New build tips

[RB]

Present plan is to retire my old system is a new build using the Asus
P4P800E Deluxe.

P4 2.8 GHz 533MHz FSB
2 x 256 MB Crucial PC3200 DDR
GeForce FX5200 128MB video
Chieftec Dragon DX-01 case
Nexus 350w PSU
Nexus 80cm case fan
Seagate HD from old system + another

Was going to go for the P4 2.8GHz 533MHz FSB because I've heard the new
800MHz version is no faster and runs hotter. Not much difference in price.

GeForce FX5200 128MB video should be enough for me.

Was going to put a 350w Nexus PSU into a Chieftec Dragon case. Will have 2
HD + 2 CD/DVD drives + floppy + card reader + TV card. Will that be
adequate?

Crucial offer suitable DDR at 2700 and 3200 for same price. Any reason not
to go with the 3200?

Will be used for Photoshop and web-design. Any thoughts or comments and
anything else I need to know to make it pain-free much appreciated.

 

[Ben Pope]

Present plan is to retire my old system is a new build using the Asus
P4P800E Deluxe.

P4 2.8 GHz 533MHz FSB
2 x 256 MB Crucial PC3200 DDR
GeForce FX5200 128MB video
Chieftec Dragon DX-01 case
Nexus 350w PSU
Nexus 80cm case fan
Seagate HD from old system + another

Was going to go for the P4 2.8GHz 533MHz FSB because I've heard the new
800MHz version is no faster and runs hotter. Not much difference in price.

It probably depends on what you are doing as to whether the difference is
noticeable or not. I would probably go for the 800FSB version over the 533.

GeForce FX5200 128MB video should be enough for me.

Was going to put a 350w Nexus PSU into a Chieftec Dragon case. Will have
2 HD + 2 CD/DVD drives + floppy + card reader + TV card. Will that be
adequate?

16A on the 12V rail... tight.

Crucial offer suitable DDR at 2700 and 3200 for same price. Any reason not
to go with the 3200?

No reason. It's better RAM.

Will be used for Photoshop and web-design. Any thoughts or comments and
anything else I need to know to make it pain-free much appreciated.

Ensure that your PSU is gonna be enough, and that it's not worth going for
the 800FSB version.

Ben

 

[RB]

Ensure that your PSU is gonna be enough, and that it's not worth going for
the 800FSB version.

Cheers Ben. Will go for a bigger PSU. Do you mean consider the 800FSB
Northwood or the Prescott or either?

 

[Paul]

Present plan is to retire my old system is a new build using the Asus
P4P800E Deluxe.

P4 2.8 GHz 533MHz FSB
2 x 256 MB Crucial PC3200 DDR
GeForce FX5200 128MB video
Chieftec Dragon DX-01 case
Nexus 350w PSU
Nexus 80cm case fan
Seagate HD from old system + another

Was going to go for the P4 2.8GHz 533MHz FSB because I've heard the new
800MHz version is no faster and runs hotter. Not much difference in price.

GeForce FX5200 128MB video should be enough for me.

Was going to put a 350w Nexus PSU into a Chieftec Dragon case. Will have 2
HD + 2 CD/DVD drives + floppy + card reader + TV card. Will that be
adequate?

Crucial offer suitable DDR at 2700 and 3200 for same price. Any reason not
to go with the 3200?

Will be used for Photoshop and web-design. Any thoughts or comments and
anything else I need to know to make it pain-free much appreciated.

To review the processors, go to processorfinder.intel.com .
There are a number of models at 2.8GHz, and the new Prescotts are
the ones that run hot. You want a Northwood, which have a 512KB
cache, and that is one way to tell what you are getting. In
this case, they take 20 watts less power.

2.8A/533 1MB cache 90nm (Prescott) 89Watts Part num SL7D8
2.8E/800 1MB cache 90nm (Prescott) 89Watts Part num SL79K

2.8/800 512KB cache 130nm (Northwood) 69.7Watts SL6WT or SL6WJ
2.8/533 512KB cache 130nm (Northwood) 68.4Watts SL6QB or SL6PF

In adverts, the 2.8/800 may be referred to as 2.8C.

Intel has priced the Prescotts to be attractive, but why waste
the extra power, which is due to more DC leakage current. In
other words, at least some of the extra power is just wasted
and does no useful work. Purely a result of using 90nm feature
size on the gates.

I've measured my 2.8/800 (SL6WJ), and in Win2k sitting idle,
the Vcore circuit draws [email protected] amps, which is a very small power
drain. I doubt the Prescott could come even close.

You will also notice, that the difference in power dissipated
is not strongly influenced by FSB speed. The core dissipates
most of the power, compared to the I/O. I think you'll find
a 2.8/800/512KB is a good match for your PC3200 DDR400 ram.

Wasting the extra money going to 3.0/3.2/3.4 GHz doesn't make
much sense. It didn't for me at least.

HTH,
Paul

 

[Ben Pope]

Cheers Ben. Will go for a bigger PSU. Do you mean consider the 800FSB
Northwood or the Prescott or either?

Couldn't tell ya'... Pauls reply seems informed.

Ben

 

[Paul]

It probably depends on what you are doing as to whether the difference is
noticeable or not. I would probably go for the 800FSB version over the 533.


16A on the 12V rail... tight.


No reason. It's better RAM.



Ensure that your PSU is gonna be enough, and that it's not worth going for
the 800FSB version.

Ben

The FX5200 video card draws next to no power (and usually doesn't
even have a fan on it for cooling). To me, this would suggest
less than the average load on the PSU. Figure 8 amps for the 2.8C,
1 amp for fans, 0.5A x 2 disk drives, none for video, gives maybe
10A of load on +12V. You can buy a more power supply if you plan
some expansion or a more powerful video card at some future date.
Nothing more annoying than having to buy a new PSU when you fit a
new video card. The fact that many computer cases come bundled
with 300 or 350W power supplies doesn't help, when fitting monster
video cards. Helps fill the landfill with PSUs.

Paul

 

[SPRITE1001]

Present plan is to retire my old system is a new build using the Asus
P4P800E Deluxe.

P4 2.8 GHz 533MHz FSB
2 x 256 MB Crucial PC3200 DDR
GeForce FX5200 128MB video
Chieftec Dragon DX-01 case
Nexus 350w PSU
Nexus 80cm case fan
Seagate HD from old system + another

Was going to go for the P4 2.8GHz 533MHz FSB because I've heard the new
800MHz version is no faster and runs hotter. Not much difference in price.

GeForce FX5200 128MB video should be enough for me.

Was going to put a 350w Nexus PSU into a Chieftec Dragon case. Will have 2
HD + 2 CD/DVD drives + floppy + card reader + TV card. Will that be
adequate?

Crucial offer suitable DDR at 2700 and 3200 for same price. Any reason not
to go with the 3200?

Will be used for Photoshop and web-design. Any thoughts or comments and
anything else I need to know to make it pain-free much appreciated.

I'd recomend bumping up your RAM a bit. if price is an issue go for 1x512 over
the 2x256. It'll leave more room to expand later and if your a power photoshop
user your going to want to be running a gig of RAM if you can. Having gone from
512 to 1gig recently myself I can testify to it making a noticable improvement.

~Arie

 

[RB]

I'd recomend bumping up your RAM a bit. if price is an issue go for 1x512 over
the 2x256. It'll leave more room to expand later and if your a power photoshop
user your going to want to be running a gig of RAM if you can. Having gone from
512 to 1gig recently myself I can testify to it making a noticable

improvement.

Thanks all. After getting by with a 1Ghz system for the last 3 years was
worried that too much speed might be a shock to my system.

Would a single 512 stick rather than dual 256's make any noticeable degrade
to performance?

 

[Ben Pope]

Thanks all. After getting by with a 1Ghz system for the last 3 years was
worried that too much speed might be a shock to my system.

Would a single 512 stick rather than dual 256's make any noticeable
degrade to performance?

It should make a noticeable difference on an Intel.

Ben

 

[SPRITE1001]

It depends on if your running dual channel, intels dual channel actualy works
well so yeah you may see a differnce.

However if you intend to use graphic programs heavyly (and sorry if I got that
confused) your going to want to go higher than 512 at somepoint. This way your
not going to have to sell off sticks of ram to make room for the larger
moduals.

But yeah, if you never intend to go above 512 then stick with the 2x256.

 

[RB]

Thanks to all. Will decide on that and anything else in the next day or two.

 

[Jack Lee]

I would recommend using the Chenming 602 Chassis instead of the
Chieftec 601 because the 602 has a little bit more features to it that
enhance the overall features of the computer.

You can check out there Chenming 602 case over at HardwareCooling.com

In regards to the hard drive stick with serial ata drives. They are
alot better.