital images with this machine using Paintshop Pro, Photo Shop etc.
Getting it at auction it was considerably cheaper than anything I could
build. This is probably not an option for most people. Only pointing out
that the model indicated is a reasonable machine for most people.
ONE MAJOR CAVEAT
HP's initial setup sucks. I highly recommend buying a retail version of
WinXP Pro, formatting the hard drive and doing a clean install. As it comes
from HP it is so riddled with spyware/adware/ trial versions that it is very
unstable and abysmally slow. If you pay full retail for the computer then
adding the price of WinXP will certainly bring the price up to where it
would be cheaper to build one. If you have access to a generic OEM XP Home
disc you could also install that and use the HP OEM product key. This may or
may not work depending on the OEM disc.
Kerry Brown
KDB Systems
I build computers for a living. I am typing this on a refurbished HP a820n'upgradeable' Video without disabling on board AGP: which 'shares' the
system
RAM so it's going to be slower than a separate AGP card. On-board sound
may
satisfy you for a few months only.
So again, for my money [and the same 12 month warranty] I'd be building up
my own system with a decent Mobo and the 'right' I/O devices [AGP, Sound,
HDD, Optical Drives etc].
If you don't build PCs for a living don't comment!
bought at an auction. While it wouldn't be suitable for a dedicated gamer,
it is more than adequate for normal everyday use. I do a lot of editing
digital images with this machine using Paintshop Pro, Photo Shop etc.
Getting it at auction it was considerably cheaper than anything I could
build. This is probably not an option for most people. Only pointing out
that the model indicated is a reasonable machine for most people.
ONE MAJOR CAVEAT
HP's initial setup sucks. I highly recommend buying a retail version of
WinXP Pro, formatting the hard drive and doing a clean install. As it comes
from HP it is so riddled with spyware/adware/ trial versions that it is very
unstable and abysmally slow. If you pay full retail for the computer then
adding the price of WinXP will certainly bring the price up to where it
would be cheaper to build one. If you have access to a generic OEM XP Home
disc you could also install that and use the HP OEM product key. This may or
may not work depending on the OEM disc.
Kerry Brown
KDB Systems
B
BBUNNY
C:\Windows\System32\eula.txt
THIS
LICENSE MAY NOT BE SHARED, TRANSFERRED TO OR
USED CONCURRENTLY ON DIFFERENT COMPUTERS.
I have both XPHome OEM and XPPro OEM on 2 different machines. When you
call for activation all that _Microsoft Employees_ check is that it is
installed
on one computer.
As a matter of fact I did some major hardware changes last week which
entailed
changing from individual disks to SATA RAID on one box and a fasttrack RAID
on another. When I called for the activation I told them the truth. That I
had
the slipstreamed CD's inverted and that they were on different boxes.
If what you and Bruce are spieling were true they would not be able to sell
these legal versions of XP......
As an aside, I can hardly tell the difference between Windows and Debian
Linux
except for the few items that are nonfree, (not covered by the GPL)
I did not like having to buy another copy of XP to install on my 90 year old
mothers
PC but I did. I can live with one copy -- one machine but buying another
copy
whenever I upgrade. NoooWaaay. Microsoft fully realizes this.
THIS
LICENSE MAY NOT BE SHARED, TRANSFERRED TO OR
USED CONCURRENTLY ON DIFFERENT COMPUTERS.
I have both XPHome OEM and XPPro OEM on 2 different machines. When you
call for activation all that _Microsoft Employees_ check is that it is
installed
on one computer.
As a matter of fact I did some major hardware changes last week which
entailed
changing from individual disks to SATA RAID on one box and a fasttrack RAID
on another. When I called for the activation I told them the truth. That I
had
the slipstreamed CD's inverted and that they were on different boxes.
If what you and Bruce are spieling were true they would not be able to sell
these legal versions of XP......
As an aside, I can hardly tell the difference between Windows and Debian
Linux
except for the few items that are nonfree, (not covered by the GPL)
I did not like having to buy another copy of XP to install on my 90 year old
mothers
PC but I did. I can live with one copy -- one machine but buying another
copy
whenever I upgrade. NoooWaaay. Microsoft fully realizes this.
J
Jim Macklin
EULAID:WX.1_PRO_OEM_EN
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| C:\Windows\System32\eula.txt
| THIS
|
| LICENSE MAY NOT BE SHARED, TRANSFERRED TO OR
|
| USED CONCURRENTLY ON DIFFERENT COMPUTERS.
|
|
|
| I have both XPHome OEM and XPPro OEM on 2 different
machines. When you
|
| call for activation all that _Microsoft Employees_ check
is that it is
| installed
|
| on one computer.
|
| As a matter of fact I did some major hardware changes last
week which
| entailed
|
| changing from individual disks to SATA RAID on one box and
a fasttrack RAID
|
| on another. When I called for the activation I told them
the truth. That I
| had
|
| the slipstreamed CD's inverted and that they were on
different boxes.
|
| If what you and Bruce are spieling were true they would
not be able to sell
|
| these legal versions of XP......
|
| As an aside, I can hardly tell the difference between
Windows and Debian
| Linux
|
| except for the few items that are nonfree, (not covered by
the GPL)
|
| I did not like having to buy another copy of XP to install
on my 90 year old
| mothers
|
| PC but I did. I can live with one copy -- one machine but
buying another
| copy
|
| whenever I upgrade. NoooWaaay. Microsoft fully realizes
this.
|
|
in message
| | > Did you get that EULA from the CD or on-line?
| >
| >
| > | > |
| > | "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm>
wrote
| > in message
| > | | > | > XP Pro for $159 is an OEM license. You can upgrade
CPU,
| > | > hard drives, graphics, but you can't LEGALLY swap
the
| > mobo.
| > |
| > | LEGALLY according to who? YOU. The EULA txt that I
have
| > says
| > | that it can only be installed on one computer at a
time.
| > |
| > |
| > | > | > | > |I can comment on OEM's from trying to fix them (now
for
| > | > family and friends)
| > | > | Most of the time I just buy a case with PS and
build
| > them
| > | > a better used
| > | > | machine
| > | > | than they had. That is another item the people
think
| > that
| > | > they are buying a
| > | > | machine for
| > | > | $500. Rubbish! Add the sales tax and then the
| > finance
| > | > charges and then
| > | > | what is
| > | > | the figure. ?????? Another item is that I don't
think
| > | > that I have had the
| > | > | complete
| > | > | same PC for more than 6 to 8 months. I have also
had
| > the
| > | > same old copy of
| > | > | WXPPro since June of 2002. ($159) It has been in
a
| > P3
| > | > 866 a P4 2.26 and
| > | > | now a P4 3.0. This is a big drawback to
proprietary
| > | > systems (software).
| > | > | The
| > | > | big drawback of a homebuilt is it can't be bought
on
| > | > (credit). This whole
| > | > | thread
| > | > | is comparing apples to eggs anyway.
| > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | > No offense, but you can't really comment on
OEM's if
| > you
| > | > haven't used one
| > | > | > in
| > | > | > 10+ years. . .
| > | > | >
message
| > | > | > | > | > | >> I'll add my 2 cents by saying I would never
| > recommend
| > | > to anyone that they
| > | > | >> buy a store bought system. I did that for my
first
| > one,
| > | > back in the days
| > | > | > of
| > | > | >> 286 cpu's, but since then, I researched what I
| > wanted
| > | > and built mine, my
| > | > | >> spouses, and friends systems. Doing it yourself
is
| > a
| > | > much better
| > | > | >> proposition.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> | > | > | >> >I am debating with a friend who is pondering
on
| > | > whether to buy a HP at
| > | > | >> > CompUsa as opposed to me helping him build
it.
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> > Of course, I was telling him that HP like
Dell,
| > is
| > | > notorious for using
| > | > | >> > proprietary parts that can not be upgraded
and so
| > | > forth.
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> > Anyone have any good arguments for building
it as
| > | > opposed to buying it?
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> > I am trying to convince him that he will be
| > better
| > | > off with a built PC
| > | > | > in
| > | > | >> > the long run for future upgrades.
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This End-User
License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you
(either an individual or a single legal entity) and the
manufacturer ("Manufacturer") of the computer system or
computer
system component ("HARDWARE") with which you acquired the
Microsoft software product(s) identified above ("SOFTWARE").
The
SOFTWARE includes Microsoft computer software, and may
include
associated media, printed materials, "online," or electronic
documentation and Internet based services. Note, however,
that
any software, documentation, or web services that are
included in
the SOFTWARE, or accessible via the SOFTWARE, and are
accompanied
by their own license agreements or terms of use are governed
by
such agreements rather than this EULA. The terms of a
printed,
paper EULA, which may accompany the SOFTWARE, supersede the
terms
of any on-screen EULA. This EULA is valid and grants the
end
-user rights ONLY if the SOFTWARE is genuine and a genuine
Certificate of Authenticity for the SOFTWARE is included.
For
more information on identifying whether your software is
genuine,
please see http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell.
By installing, copying, downloading, accessing or otherwise
using
the SOFTWARE, you agree to be bound by the terms of this
EULA.
If you do not agree to the terms of this EULA, you may not
use or
copy the SOFTWARE, and you should promptly contact
Manufacturer
for instructions on return of the unused product(s) in
accordance
with Manufacturer's return policies.
SOFTWARE PRODUCT LICENSE
The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE,
if
the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE
is a computer system component.
1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Manufacturer grants you the following
rights, provided you comply with all of the terms and
conditions of this EULA:
* Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly
provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access,
display and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on
the COMPUTER. The SOFTWARE may not
be used by more than two (2) processors at any one
time
on the COMPUTER, unless a higher number is indicated
| C:\Windows\System32\eula.txt
| THIS
|
| LICENSE MAY NOT BE SHARED, TRANSFERRED TO OR
|
| USED CONCURRENTLY ON DIFFERENT COMPUTERS.
|
|
|
| I have both XPHome OEM and XPPro OEM on 2 different
machines. When you
|
| call for activation all that _Microsoft Employees_ check
is that it is
| installed
|
| on one computer.
|
| As a matter of fact I did some major hardware changes last
week which
| entailed
|
| changing from individual disks to SATA RAID on one box and
a fasttrack RAID
|
| on another. When I called for the activation I told them
the truth. That I
| had
|
| the slipstreamed CD's inverted and that they were on
different boxes.
|
| If what you and Bruce are spieling were true they would
not be able to sell
|
| these legal versions of XP......
|
| As an aside, I can hardly tell the difference between
Windows and Debian
| Linux
|
| except for the few items that are nonfree, (not covered by
the GPL)
|
| I did not like having to buy another copy of XP to install
on my 90 year old
| mothers
|
| PC but I did. I can live with one copy -- one machine but
buying another
| copy
|
| whenever I upgrade. NoooWaaay. Microsoft fully realizes
this.
|
|
in message
| | > Did you get that EULA from the CD or on-line?
| >
| >
| > | > |
| > | "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm>
wrote
| > in message
| > | | > | > XP Pro for $159 is an OEM license. You can upgrade
CPU,
| > | > hard drives, graphics, but you can't LEGALLY swap
the
| > mobo.
| > |
| > | LEGALLY according to who? YOU. The EULA txt that I
have
| > says
| > | that it can only be installed on one computer at a
time.
| > |
| > |
| > | > | > | > |I can comment on OEM's from trying to fix them (now
for
| > | > family and friends)
| > | > | Most of the time I just buy a case with PS and
build
| > them
| > | > a better used
| > | > | machine
| > | > | than they had. That is another item the people
think
| > that
| > | > they are buying a
| > | > | machine for
| > | > | $500. Rubbish! Add the sales tax and then the
| > finance
| > | > charges and then
| > | > | what is
| > | > | the figure. ?????? Another item is that I don't
think
| > | > that I have had the
| > | > | complete
| > | > | same PC for more than 6 to 8 months. I have also
had
| > the
| > | > same old copy of
| > | > | WXPPro since June of 2002. ($159) It has been in
a
| > P3
| > | > 866 a P4 2.26 and
| > | > | now a P4 3.0. This is a big drawback to
proprietary
| > | > systems (software).
| > | > | The
| > | > | big drawback of a homebuilt is it can't be bought
on
| > | > (credit). This whole
| > | > | thread
| > | > | is comparing apples to eggs anyway.
| > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | > No offense, but you can't really comment on
OEM's if
| > you
| > | > haven't used one
| > | > | > in
| > | > | > 10+ years. . .
| > | > | >
message
| > | > | > | > | > | >> I'll add my 2 cents by saying I would never
| > recommend
| > | > to anyone that they
| > | > | >> buy a store bought system. I did that for my
first
| > one,
| > | > back in the days
| > | > | > of
| > | > | >> 286 cpu's, but since then, I researched what I
| > wanted
| > | > and built mine, my
| > | > | >> spouses, and friends systems. Doing it yourself
is
| > a
| > | > much better
| > | > | >> proposition.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> | > | > | >> >I am debating with a friend who is pondering
on
| > | > whether to buy a HP at
| > | > | >> > CompUsa as opposed to me helping him build
it.
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> > Of course, I was telling him that HP like
Dell,
| > is
| > | > notorious for using
| > | > | >> > proprietary parts that can not be upgraded
and so
| > | > forth.
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> > Anyone have any good arguments for building
it as
| > | > opposed to buying it?
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> > I am trying to convince him that he will be
| > better
| > | > off with a built PC
| > | > | > in
| > | > | >> > the long run for future upgrades.
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
B
BBUNNY
Jim Macklin said:EULAID:WX.1_PRO_OEM_EN
END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This End-User
License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you
(either an individual or a single legal entity) and the
manufacturer ("Manufacturer") of the computer system or
computer
system component ("HARDWARE") with which you acquired the
Microsoft software product(s) identified above ("SOFTWARE").
The
SOFTWARE includes Microsoft computer software, and may
include
associated media, printed materials, "online," or electronic
documentation and Internet based services. Note, however,
that
any software, documentation, or web services that are
included in
the SOFTWARE, or accessible via the SOFTWARE, and are
accompanied
by their own license agreements or terms of use are governed
by
such agreements rather than this EULA. The terms of a
printed,
paper EULA, which may accompany the SOFTWARE, supersede the
terms
of any on-screen EULA. This EULA is valid and grants the
end
-user rights ONLY if the SOFTWARE is genuine and a genuine
Certificate of Authenticity for the SOFTWARE is included.
For
more information on identifying whether your software is
genuine,
please see http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell.
By installing, copying, downloading, accessing or otherwise
using
the SOFTWARE, you agree to be bound by the terms of this
EULA.
If you do not agree to the terms of this EULA, you may not
use or
copy the SOFTWARE, and you should promptly contact
Manufacturer
for instructions on return of the unused product(s) in
accordance
with Manufacturer's return policies.
SOFTWARE PRODUCT LICENSE
The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE,
if
the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE
is a computer system component.
1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Manufacturer grants you the following
rights, provided you comply with all of the terms and
conditions of this EULA:
* Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly
provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access,
display and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on
the COMPUTER. The SOFTWARE may not
be used by more than two (2) processors at any one
time
on the COMPUTER, unless a higher number is indicated
| C:\Windows\System32\eula.txt
| THIS
|
| LICENSE MAY NOT BE SHARED, TRANSFERRED TO OR
|
| USED CONCURRENTLY ON DIFFERENT COMPUTERS.
|
|
|
| I have both XPHome OEM and XPPro OEM on 2 different
machines. When you
|
| call for activation all that _Microsoft Employees_ check
is that it is
| installed
|
| on one computer.
|
| As a matter of fact I did some major hardware changes last
week which
| entailed
|
| changing from individual disks to SATA RAID on one box and
a fasttrack RAID
|
| on another. When I called for the activation I told them
the truth. That I
| had
|
| the slipstreamed CD's inverted and that they were on
different boxes.
|
| If what you and Bruce are spieling were true they would
not be able to sell
|
| these legal versions of XP......
|
| As an aside, I can hardly tell the difference between
Windows and Debian
| Linux
|
| except for the few items that are nonfree, (not covered by
the GPL)
|
| I did not like having to buy another copy of XP to install
on my 90 year old
| mothers
|
| PC but I did. I can live with one copy -- one machine but
buying another
| copy
|
| whenever I upgrade. NoooWaaay. Microsoft fully realizes
this.
|
|
in message
| | > Did you get that EULA from the CD or on-line?
| >
| >
| > | > |
| > | "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm>
wrote
| > in message
| > | | > | > XP Pro for $159 is an OEM license. You can upgrade
CPU,
| > | > hard drives, graphics, but you can't LEGALLY swap
the
| > mobo.
| > |
| > | LEGALLY according to who? YOU. The EULA txt that I
have
| > says
| > | that it can only be installed on one computer at a
time.
| > |
| > |
| > | > | > | > |I can comment on OEM's from trying to fix them (now
for
| > | > family and friends)
| > | > | Most of the time I just buy a case with PS and
build
| > them
| > | > a better used
| > | > | machine
| > | > | than they had. That is another item the people
think
| > that
| > | > they are buying a
| > | > | machine for
| > | > | $500. Rubbish! Add the sales tax and then the
| > finance
| > | > charges and then
| > | > | what is
| > | > | the figure. ?????? Another item is that I don't
think
| > | > that I have had the
| > | > | complete
| > | > | same PC for more than 6 to 8 months. I have also
had
| > the
| > | > same old copy of
| > | > | WXPPro since June of 2002. ($159) It has been in
a
| > P3
| > | > 866 a P4 2.26 and
| > | > | now a P4 3.0. This is a big drawback to
proprietary
| > | > systems (software).
| > | > | The
| > | > | big drawback of a homebuilt is it can't be bought
on
| > | > (credit). This whole
| > | > | thread
| > | > | is comparing apples to eggs anyway.
| > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | > No offense, but you can't really comment on
OEM's if
| > you
| > | > haven't used one
| > | > | > in
| > | > | > 10+ years. . .
| > | > | >
message
| > | > | > | > | > | >> I'll add my 2 cents by saying I would never
| > recommend
| > | > to anyone that they
| > | > | >> buy a store bought system. I did that for my
first
| > one,
| > | > back in the days
| > | > | > of
| > | > | >> 286 cpu's, but since then, I researched what I
| > wanted
| > | > and built mine, my
| > | > | >> spouses, and friends systems. Doing it yourself
is
| > a
| > | > much better
| > | > | >> proposition.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> | > | > | >> >I am debating with a friend who is pondering
on
| > | > whether to buy a HP at
| > | > | >> > CompUsa as opposed to me helping him build
it.
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> > Of course, I was telling him that HP like
Dell,
| > is
| > | > notorious for using
| > | > | >> > proprietary parts that can not be upgraded
and so
| > | > forth.
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> > Anyone have any good arguments for building
it as
| > | > opposed to buying it?
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> > I am trying to convince him that he will be
| > better
| > | > off with a built PC
| > | > | > in
| > | > | >> > the long run for future upgrades.
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
M
MIke
Hi...It all depends...
IF you can buy ALL the components from ONE place to save on shipping,
and the sum of the parts is not outrageously higher than you would pay
for a Gateway or a Dell, ($549 with flat monitor), then I would build.
The shipping will break your spirit and your pocketbook if you buy from
several different vendors.
I built THREE PC's, thoroughly enjoyed learning, and then I bought a
DEll 2400 for $449, free shipping. Will never build another one.
Dell comes to your house to fix your new dell, for one year! Any idea
what that would cost if you built it yourself and called a techie to
your house?
I understand the feeling of building your own. So if you've got the
bucks, spread your wings !
Mike
IF you can buy ALL the components from ONE place to save on shipping,
and the sum of the parts is not outrageously higher than you would pay
for a Gateway or a Dell, ($549 with flat monitor), then I would build.
The shipping will break your spirit and your pocketbook if you buy from
several different vendors.
I built THREE PC's, thoroughly enjoyed learning, and then I bought a
DEll 2400 for $449, free shipping. Will never build another one.
Dell comes to your house to fix your new dell, for one year! Any idea
what that would cost if you built it yourself and called a techie to
your house?
I understand the feeling of building your own. So if you've got the
bucks, spread your wings !
Mike
A
Al Smith
Hi...It all depends...
Building your own computer is a great learning experience, and not
too difficult if you get compatible parts from one seller who
knows what he is doing. But it will cost more than buying a Dell,
even with the Microsoft tax thrown into the pot. The reasons to
build are a feeling of independence, learning more about your
computer, insuring that all your components are top quality -- but
saving money isn't one of them.
IF you can buy ALL the components from ONE place to save on shipping,
and the sum of the parts is not outrageously higher than you would pay
for a Gateway or a Dell, ($549 with flat monitor), then I would build.
The shipping will break your spirit and your pocketbook if you buy from
several different vendors.
I built THREE PC's, thoroughly enjoyed learning, and then I bought a
DEll 2400 for $449, free shipping. Will never build another one.
Dell comes to your house to fix your new dell, for one year! Any idea
what that would cost if you built it yourself and called a techie to
your house?
I understand the feeling of building your own. So if you've got the
bucks, spread your wings !
Mike
Building your own computer is a great learning experience, and not
too difficult if you get compatible parts from one seller who
knows what he is doing. But it will cost more than buying a Dell,
even with the Microsoft tax thrown into the pot. The reasons to
build are a feeling of independence, learning more about your
computer, insuring that all your components are top quality -- but
saving money isn't one of them.
M
mmaker
Al said:The reasons to
build are a feeling of independence, learning more about your
computer, insuring that all your components are top quality -- but
saving money isn't one of them.
Yeah, exactly. I could have bought a PC of similar spec to mine for
significantly less, but by building it myself I know that every
component in there is the best you could get for a reasonable price at
the time.
For Joe Average, I'd certainly say buy a PC ready-built.
Mark
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