Networking two computers

[casey.o]

I'm considering networking my XP computer to my Win98/Win2K computer.
Both have netword cards built in. I bought a network cable (looks like
a telephone cable, but the plugs are larger).

I'm new at this sort of thing, so I'm not sure where to begin. Do I
just plug the cord into each computer, or do I need a hub? (I dont have
a hub). Do I need drivers, or are they built into the computer? I know
on the XP computer thjere were drivers installed when I setup XP to the
machine. And there is a light on the network plug that flashes. On the
Win98 machine, I am not quite sure if it's installed or not (no light).
And on the dual booted Win2000 on that same computer, I am always asked
to install the driver for that Ethernet, when I load W2K, and I always
skip it. (I used to have that ethernet disabled in bios, but that got
reset when the system battery died and the bios got set back to
default). [I just never bothered to reset that back].

I'm just looking to be able to access the data from one computer to the
other. Presently I only have internet access on the W98 computer, and
everytime I download something for the XP computer, I have to transfer
it using a Flash Drive. It would be easierr if I could just get my
downloaded file directly across a network, not to mention having access
to my music files, photos, and other stored files from both computers.

Aside from plugging in the cable, I'm lost as far as what to do
next.....

Appreciate any help.

Thanks

PS. Am I correct in assuming that I'd have to setup the network in BOTH
operating systems on the Win98/Win2000 computer?

 

[Good Guy]

I'm considering networking my XP computer to my Win98/Win2K computer.
Both have netword cards built in. I bought a network cable (looks like
a telephone cable, but the plugs are larger).

I'm new at this sort of thing, so I'm not sure where to begin. Do I
just plug the cord into each computer, or do I need a hub? (I dont have
a hub). Do I need drivers, or are they built into the computer? I know
on the XP computer thjere were drivers installed when I setup XP to the
machine. And there is a light on the network plug that flashes. On the
Win98 machine, I am not quite sure if it's installed or not (no light).
And on the dual booted Win2000 on that same computer, I am always asked
to install the driver for that Ethernet, when I load W2K, and I always
skip it. (I used to have that ethernet disabled in bios, but that got
reset when the system battery died and the bios got set back to
default). [I just never bothered to reset that back].

I'm just looking to be able to access the data from one computer to the
other. Presently I only have internet access on the W98 computer, and
everytime I download something for the XP computer, I have to transfer
it using a Flash Drive. It would be easierr if I could just get my
downloaded file directly across a network, not to mention having access
to my music files, photos, and other stored files from both computers.

Aside from plugging in the cable, I'm lost as far as what to do
next.....

Appreciate any help.

Thanks

PS. Am I correct in assuming that I'd have to setup the network in BOTH
operating systems on the Win98/Win2000 computer?

If you buy a hub/router then all computers would get the IP address
automatically because all modern routers are DHCP by default.

If you connect the two computers directly then you will need to have this:

1) Crossover cable (normally yellow or a cable with yellow strip;
2) Enter the IP addresses manually on all computers that needs to be
connected. (192.168.1.2; 192.168.1.3; 192.168.1.4 etc etc. Just make
sure they are unique)

All computers with Windows95 and later have network drivers installed by
default so you won't need any third party drivers.

Crossover cable I am thinking of are something like this:

<http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/cat-5e-male-to-male-network-crossover-cable-1m-a36aw>

Microsoft's Instructions for connecting two computers is here:

<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/connect-two-computers-crossover-cable#1TC=windows-vista>

The link is for Vista but it is the same in XP and prior versions which
are no longer supported by Microsoft.

 

[casey.o]

I'm considering networking my XP computer to my Win98/Win2K computer.
Both have netword cards built in. I bought a network cable (looks like
a telephone cable, but the plugs are larger).

I'm new at this sort of thing, so I'm not sure where to begin. Do I
just plug the cord into each computer, or do I need a hub? (I dont have
a hub). Do I need drivers, or are they built into the computer? I know
on the XP computer thjere were drivers installed when I setup XP to the
machine. And there is a light on the network plug that flashes. On the
Win98 machine, I am not quite sure if it's installed or not (no light).
And on the dual booted Win2000 on that same computer, I am always asked
to install the driver for that Ethernet, when I load W2K, and I always
skip it. (I used to have that ethernet disabled in bios, but that got
reset when the system battery died and the bios got set back to
default). [I just never bothered to reset that back].

I'm just looking to be able to access the data from one computer to the
other. Presently I only have internet access on the W98 computer, and
everytime I download something for the XP computer, I have to transfer
it using a Flash Drive. It would be easierr if I could just get my
downloaded file directly across a network, not to mention having access
to my music files, photos, and other stored files from both computers.

Aside from plugging in the cable, I'm lost as far as what to do
next.....

Appreciate any help.

Thanks

PS. Am I correct in assuming that I'd have to setup the network in BOTH
operating systems on the Win98/Win2000 computer?

If you buy a hub/router then all computers would get the IP address
automatically because all modern routers are DHCP by default.

If you connect the two computers directly then you will need to have this:

1) Crossover cable (normally yellow or a cable with yellow strip;
2) Enter the IP addresses manually on all computers that needs to be
connected. (192.168.1.2; 192.168.1.3; 192.168.1.4 etc etc. Just make
sure they are unique)

All computers with Windows95 and later have network drivers installed by
default so you won't need any third party drivers.

Crossover cable I am thinking of are something like this:

<http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/cat-5e-male-to-male-network-crossover-cable-1m-a36aw>

Microsoft's Instructions for connecting two computers is here:

<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/connect-two-computers-crossover-cable#1TC=windows-vista>

The link is for Vista but it is the same in XP and prior versions which
are no longer supported by Microsoft.

Ok, I do have several cables and at least one of them is yellow. I
assume if I put a multimeter on both ends, the wires will read as being
reversed.

I'm not sure where to enter those IP addresses though. I could use a
little more info. Thanks!

 

[Paul]

I'm considering networking my XP computer to my Win98/Win2K computer.
Both have netword cards built in. I bought a network cable (looks like
a telephone cable, but the plugs are larger).

I'm new at this sort of thing, so I'm not sure where to begin. Do I
just plug the cord into each computer, or do I need a hub? (I dont have
a hub). Do I need drivers, or are they built into the computer? I know
on the XP computer thjere were drivers installed when I setup XP to the
machine. And there is a light on the network plug that flashes. On the
Win98 machine, I am not quite sure if it's installed or not (no light).
And on the dual booted Win2000 on that same computer, I am always asked
to install the driver for that Ethernet, when I load W2K, and I always
skip it. (I used to have that ethernet disabled in bios, but that got
reset when the system battery died and the bios got set back to
default). [I just never bothered to reset that back].

I'm just looking to be able to access the data from one computer to the
other. Presently I only have internet access on the W98 computer, and
everytime I download something for the XP computer, I have to transfer
it using a Flash Drive. It would be easierr if I could just get my
downloaded file directly across a network, not to mention having access
to my music files, photos, and other stored files from both computers.

Aside from plugging in the cable, I'm lost as far as what to do
next.....

Appreciate any help.

Thanks

PS. Am I correct in assuming that I'd have to setup the network in BOTH
operating systems on the Win98/Win2000 computer?

If you buy a hub/router then all computers would get the IP address
automatically because all modern routers are DHCP by default.

If you connect the two computers directly then you will need to have this:

1) Crossover cable (normally yellow or a cable with yellow strip;
2) Enter the IP addresses manually on all computers that needs to be
connected. (192.168.1.2; 192.168.1.3; 192.168.1.4 etc etc. Just make
sure they are unique)

All computers with Windows95 and later have network drivers installed by
default so you won't need any third party drivers.

Crossover cable I am thinking of are something like this:

<http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/cat-5e-male-to-male-network-crossover-cable-1m-a36aw>

Microsoft's Instructions for connecting two computers is here:

<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/connect-two-computers-crossover-cable#1TC=windows-vista>

The link is for Vista but it is the same in XP and prior versions which
are no longer supported by Microsoft.

Ok, I do have several cables and at least one of them is yellow. I
assume if I put a multimeter on both ends, the wires will read as being
reversed.

I'm not sure where to enter those IP addresses though. I could use a
little more info. Thanks!

You can try an experiment first, and just see what happens.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/234815

Ethernet
Dialup_modem --- Win98SE ---------------------- WinXP
(Enable 192.168.1.x
ICS)

If both computers use 10/100BT NICS, then you would profit
from a crossover cable. If even one of the computers
has a GbE NIC (10/100/1000 speeds), that end will have
MDIX for automatically connecting the right signal pairs
together. In such a case (at least one computer with MDIX),
then a straight-thru cable would work.

I only own one crossover cable, and it has a red connector
on one end and a blue connector on the other end. My collection
of straight-thru cables, have blue connectors on both ends.
Before you buzz with the multimeter, you can inspect the color
scheme for a hint.

Only pins 1,2,3,6 are needed for 10/100BT connections. But
your average store-bought cable now, has all eight.
The excess four wires would not be used when only 10/100BT
rates are involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable

When connecting GbE capable NICs together, all eight wires
are used, as four diff pairs. So then your cable with the
eight wires, is fully used.

*******

The Limitations section here, suggests the middle computer
will be 192.168.0.1 on its right-most interface, and the
ICS DHCP will tell the right-most computer (WinXP) to use
a similar address (like 192.168.0.2). It should "just work",
if you set up the middle computer first, then when finished,
rebooted etc, go turn on the WinXP machine and it can use DHCP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Connection_Sharing

So really, all you'd need to do, is find the setting to turn
on ICS on the NIC of the center machine.

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/ics/icsinstall.htm

It's something called the Internet Connection Sharing Wizard.

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/images/Image38.gif

Paul

 

[Don Phillipson]

I'm considering networking my XP computer to my Win98/Win2K computer.
Both have netword cards built in. I bought a network cable (looks like
a telephone cable, but the plugs are larger).

I'm new at this sort of thing, so I'm not sure where to begin. Do I
just plug the cord into each computer, or do I need a hub?

Your single most useful tool will be a copy of the book WindowsXP
for Dummies by Woody Leonhard. My copy (2002) explained how
to overcome that Win98 and WinXP took different approaches to
networking -- but in the long run it proved simpler to convert the
Win98 PC to WinXP as well. The NTFS file system (unavailable
to Win98) is better than FAT32 i.e. needs less time to monitor
and maintain.

 

[casey.o]

I only own one crossover cable, and it has a red connector
on one end and a blue connector on the other end. My collection
of straight-thru cables, have blue connectors on both ends.
Before you buzz with the multimeter, you can inspect the color
scheme for a hint.

You must have a special cable there. I found that none of the three
cables I have are crossover types. So, I went on Ebay. None of the
crossover cables sold on there have colored ends, and it also appers
that these cable are sold in every color possible. So, it seems there is
no real means to identify them, [as they are sold]. (Which seems kind
of stupid). But they're mostly cheap enough, so I plan to buy one. A
10 footer is as little as about $4. I noticed they have adaptors too,
but they cost more than a cable. I'll Identify mine as a crossover
cable by putting a band of red electrical tape on it.

 

[Ken Springer]

I'm considering networking my XP computer to my Win98/Win2K computer.
Both have netword cards built in. I bought a network cable (looks like
a telephone cable, but the plugs are larger).

I'm new at this sort of thing, so I'm not sure where to begin. Do I
just plug the cord into each computer, or do I need a hub? (I dont have
a hub). Do I need drivers, or are they built into the computer? I know
on the XP computer thjere were drivers installed when I setup XP to the
machine. And there is a light on the network plug that flashes. On the
Win98 machine, I am not quite sure if it's installed or not (no light).
And on the dual booted Win2000 on that same computer, I am always asked
to install the driver for that Ethernet, when I load W2K, and I always
skip it. (I used to have that ethernet disabled in bios, but that got
reset when the system battery died and the bios got set back to
default). [I just never bothered to reset that back].

I'm just looking to be able to access the data from one computer to the
other. Presently I only have internet access on the W98 computer, and
everytime I download something for the XP computer, I have to transfer
it using a Flash Drive. It would be easierr if I could just get my
downloaded file directly across a network, not to mention having access
to my music files, photos, and other stored files from both computers.

Aside from plugging in the cable, I'm lost as far as what to do
next.....

Appreciate any help.

Thanks

PS. Am I correct in assuming that I'd have to setup the network in BOTH
operating systems on the Win98/Win2000 computer?

If you buy a hub/router then all computers would get the IP address
automatically because all modern routers are DHCP by default.

If you connect the two computers directly then you will need to have this:

1) Crossover cable (normally yellow or a cable with yellow strip;
2) Enter the IP addresses manually on all computers that needs to be
connected. (192.168.1.2; 192.168.1.3; 192.168.1.4 etc etc. Just make
sure they are unique)

All computers with Windows95 and later have network drivers installed by
default so you won't need any third party drivers.

Crossover cable I am thinking of are something like this:

<http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/cat-5e-male-to-male-network-crossover-cable-1m-a36aw>

Microsoft's Instructions for connecting two computers is here:

<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/connect-two-computers-crossover-cable#1TC=windows-vista>

The link is for Vista but it is the same in XP and prior versions which
are no longer supported by Microsoft.

Ok, I do have several cables and at least one of them is yellow. I
assume if I put a multimeter on both ends, the wires will read as being
reversed.

Color means nothing. I'm sure you've found that out by now. I
have yellow cables that are normal cables. I also have a crossover
cable that is yellow, but it's been clearly tagged by the maker that
it's a crossover cable.

And you don't need a multimeter. Just hold the two ends side by side,
same orientation, such as the release tang is on the top. If the
colored wire insulation in the clear connectors are in the same order,
it's a plain cable. I used this idea all the time with my old Atari
Mega 4 computer to determine if I had the correct cable for connecting
the keyboard to the computer.

I'm not sure where to enter those IP addresses though. I could use a
little more info. Thanks!

--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.3.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

 

[Ken Springer]

I'm considering networking my XP computer to my Win98/Win2K computer.
Both have netword cards built in. I bought a network cable (looks like
a telephone cable, but the plugs are larger).

I'm new at this sort of thing, so I'm not sure where to begin. Do I
just plug the cord into each computer, or do I need a hub? (I dont have
a hub). Do I need drivers, or are they built into the computer? I know
on the XP computer thjere were drivers installed when I setup XP to the
machine. And there is a light on the network plug that flashes. On the
Win98 machine, I am not quite sure if it's installed or not (no light).
And on the dual booted Win2000 on that same computer, I am always asked
to install the driver for that Ethernet, when I load W2K, and I always
skip it. (I used to have that ethernet disabled in bios, but that got
reset when the system battery died and the bios got set back to
default). [I just never bothered to reset that back].

I'm just looking to be able to access the data from one computer to the
other. Presently I only have internet access on the W98 computer, and
everytime I download something for the XP computer, I have to transfer
it using a Flash Drive. It would be easierr if I could just get my
downloaded file directly across a network, not to mention having access
to my music files, photos, and other stored files from both computers.

Aside from plugging in the cable, I'm lost as far as what to do
next.....

Appreciate any help.

Thanks

PS. Am I correct in assuming that I'd have to setup the network in BOTH
operating systems on the Win98/Win2000 computer?

Just my last two cents (LOL), but I would not do the crossover cable.
There's no expansion possibilities. With a router, you can expand,
adding a network printer that would let you print from either computer,
without having to have both computers turned on.

Before it failed, I had a network printer here, and I could print from
any of 4 separate computers.

Just an FYI, a hub is for USB cables, a switch is for network cables.

--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.3.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

 

[casey.o]

I'm considering networking my XP computer to my Win98/Win2K computer.
Both have netword cards built in. I bought a network cable (looks like
a telephone cable, but the plugs are larger).

I'm new at this sort of thing, so I'm not sure where to begin. Do I
just plug the cord into each computer, or do I need a hub? (I dont have
a hub). Do I need drivers, or are they built into the computer? I know
on the XP computer thjere were drivers installed when I setup XP to the
machine. And there is a light on the network plug that flashes. On the
Win98 machine, I am not quite sure if it's installed or not (no light).
And on the dual booted Win2000 on that same computer, I am always asked
to install the driver for that Ethernet, when I load W2K, and I always
skip it. (I used to have that ethernet disabled in bios, but that got
reset when the system battery died and the bios got set back to
default). [I just never bothered to reset that back].

I'm just looking to be able to access the data from one computer to the
other. Presently I only have internet access on the W98 computer, and
everytime I download something for the XP computer, I have to transfer
it using a Flash Drive. It would be easierr if I could just get my
downloaded file directly across a network, not to mention having access
to my music files, photos, and other stored files from both computers.

Aside from plugging in the cable, I'm lost as far as what to do
next.....

Appreciate any help.

Thanks

PS. Am I correct in assuming that I'd have to setup the network in BOTH
operating systems on the Win98/Win2000 computer?

Just my last two cents (LOL), but I would not do the crossover cable.
There's no expansion possibilities. With a router, you can expand,
adding a network printer that would let you print from either computer,
without having to have both computers turned on.

Before it failed, I had a network printer here, and I could print from
any of 4 separate computers.

As little as I print, this dont matter. But I can see your point.

Just an FYI, a hub is for USB cables, a switch is for network cables.

Not on Ebay. Search for ethernet hub, and lots of them show up, all
have plugs for he ethernet type cables. But I have seen those multi USB
devices. Cant say I ever saw them called "hubs", but it would be a
fitting word.

 

[casey.o]

Color means nothing. I'm sure you've found that out by now. I
have yellow cables that are normal cables. I also have a crossover
cable that is yellow, but it's been clearly tagged by the maker that
it's a crossover cable.

And you don't need a multimeter. Just hold the two ends side by side,
same orientation, such as the release tang is on the top. If the
colored wire insulation in the clear connectors are in the same order,
it's a plain cable. I used this idea all the time with my old Atari
Mega 4 computer to determine if I had the correct cable for connecting
the keyboard to the computer.

Yep, I found out on Ebay that they come in all colors of the rainbow in
both the straight thru and crossover types. I bought one. Paid an
extra buck to get a 15 footer, so for $5 I got one. I had the choice of
gray or orange. I chose orange, because I have a gray one that is not a
crossover. I CAN SEE WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT LOOKING AT THE CLEAR
CONNECTORS. (damn capslock)...

 

[Paul]

I'm considering networking my XP computer to my Win98/Win2K computer.
Both have netword cards built in. I bought a network cable (looks like
a telephone cable, but the plugs are larger).

I'm new at this sort of thing, so I'm not sure where to begin. Do I
just plug the cord into each computer, or do I need a hub? (I dont have
a hub). Do I need drivers, or are they built into the computer? I know
on the XP computer thjere were drivers installed when I setup XP to the
machine. And there is a light on the network plug that flashes. On the
Win98 machine, I am not quite sure if it's installed or not (no light).
And on the dual booted Win2000 on that same computer, I am always asked
to install the driver for that Ethernet, when I load W2K, and I always
skip it. (I used to have that ethernet disabled in bios, but that got
reset when the system battery died and the bios got set back to
default). [I just never bothered to reset that back].

I'm just looking to be able to access the data from one computer to the
other. Presently I only have internet access on the W98 computer, and
everytime I download something for the XP computer, I have to transfer
it using a Flash Drive. It would be easierr if I could just get my
downloaded file directly across a network, not to mention having access
to my music files, photos, and other stored files from both computers.

Aside from plugging in the cable, I'm lost as far as what to do
next.....

Appreciate any help.

Thanks

PS. Am I correct in assuming that I'd have to setup the network in BOTH
operating systems on the Win98/Win2000 computer?

Just my last two cents (LOL), but I would not do the crossover cable.
There's no expansion possibilities. With a router, you can expand,
adding a network printer that would let you print from either computer,
without having to have both computers turned on.

Before it failed, I had a network printer here, and I could print from
any of 4 separate computers.

Just an FYI, a hub is for USB cables, a switch is for network cables.

For some people, ICS is the quickest way to satisfy the urge
to connect computers together. After a while, the lack of
practicality sets in.

For Casey though, who is on dialup and is having trouble with the
WinXP machine doing dialup (spiral of death or similar), ICS is
practical, as the machine where the dialup does work (the Win98 machine)
has to be on to continue to do the dialup. So for this specific scenario,
ICS is pretty efficient. Now, if Casey could fix modem operation in
WinXP, this wouldn't be necessary.

Ethernet
dialup_modem ------- Win98 --------------------------- WinXP
(Crossover, if 10/100BT)

I'm just surprised the dialup modem problem can't be fixed.
When I was using it with Freenet on WinXP, I didn't have a
problem with my USR modem. Seemed to connect at around 43 or so.
I stopped using Freenet, because now it's not free. (I would
use dialup, to check the status page of my ADSL ISP, instead
of spending 45 minutes on hold waiting for their tech support
to answer the phone. We used to have more ADSL outages at one
time, and checking the status page was to see whether they were
scheduled outages or not.)

Paul

 

[Ken Springer]

I'm considering networking my XP computer to my Win98/Win2K computer.
Both have netword cards built in. I bought a network cable (looks like
a telephone cable, but the plugs are larger).

I'm new at this sort of thing, so I'm not sure where to begin. Do I
just plug the cord into each computer, or do I need a hub? (I dont have
a hub). Do I need drivers, or are they built into the computer? I know
on the XP computer thjere were drivers installed when I setup XP to the
machine. And there is a light on the network plug that flashes. On the
Win98 machine, I am not quite sure if it's installed or not (no light).
And on the dual booted Win2000 on that same computer, I am always asked
to install the driver for that Ethernet, when I load W2K, and I always
skip it. (I used to have that ethernet disabled in bios, but that got
reset when the system battery died and the bios got set back to
default). [I just never bothered to reset that back].

I'm just looking to be able to access the data from one computer to the
other. Presently I only have internet access on the W98 computer, and
everytime I download something for the XP computer, I have to transfer
it using a Flash Drive. It would be easierr if I could just get my
downloaded file directly across a network, not to mention having access
to my music files, photos, and other stored files from both computers.

Aside from plugging in the cable, I'm lost as far as what to do
next.....

Appreciate any help.

Thanks

PS. Am I correct in assuming that I'd have to setup the network in BOTH
operating systems on the Win98/Win2000 computer?

Just my last two cents (LOL), but I would not do the crossover cable.
There's no expansion possibilities. With a router, you can expand,
adding a network printer that would let you print from either computer,
without having to have both computers turned on.

Before it failed, I had a network printer here, and I could print from
any of 4 separate computers.

Just an FYI, a hub is for USB cables, a switch is for network cables.

For some people, ICS is the quickest way to satisfy the urge
to connect computers together. After a while, the lack of
practicality sets in.

For Casey though, who is on dialup and is having trouble with the
WinXP machine doing dialup (spiral of death or similar), ICS is
practical, as the machine where the dialup does work (the Win98 machine)
has to be on to continue to do the dialup. So for this specific scenario,
ICS is pretty efficient. Now, if Casey could fix modem operation in
WinXP, this wouldn't be necessary.

Ethernet
dialup_modem ------- Win98 --------------------------- WinXP
(Crossover, if 10/100BT)

I'm just surprised the dialup modem problem can't be fixed.
When I was using it with Freenet on WinXP, I didn't have a
problem with my USR modem. Seemed to connect at around 43 or so.
I stopped using Freenet, because now it's not free. (I would
use dialup, to check the status page of my ADSL ISP, instead
of spending 45 minutes on hold waiting for their tech support
to answer the phone. We used to have more ADSL outages at one
time, and checking the status page was to see whether they were
scheduled outages or not.)

Likewise, I'm also puzzled by his modem/XP issues. I used to refurbish
XP equipment given to me, and I donated them to a local social agency
for single parent families, etc. Never had a modem issue.

I don't remember if casey said, but I wonder if he's actually swapped
modems...


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.3.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

 

[casey.o]

For some people, ICS is the quickest way to satisfy the urge
to connect computers together. After a while, the lack of
practicality sets in.

For Casey though, who is on dialup and is having trouble with the
WinXP machine doing dialup (spiral of death or similar), ICS is
practical, as the machine where the dialup does work (the Win98 machine)
has to be on to continue to do the dialup. So for this specific scenario,
ICS is pretty efficient. Now, if Casey could fix modem operation in
WinXP, this wouldn't be necessary.

Ethernet
dialup_modem ------- Win98 --------------------------- WinXP
(Crossover, if 10/100BT)

I'm just surprised the dialup modem problem can't be fixed.
When I was using it with Freenet on WinXP, I didn't have a
problem with my USR modem. Seemed to connect at around 43 or so.
I stopped using Freenet, because now it's not free. (I would
use dialup, to check the status page of my ADSL ISP, instead
of spending 45 minutes on hold waiting for their tech support
to answer the phone. We used to have more ADSL outages at one
time, and checking the status page was to see whether they were
scheduled outages or not.)

Paul

First off, what is ICS? I searched the web, and get everything from a
FEMA term to concrete saws, to Incident Command System, to Information
and Computer Sciences. To aircraft, a calendar, and ICS Collections
Service, Inc..... I'm lost right from the get-go.....

Then, I ordered a crossover cable from ebay, but in the meantime I
plugged in a standard cable, just to see if it works, because you said
some ethernet ports automatically adjust it. Well, absolutely nothing
happened. Worse yet, going into the newwork wizard is completely
confusing. On XP, it asked me if I want to insert the XP install CD, so
I can use it on the other XP machine, or do I want to copy (something)
to a floppy, or do nothing.......... I selected "Do nothing" becauser I
wont use the XP cd on the Win98 machine, and dont have a floppy drive
(until I buy one) on the XP machine. That alone was confusing, but it's
even worse on Win98. The help file on 98 told me to go to Networks,
then click on TCP/IP. The instant I did that, the internet connected.
Then it told me to type "WINIPCFG" into START / RUN. That gave me thje
IP address of my ISP, and a bunch of other stuff I did not understand.
It appears that the help files in Win98 confuse the internet and
ethernet, or treat them as one and the same. Then again, the help files
in Win98 have always sucked.

I am almost sorry I ordered that crossover cable. I'm afraid just
setting this up is gonna be another 3 week project, unless I can find a
website that tells me what to do step by step in terms that are
understandable. And finding such a site is near impossible, when they
insist on using terms that only a person with a degree in computers can
understand. Of course I'll need this for BOTH OSs.

Besides using this for the internet connection on my Win98 machine, I
want to be able to share my music, videos and other stored data. All of
that is stored on my Win98 machine. I dont want to duplicate it on
another computer, which not only wastes drive space, but would become
impossible to repeatedly modify as I add stuff, so both computers had
the same files and structure. Presently if I want to use any of my data
storage on the XP computer, I have to keep shuffling flash drives. Or I
can plug in my backup USB hard drive, but this 1TB drive can not be read
in Win98. To use it, I have to reboot to Win2000.

Thus, the network seems like the solution to all this file shuffling
nonsense, but if it takes weeks to set it up, I may as well just keep
shuffling files via flash drives.

I have to admit that networking seems to be one of the most confusing
things about computers, and I dont fully understand how it all works
anyhow. I would have thought that XP, would have set it up
automatically, since XP is suppoased to be plug-and-play.....

At the same time, I did have two computers networked together about 18
years ago. But that was Win 3.11 and Win95, but someone else set it up
for me. And from what I can remember, that was using serial port
cables, not ethernet.

One thing I fear is that I'll run out of drive letters. On my XP
machine, I'm up to M: (without any usb stuff plugged in). On Win98 I'm
up to J: If the drives letters are combined, I may have a problem.....

 

[Hot-Text]

| Ken Springer wrote:
| > On 4/17/14 12:11 PM, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
| >> I'm considering networking my XP computer to my Win98/Win2K computer.
| >> Both have netword cards built in. I bought a network cable (looks like
| >> a telephone cable, but the plugs are larger).
| >>
<Cut OUT>>
|
| For some people, ICS is the quickest way to satisfy the urge
| to connect computers together. After a while, the lack of
| practicality sets in.
|
| For Casey though, who is on dialup and is having trouble with the
| WinXP machine doing dialup (spiral of death or similar), ICS is
| practical, as the machine where the dialup does work (the Win98 machine)
| has to be on to continue to do the dialup. So for this specific scenario,
| ICS is pretty efficient. Now, if Casey could fix modem operation in
| WinXP, this wouldn't be necessary.
|
| Ethernet
| dialup_modem ------- Win98 --------------------------- WinXP
| (Crossover, if 10/100BT)
|
| I'm just surprised the dialup modem problem can't be fixed.
| When I was using it with Freenet on WinXP, I didn't have a
| problem with my USR modem. Seemed to connect at around 43 or so.
| I stopped using Freenet, because now it's not free. (I would
| use dialup, to check the status page of my ADSL ISP, instead
| of spending 45 minutes on hold waiting for their tech support
| to answer the phone. We used to have more ADSL outages at one
| time, and checking the status page was to see whether they were
| scheduled outages or not.)
|

Paul You Are Good
And 100% Right

 

[Paul]

First off, what is ICS? I searched the web, and get everything from a
FEMA term to concrete saws, to Incident Command System, to Information
and Computer Sciences. To aircraft, a calendar, and ICS Collections
Service, Inc..... I'm lost right from the get-go.....

Then, I ordered a crossover cable from ebay, but in the meantime I
plugged in a standard cable, just to see if it works, because you said
some ethernet ports automatically adjust it. Well, absolutely nothing
happened. Worse yet, going into the newwork wizard is completely
confusing. On XP, it asked me if I want to insert the XP install CD, so
I can use it on the other XP machine, or do I want to copy (something)
to a floppy, or do nothing.......... I selected "Do nothing" becauser I
wont use the XP cd on the Win98 machine, and dont have a floppy drive
(until I buy one) on the XP machine. That alone was confusing, but it's
even worse on Win98. The help file on 98 told me to go to Networks,
then click on TCP/IP. The instant I did that, the internet connected.
Then it told me to type "WINIPCFG" into START / RUN. That gave me thje
IP address of my ISP, and a bunch of other stuff I did not understand.
It appears that the help files in Win98 confuse the internet and
ethernet, or treat them as one and the same. Then again, the help files
in Win98 have always sucked.

I am almost sorry I ordered that crossover cable. I'm afraid just
setting this up is gonna be another 3 week project, unless I can find a
website that tells me what to do step by step in terms that are
understandable. And finding such a site is near impossible, when they
insist on using terms that only a person with a degree in computers can
understand. Of course I'll need this for BOTH OSs.

Besides using this for the internet connection on my Win98 machine, I
want to be able to share my music, videos and other stored data. All of
that is stored on my Win98 machine. I dont want to duplicate it on
another computer, which not only wastes drive space, but would become
impossible to repeatedly modify as I add stuff, so both computers had
the same files and structure. Presently if I want to use any of my data
storage on the XP computer, I have to keep shuffling flash drives. Or I
can plug in my backup USB hard drive, but this 1TB drive can not be read
in Win98. To use it, I have to reboot to Win2000.

Thus, the network seems like the solution to all this file shuffling
nonsense, but if it takes weeks to set it up, I may as well just keep
shuffling files via flash drives.

I have to admit that networking seems to be one of the most confusing
things about computers, and I dont fully understand how it all works
anyhow. I would have thought that XP, would have set it up
automatically, since XP is suppoased to be plug-and-play.....

At the same time, I did have two computers networked together about 18
years ago. But that was Win 3.11 and Win95, but someone else set it up
for me. And from what I can remember, that was using serial port
cables, not ethernet.

One thing I fear is that I'll run out of drive letters. On my XP
machine, I'm up to M: (without any usb stuff plugged in). On Win98 I'm
up to J: If the drives letters are combined, I may have a problem.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_connection_sharing

You want the Win98SE link on this page. You are going to use ICS on
the Win98 machine. The WinXP machine should use the default "automatic"
settings, where it uses DHCP to query the Win98 machine for all the
details of its connection.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050217042315/http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/

If the machines are 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2, you can ping the
other guy's IP address, to verify he is there.

ping 192.168.0.2

(from the Win98 machine)

Paul

 

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