NETBEUI between Win98SE and XP

[Drily Lit Raga]

I have 2 XP Pro machines and a Win98SE machine all on the LAN side of a
RT314 router. Desiring to isolate one XP machine and my 98 machine
from the internet, I removed TCP/IP protocol from both. My main XP
machine has both NETBEUI and TCP/IP on it and runs anti-virus etc. etc.

I can connect from my main XP machine to the 98SE machine no problem
and access shared drives and folders.

My 98SE machine sees the XP machine in network neighborhood, but when I
try to access it, I get a Network Login dialog, with only a space to
put in a password, not a user name. None of the passwords set up on
the XP machine for various accounts work.

Anyone know how to get past this so I can access shared folders on the
XP machine from 98SE?

 

[Carey]

www.careyholzman.com/net1.htm

Carey

 

[Drily Lit Raga]

www.careyholzman.com/net1.htm

Thanks, but your pages suggest using TCP/IP which is what I want to
avoid. Was there something in there for NETBEUI only?

 

[Carey]

Better start weaning yourself off NetBeui. The next version of Windows XP
(64-bit) won't include it at all and neither will Longhorn...

Carey

 

[Drily Lit Raga]

Better start weaning yourself off NetBeui. The next version of Windows XP
(64-bit) won't include it at all and neither will Longhorn...

Carey

I tried IPX/SPX for this but couldn't get it to work - is it worth
trying?

Mostly I want to isolate these two machines on the LAN from TCP/IP so
I'm not tempted to open a browser and wipe out everything with
virus/spyware/etc. Yes I have a 2-license thing from McAfee, however
the second machine is used for digital audio and it is helpful to leave
virus s/w off for this reason.

I've only had virus problems once recently but that was a huge
distraction getting it taken care of.

 

[Carey]

A virus will travel over any network protocol. The idea behind using a
different protocol for your LAN is to prevent a hacker from invading your
files. A router will pretty-much prevent this any way, and if you add a
software firewall like ZoneAlarm or even the Windows XP firewall that's
included with SP2, no one's gonna get in without some inside help.

Then all you need is TCP/IP, which means the computer will be more efficient
running a single protocol, rather than juggling two.

Carey

 

[Sleepless in Seattle]

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_filesharing/index.htm
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/filesharing.htm
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/troubleshoot/
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0204.mspx

 

[Drily Lit Raga]

A virus will travel over any network protocol. The idea behind using a
different protocol for your LAN is to prevent a hacker from invading your
files. A router will pretty-much prevent this any way, and if you add a
software firewall like ZoneAlarm or even the Windows XP firewall that's
included with SP2, no one's gonna get in without some inside help.

Then all you need is TCP/IP, which means the computer will be more efficient
running a single protocol, rather than juggling two.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Rotes Sapiens]

I have 2 XP Pro machines and a Win98SE machine all on the LAN side of a
RT314 router. Desiring to isolate one XP machine and my 98 machine
from the internet, I removed TCP/IP protocol from both. My main XP
machine has both NETBEUI and TCP/IP on it and runs anti-virus etc. etc.

I can connect from my main XP machine to the 98SE machine no problem
and access shared drives and folders.

My 98SE machine sees the XP machine in network neighborhood, but when I
try to access it, I get a Network Login dialog, with only a space to
put in a password, not a user name. None of the passwords set up on
the XP machine for various accounts work.

Anyone know how to get past this so I can access shared folders on the
XP machine from 98SE?

The Microsoft version of NetBeui uses TCP/IP for the actual transport
layer. I've read that for practical purposes this makes NetBeui
routable. In theory, you can't use the Windows version of NetBeui
without installing TCP/IP.
IPX/SPX was mostly used for games, I think it's obsolete.



Sig:
Work saves us from three great evils: boredom, vice and need. -Voltaire,
philosopher (1694-1778)

 

[johnsuth]

The Microsoft version of NetBeui uses TCP/IP for the actual transport
layer. I've read that for practical purposes this makes NetBeui
routable. In theory, you can't use the Windows version of NetBeui
without installing TCP/IP.

Rubbish! NetBeui was in use long before TCP/IP was invented. You are
thinking of NetBeui OVER TCP/IP a.k.a. NetBT and a few other things.

 

[John Wunderlich]

I have 2 XP Pro machines and a Win98SE machine all on the LAN side
of a RT314 router. Desiring to isolate one XP machine and my 98
machine from the internet, I removed TCP/IP protocol from both.
My main XP machine has both NETBEUI and TCP/IP on it and runs
anti-virus etc. etc.

Put TCP/IP back on the other machines. I'm not familiar with this
particular router, but most DSL/cable routers have a configuration page
where you can block access to the internet by MAC address. Simply go
to the router's configuration page and tell it not to let the MAC
address of your two computers get to the internet.

HTH,
John

 

[Wilfried Hennings]

I have 2 XP Pro machines and a Win98SE machine all on the LAN side of a
RT314 router. Desiring to isolate one XP machine and my 98 machine
from the internet, I removed TCP/IP protocol from both. My main XP
machine has both NETBEUI and TCP/IP on it and runs anti-virus etc. etc.

I can connect from my main XP machine to the 98SE machine no problem
and access shared drives and folders.

My 98SE machine sees the XP machine in network neighborhood, but when I
try to access it, I get a Network Login dialog, with only a space to
put in a password, not a user name. None of the passwords set up on
the XP machine for various accounts work.

The password to be entered on the XP machine must match the password
specified for the shared folder on the 98SE machine. You did share a
folder on the 98SE machine, didn't you?


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[Drily Lit Raga]

The password to be entered on the XP machine must match the password
specified for the shared folder on the 98SE machine. You did share a
folder on the 98SE machine, didn't you?

The whole 98SE drive is shared. Can access it just fine from XP box.
Problem is the other way. Even if I didn't share anything on 98SE, why
would this prevent me from accessing XP across the LAN?

 

[Wilfried Hennings]

The whole 98SE drive is shared. Can access it just fine from XP box.
Problem is the other way. Even if I didn't share anything on 98SE, why
would this prevent me from accessing XP across the LAN?

Sorry, I thought of the wrong direction.
When you start up the 98SE system you must specify one of the user names
which are defined on the XP machine and the password which belongs to
it. E.g. see http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/wxpwin9x.html

Moreover, on the XP machine, you must have the old "LANMAN" password
storing mechanism enabled, i.e. (my English translation, sorry if it
doesn't completely match your system)
Control Panel - Administration - Local Safety Policy - Local Policy -
Safety Options -
- Network Safety: Don't save LAN manager hash values = Deactivated
and
- Network Safety: LAN Manager Authentication Level = Send LM and NTML
responses


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