New EULA for Retail Buyers

[Eddy]

If the screws keep getting tighter, does that mean I'm getting screwed?

I've read the new EULA. It's very vague. How does one "assign to a device".
Write the device a love note? Holler the devices' name from a roof-top. Have
one's secretary point? It doesn't make any sense.

And while the EULA say I can "reassign" [how's that done?] "one time". It
doen't say I can do it more than once. It says I can do it one time. The
EULA doesn't cover if I should do it two times. It doesn't say either way.

It's a crazy unworkable EULA that probably should be ignored. Buy your copy,
use it on one computer at a time and ignore the rest. Be circumscript should
you have to phone in.

And how can the report of an IP address not be "personal information"? To
all intents and purposes, the IP address does ID a person. Sheesh.

Do you realize how many times in a week your Windows Vista will check on you
and even report on you? Every time you boot and maybe then some. Everytime
you update and maybe then some. Every time WGA Notifications decides and it
*will* be including a personally identifiable IP address. And with a new
restriction per every few months, who knows what is coming down the
Microsoft pipe? Forced upgrades? Lock you out from your private files?
(whoops .. they already will do that) What else do you have planned for your
customers, Microsoft? Why not just give us all the possible restrictions you
have planned right now and so we can decide if we even want to stay on the
Microsoft train?

Most of us, like me, are little froggies in a slowly heating pot of water.
It's beginning to steam now, but we don't want to get out 'cause the dancing
bunnies are so pretty.

We're all so apathetic. Lame easy pushovers who accept everything that is
shoved at them. 'Especially me.

Microsoft, do want me to spit or swallow?

 

[Jeff]

LOL
Yup; every single boot-up-phonin home.
Ahh; and correct again; most people don't care.
Bubbles are nice though

Jeff

 

[Guest]

And what of production computers that are not hooked up to a network.

The security checks, if they can't be compleated, will the legal systems
still run ?

I've got a few systems that are running 24/7 that are NOT allowed to talk to
the internet due to the data on them.

 

[deebs]

The Bubbles are very nice

On the record I don't mind an OS (any OS) phoning in on startup or on login.

I don't mind a teeny-weeny bit.

Why?

Because the support system built in seems so blinking fantastic!

If the OS needs to phone-in to be sure my OS & software is legit and
upto date well, that's absolutely fine by me.

If it also means that hardware drivers are updated, fine-tuned and dress
fitted that is equally fine by me.

But there again, i don't think I am paranoid?

(but do wear Paramo!)

 

[Jeff]

Well; if ya don't connect to the net; not sure.
Jeff

 

[deebs]

I'd guess that a named individual in the organisation has entered into
an agreement to have the OS present and I'd also hope that software
audits were automated, thorough and sent in regular reports to the
signatory and the OS copyright holders.

For some signatories that may mean an abbreviated report with lots of
stars for good and lots of exclamation marks for bad, very bad.

 

[**__MIke__**]

The crappy new EULA aside, you *are* aware that your IP address *is*
included in *every* internet transmission made by your computer in any
operating system, right?

That incldues several requests for every single web page and every time you
send an email or post/receive messages to/from a newsgroup.

-Mike

P.S. Your IP is 70.25.71.196, you are using Rogers cable internet and are
located somewhere in the vicinity of ottawa in Canada. Everyone having your
IP address and related information has been a fact of life since Windows 95
and is not likely to change anytime soon. You can check everyone's ip
address by viewing the properties of their messages and determine ther basic
location by any number of free tools on the web. Mine is 24.4.175.239, I use
Comcast and am located somewhere in the vincinty of San Rafael in the U.S..

-Mike

LOL
Yup; every single boot-up-phonin home.
Ahh; and correct again; most people don't care.
Bubbles are nice though

Jeff

If the screws keep getting tighter, does that mean I'm getting screwed?

I've read the new EULA. It's very vague. How does one "assign to a
device". Write the device a love note? Holler the devices' name from a
roof-top. Have one's secretary point? It doesn't make any sense.

And while the EULA say I can "reassign" [how's that done?] "one time". It
doen't say I can do it more than once. It says I can do it one time. The
EULA doesn't cover if I should do it two times. It doesn't say either
way.

It's a crazy unworkable EULA that probably should be ignored. Buy your
copy, use it on one computer at a time and ignore the rest. Be
circumscript should you have to phone in.

And how can the report of an IP address not be "personal information"? To
all intents and purposes, the IP address does ID a person. Sheesh.

Do you realize how many times in a week your Windows Vista will check on
you and even report on you? Every time you boot and maybe then some.
Everytime you update and maybe then some. Every time WGA Notifications
decides and it *will* be including a personally identifiable IP address.
And with a new restriction per every few months, who knows what is coming
down the Microsoft pipe? Forced upgrades? Lock you out from your private
files? (whoops .. they already will do that) What else do you have
planned for your customers, Microsoft? Why not just give us all the
possible restrictions you have planned right now and so we can decide if
we even want to stay on the Microsoft train?

Most of us, like me, are little froggies in a slowly heating pot of
water. It's beginning to steam now, but we don't want to get out 'cause
the dancing bunnies are so pretty.

We're all so apathetic. Lame easy pushovers who accept everything that is
shoved at them. 'Especially me.

Microsoft, do want me to spit or swallow?

 

[Eddy]

Yup, I realize. But the anonymizer option is there should I want to take it.

The crappy new EULA aside, you *are* aware that your IP address *is*
included in *every* internet transmission made by your computer in any
operating system, right?

That incldues several requests for every single web page and every time
you send an email or post/receive messages to/from a newsgroup.

-Mike

P.S. Your IP is 70.25.71.196, you are using Rogers cable internet and are
located somewhere in the vicinity of ottawa in Canada. Everyone having
your IP address and related information has been a fact of life since
Windows 95 and is not likely to change anytime soon. You can check
everyone's ip address by viewing the properties of their messages and
determine ther basic location by any number of free tools on the web. Mine
is 24.4.175.239, I use Comcast and am located somewhere in the vincinty of
San Rafael in the U.S..

-Mike

LOL
Yup; every single boot-up-phonin home.
Ahh; and correct again; most people don't care.
Bubbles are nice though

Jeff

If the screws keep getting tighter, does that mean I'm getting screwed?

I've read the new EULA. It's very vague. How does one "assign to a
device". Write the device a love note? Holler the devices' name from a
roof-top. Have one's secretary point? It doesn't make any sense.

And while the EULA say I can "reassign" [how's that done?] "one time".
It doen't say I can do it more than once. It says I can do it one time.
The EULA doesn't cover if I should do it two times. It doesn't say
either way.

It's a crazy unworkable EULA that probably should be ignored. Buy your
copy, use it on one computer at a time and ignore the rest. Be
circumscript should you have to phone in.

And how can the report of an IP address not be "personal information"?
To all intents and purposes, the IP address does ID a person. Sheesh.

Do you realize how many times in a week your Windows Vista will check on
you and even report on you? Every time you boot and maybe then some.
Everytime you update and maybe then some. Every time WGA Notifications
decides and it *will* be including a personally identifiable IP address.
And with a new restriction per every few months, who knows what is
coming down the Microsoft pipe? Forced upgrades? Lock you out from your
private files? (whoops .. they already will do that) What else do you
have planned for your customers, Microsoft? Why not just give us all the
possible restrictions you have planned right now and so we can decide if
we even want to stay on the Microsoft train?

Most of us, like me, are little froggies in a slowly heating pot of
water. It's beginning to steam now, but we don't want to get out 'cause
the dancing bunnies are so pretty.

We're all so apathetic. Lame easy pushovers who accept everything that
is shoved at them. 'Especially me.

Microsoft, do want me to spit or swallow?

 

[**__MIke__**]

I'm sure they'll work fine, but if they ever are connected to the internet,
M$ will be one of, if not *the* first server contacted.

-Mike

 

[Eddy]

Funny, I actually do. It's sort of the sticking point for me. I don't want
to be reported on by my computer. This little froggie doesn't like the taste
of it. Something about it is not right.

 

[Jeff]

Ah,
That's fine.
And most people won't care; but what's happening here is indicative of a
major change in business;(and in society-in general-but that's for other
ng's-lol)
A change in attitude; a change in business practice; and yes; a
fundamental change in one's rights.
When it becomes the customer's responsibilty; to constantly prove that
they are NOT criminals; something is drastically wrong.
MSFT takes the position; with SPP; that their customer's are inherently
criminal.
And when it becomes mandatory;to do business with Microsoft;that one
must allow access; is the day they no longer get my business.
Which; it is doing with Vista.
Not XP yet; but if they do; bye bye; hello nix and that other "fruit". LOL

Jeff

 

[deebs]

Yeh - but will it be encrypted data?

 

[Eddy]

So, um, who's in control of the computer now?

I'm sure they'll work fine, but if they ever are connected to the
internet, M$ will be one of, if not *the* first server contacted.

-Mike

 

[deebs]

Or so you believe?

Go for Linux - will it make a change

It is far, far better in my opinion to be open and realistic.

There again, many may prefer to be delusional.

 

[Steve Urbach]

The crappy new EULA aside, you *are* aware that your IP address *is*
included in *every* internet transmission made by your computer in any
operating system, right?

Yup
192.168.0.x


Stupid Remote assistance can't deal with NAT (routers).
Duh? If IP is private range, Ask for the public IP (or better yet,
snag it and instruct the user to have port "z" forwarded to the local
IP, "y" of this machine.

 

[deebs]

You are responsible for your data

The OS copyright holders have their responsibilities to uphold.

Given the choice as a UK resident I'd rather purchase my OS direct from
MS and avoid any EU "fiddling" on my behalf

(I'd rather trust MS that any EU governmental organisation on the basis
that one respects meritocracy and the other knows not what it is. )

 

[Guest]

Right now there acting as test equipment, Slave Boxes.
Computer A Talkes to the slave box over a GPIB Cable
Slave box talks to other equipment
Returns Finished Data back to Computer A

Repeat 24/7

Right now there primarly XP Pro boxes, but with Vista comming out soon, I've
go to start looking into what happens when we get new systmes in.

 

[Jeff]

LOL
P.S. properties are not always correct-funny tho.

The crappy new EULA aside, you *are* aware that your IP address *is*
included in *every* internet transmission made by your computer in any
operating system, right?

That incldues several requests for every single web page and every time
you send an email or post/receive messages to/from a newsgroup.

-Mike

P.S. Your IP is 70.25.71.196, you are using Rogers cable internet and are
located somewhere in the vicinity of ottawa in Canada. Everyone having
your IP address and related information has been a fact of life since
Windows 95 and is not likely to change anytime soon. You can check
everyone's ip address by viewing the properties of their messages and
determine ther basic location by any number of free tools on the web. Mine
is 24.4.175.239, I use Comcast and am located somewhere in the vincinty of
San Rafael in the U.S..

-Mike

LOL
Yup; every single boot-up-phonin home.
Ahh; and correct again; most people don't care.
Bubbles are nice though

Jeff

If the screws keep getting tighter, does that mean I'm getting screwed?

I've read the new EULA. It's very vague. How does one "assign to a
device". Write the device a love note? Holler the devices' name from a
roof-top. Have one's secretary point? It doesn't make any sense.

And while the EULA say I can "reassign" [how's that done?] "one time".
It doen't say I can do it more than once. It says I can do it one time.
The EULA doesn't cover if I should do it two times. It doesn't say
either way.

It's a crazy unworkable EULA that probably should be ignored. Buy your
copy, use it on one computer at a time and ignore the rest. Be
circumscript should you have to phone in.

And how can the report of an IP address not be "personal information"?
To all intents and purposes, the IP address does ID a person. Sheesh.

Do you realize how many times in a week your Windows Vista will check on
you and even report on you? Every time you boot and maybe then some.
Everytime you update and maybe then some. Every time WGA Notifications
decides and it *will* be including a personally identifiable IP address.
And with a new restriction per every few months, who knows what is
coming down the Microsoft pipe? Forced upgrades? Lock you out from your
private files? (whoops .. they already will do that) What else do you
have planned for your customers, Microsoft? Why not just give us all the
possible restrictions you have planned right now and so we can decide if
we even want to stay on the Microsoft train?

Most of us, like me, are little froggies in a slowly heating pot of
water. It's beginning to steam now, but we don't want to get out 'cause
the dancing bunnies are so pretty.

We're all so apathetic. Lame easy pushovers who accept everything that
is shoved at them. 'Especially me.

Microsoft, do want me to spit or swallow?

 

[deebs]

Yup
192.168.0.x


Stupid Remote assistance can't deal with NAT (routers).
Duh? If IP is private range, Ask for the public IP (or better yet,
snag it and instruct the user to have port "z" forwarded to the local
IP, "y" of this machine.

So, you fool yourself and believe that the fooling is 100% effective?

 

[Jeff]

Which part of the thread is this a reply too?