Net framework--Do I need it?

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skywriter1012003

I am a basic home user with Windows XP--nothing fancy. I would like to know
if Net Framework (2, 3, 3.5) is something I installed by mistake and can
delete or whether it was part of my system as originally installed? I ask
because I have little space on my computer and would love to delete it if I
don't need or use it and if deleting it would not have an adverse affect on
the running of my computer. Any help? Thank you.
 
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Shenan Stanley

skywriter1012003 said:
I am a basic home user with Windows XP--nothing fancy. I would
like to know if Net Framework (2, 3, 3.5) is something I installed
by mistake and can delete or whether it was part of my system as
originally installed? I ask because I have little space on my
computer and would love to delete it if I don't need or use it and
if deleting it would not have an adverse affect on the running of
my computer. Any help? Thank you.

No one but you knows which - if any - of the .NET Frameworks you might need.
Seriously. I am not just saying this to blow you off or something. Your
computer has them installed for one reason or another. Some software you
installed, even a video card driver/utility, could have installed any one of
them for you during its installation. There are many things that use those
now - and they were written with a specific version in mind. Before you
ask - no - there is no list of things that use the .NET Framework - because
it varies so much if nothing else.

As for your space problem - truthfully - if you think uninstalling the .NET
Framework is going to help with that, I have to say that you *are* mistaken.
Let's stretch this to the limits and say that the .NET Framework(s) (all of
them) is taking up 4GB (it isn't - I would guess less than 1GB total.) That
is - today - not much space. USB Thumb Drives (Flash Drives) are at least
that size - if not larger (2GB, 4GB are more common (under $20) - with 8GB,
16GB and 32GB also readily available for well under $100.)

In any case - I would say if you are worried over 5GB or less of free space
on your computer, you have already grossly underestimated your needs when it
comes tro space and you need to take actual corrective action instead of
working around it. In other words - archive the stuff you don't use all
that much - if at all (your stuff - documents, pictures, movies, music,
email, contacts, etc.) and if - after you move that stuff to more permanent
(and frankly - safer) storage - you still do not have enough free space - it
is time to consider an investment into a larger hard disk drive and
replacement. With the cost of hard disk drives these days - you'd probably
easily double/triple (more) the size of your current drive for less than
$100 US Dollars.

But - yes - you should attempt to free up space first - sure. Remember
though - your stuff first. Then you can cleanup any of the little crud that
the OS and other programs may have left behind...

If you are comfortable with the stability of your system, you can delete the
uninstall files for the patches that Windows XP has installed...
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spack.htm
( Particularly of interest here - #4 )
( Alternative: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm )

You can run Disk Cleanup - built into Windows XP - to erase all but your
latest restore point and cleanup even more "loose files"..

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312

You can turn off hibernation if it is on and you don't use it..

When you hibernate your computer, Windows saves the contents of the system's
memory to the hiberfil.sys file. As a result, the size of the hiberfil.sys
file will always equal the amount of physical memory in your system. If you
don't use the hibernate feature and want to recapture the space that Windows
uses for the hiberfil.sys file, perform the following steps:

- Start the Control Panel Power Options applet (go to Start, Settings,
Control Panel, and click Power Options).
- Select the Hibernate tab, clear the "Enable hibernation" check box, then
click OK; although you might think otherwise, selecting Never under the
"System hibernates" option on the Power Schemes tab doesn't delete the
hiberfil.sys file.
- Windows will remove the "System hibernates" option from the Power Schemes
tab and delete the hiberfil.sys file.

You can control how much space your System Restore can use...

1. Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties.
2. Click the System Restore tab.
3. Highlight one of your drives (or C: if you only have one) and click on
the "Settings" button.
4. Change the percentage of disk space you wish to allow.. I suggest moving
the slider until you have just about 1GB (1024MB or close to that...)
5. Click OK.. Then Click OK again.

You can control how much space your Temporary Internet Files can utilize...

Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a
size between 64MB and 128MB..

- Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
- Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
- Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the
following:
- Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
- Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to
something between 64MB and 128MB. (It may be MUCH larger right
now.)
- Click OK.
- Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents"
(the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10
minutes or more.)
- Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet
Explorer.

You can use an application that scans your system for log files and
temporary files and use that to get rid of those:

Ccleaner (Free!)
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Other ways to free up space..

SequoiaView
http://www.win.tue.nl/sequoiaview/

JDiskReport
http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/index.html

Those can help you visually discover where all the space is being used.

In the end - a standard Windows XP installation with all sorts of extras
will not likely be above about 4.5GB to 9GB in size. If you have more space
than that (likely do on a modern machine) and most of it seems to be used -
likely you need to copy *your stuff* off and/or find a better way to manage
it.

Come back, comment, let us know more details (like the size of your hard
disk drive, the amount of current free space, how the cleanup went, etc.)
 
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Skybuck Flying

It probably came from windows update site.

You can try to remove it and then see if your applications still work.

They will probably work since .net is not used much for desktop
applications.

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
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Terry R.

The date and time was Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:56:54 AM, and on a
whim, Skybuck Flying pounded out on the keyboard:
It probably came from windows update site.

You can try to remove it and then see if your applications still work.

They will probably work since .net is not used much for desktop
applications.

Bye,
Skybuck.

That is far from accurate. I install Desktop apps all the time that
"require" certain versions of .NET prior to installation.


Terry R.
 
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philo

skywriter1012003 said:
I am a basic home user with Windows XP--nothing fancy. I would like to
know
if Net Framework (2, 3, 3.5) is something I installed by mistake and can
delete or whether it was part of my system as originally installed? I ask
because I have little space on my computer and would love to delete it if
I
don't need or use it and if deleting it would not have an adverse affect
on
the running of my computer. Any help? Thank you.

It's more than likely needed for some of your applications so I would not
uninstall it.

To create some more free space on your HD have a look at system
restore...it's probably set to the default of 12%...

if so that's *way* higher then you are likely to ever need...drop the slider
down to 3% or so.

Also, if it's not a laptop...turn off hibernation.

Reboot and have a look at your HD free space

You may also want to perform a disk cleanup...
and possibly reduce the size of your temp. internet cache down to a 250 megs
or so
 
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skywriter1012003

Terry R. said:
The date and time was Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:56:54 AM, and on a
whim, Skybuck Flying pounded out on the keyboard:


That is far from accurate. I install Desktop apps all the time that
"require" certain versions of .NET prior to installation.


Terry R.

Thanks. The consensus seems to be that my computer probably needs .NET.
But in favor of Skybuck's view, I strongly suspect, vaguely recollect--or
think I do, installing it.... However, the real problem and Answer as
Shannan Stanley notes, iis that my computer is inadequate. I need larger
hard disk drive. So, I may never know for sure if I could uninstall it
safely. Thanks, again.
 
S

skywriter1012003

Shenan Stanley said:
No one but you knows which - if any - of the .NET Frameworks you might need.
Seriously. I am not just saying this to blow you off or something. Your
computer has them installed for one reason or another. Some software you
installed, even a video card driver/utility, could have installed any one of
them for you during its installation. There are many things that use those
now - and they were written with a specific version in mind. Before you
ask - no - there is no list of things that use the .NET Framework - because
it varies so much if nothing else.

As for your space problem - truthfully - if you think uninstalling the .NET
Framework is going to help with that, I have to say that you *are* mistaken.
Let's stretch this to the limits and say that the .NET Framework(s) (all of
them) is taking up 4GB (it isn't - I would guess less than 1GB total.) That
is - today - not much space. USB Thumb Drives (Flash Drives) are at least
that size - if not larger (2GB, 4GB are more common (under $20) - with 8GB,
16GB and 32GB also readily available for well under $100.)

In any case - I would say if you are worried over 5GB or less of free space
on your computer, you have already grossly underestimated your needs when it
comes tro space and you need to take actual corrective action instead of
working around it. In other words - archive the stuff you don't use all
that much - if at all (your stuff - documents, pictures, movies, music,
email, contacts, etc.) and if - after you move that stuff to more permanent
(and frankly - safer) storage - you still do not have enough free space - it
is time to consider an investment into a larger hard disk drive and
replacement. With the cost of hard disk drives these days - you'd probably
easily double/triple (more) the size of your current drive for less than
$100 US Dollars.

But - yes - you should attempt to free up space first - sure. Remember
though - your stuff first. Then you can cleanup any of the little crud that
the OS and other programs may have left behind...

If you are comfortable with the stability of your system, you can delete the
uninstall files for the patches that Windows XP has installed...
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spack.htm
( Particularly of interest here - #4 )
( Alternative: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm )

You can run Disk Cleanup - built into Windows XP - to erase all but your
latest restore point and cleanup even more "loose files"..

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312

You can turn off hibernation if it is on and you don't use it..

When you hibernate your computer, Windows saves the contents of the system's
memory to the hiberfil.sys file. As a result, the size of the hiberfil.sys
file will always equal the amount of physical memory in your system. If you
don't use the hibernate feature and want to recapture the space that Windows
uses for the hiberfil.sys file, perform the following steps:

- Start the Control Panel Power Options applet (go to Start, Settings,
Control Panel, and click Power Options).
- Select the Hibernate tab, clear the "Enable hibernation" check box, then
click OK; although you might think otherwise, selecting Never under the
"System hibernates" option on the Power Schemes tab doesn't delete the
hiberfil.sys file.
- Windows will remove the "System hibernates" option from the Power Schemes
tab and delete the hiberfil.sys file.

You can control how much space your System Restore can use...

1. Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties.
2. Click the System Restore tab.
3. Highlight one of your drives (or C: if you only have one) and click on
the "Settings" button.
4. Change the percentage of disk space you wish to allow.. I suggest moving
the slider until you have just about 1GB (1024MB or close to that...)
5. Click OK.. Then Click OK again.

You can control how much space your Temporary Internet Files can utilize...

Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a
size between 64MB and 128MB..

- Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
- Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
- Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the
following:
- Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
- Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to
something between 64MB and 128MB. (It may be MUCH larger right
now.)
- Click OK.
- Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents"
(the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10
minutes or more.)
- Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet
Explorer.

You can use an application that scans your system for log files and
temporary files and use that to get rid of those:

Ccleaner (Free!)
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Other ways to free up space..

SequoiaView
http://www.win.tue.nl/sequoiaview/

JDiskReport
http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/index.html

Those can help you visually discover where all the space is being used.

In the end - a standard Windows XP installation with all sorts of extras
will not likely be above about 4.5GB to 9GB in size. If you have more space
than that (likely do on a modern machine) and most of it seems to be used -
likely you need to copy *your stuff* off and/or find a better way to manage
it.

Come back, comment, let us know more details (like the size of your hard
disk drive, the amount of current free space, how the cleanup went, etc.)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way


Thanks so much for your answer to my question and expecially for taking the time to provide so much information. Bottom line, I think I do need to invest in a larger hard disk drive. I wish Skybuck's answer was correct because I've already taken some of the space-saving steps you've suggested and it has not helped much, although archiving sounds promising as an interim measure. Thank you.
 
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skywriter1012003

Skybuck Flying said:
It probably came from windows update site.

You can try to remove it and then see if your applications still work.

They will probably work since .net is not used much for desktop
applications.

Bye,
Skybuck.
I liked your answer the best because it was what I wanted to hear. I
suspect that I did download it from windows optional updates. But, as you
can see from the other posts, others take a different view. Intimidated at
the thought of profoundly "messing up" my computer, I'll probably let
sleeping dogs lie. Thanks for getting back to me.
 
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skywriter1012003

Terry R. said:
The date and time was Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:56:54 AM, and on a
whim, Skybuck Flying pounded out on the keyboard:


That is far from accurate. I install Desktop apps all the time that
"require" certain versions of .NET prior to installation.


Terry R.

Thank you for responding and for the input.
 
S

skywriter1012003

philo said:
It's more than likely needed for some of your applications so I would not
uninstall it.

To create some more free space on your HD have a look at system
restore...it's probably set to the default of 12%...

if so that's *way* higher then you are likely to ever need...drop the slider
down to 3% or so.

Also, if it's not a laptop...turn off hibernation.

Reboot and have a look at your HD free space

You may also want to perform a disk cleanup...
and possibly reduce the size of your temp. internet cache down to a 250 megs
or so

Thanks for your suggestion. In fact, I already have moved back the system restore percent to next to nothing. I will check on hibernation though. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I think I need to buy more space. Thank you.
 
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smlunatick

I have a LOT of programs on my computer, new and old.

I wouldn't let the latest 3.5 "update", which was about a 280 meg
download, on my computer.

You can always go get it again, but I see no reason for NET 3.5 to be
installed.

Your decision, though.  

Ps  I'd keep NET 1.0 and 2.0

Please note that the different .Net versions do not mean that these
are "comulative" updates. Each versions appear to be separate
editions and will constantly be included in the Windows Update, if
they are not installed.

The .Net framework modules are Microsoft's way of providing a
"programming" environment "run-time" modules that other program
developers can use. I know of two applications that require a .Net
module (but not sure which level.)

ATi video card Catalyst drivers and utilities

Nero Burning Rom
 
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Terry R.

The date and time was Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:38:01 PM, and on a
whim, skywriter1012003 pounded out on the keyboard:
Thanks. The consensus seems to be that my computer probably needs .NET.
But in favor of Skybuck's view, I strongly suspect, vaguely recollect--or
think I do, installing it.... However, the real problem and Answer as
Shannan Stanley notes, iis that my computer is inadequate. I need larger
hard disk drive. So, I may never know for sure if I could uninstall it
safely. Thanks, again.

You could uninstall all .NET versions (making note of which ones you
have) and if any of your apps won't run, they usually give you an error
message stating which version is missing. So after testing for a while,
you may find you don't have any apps that require it.

Also note that the full download of version 3.5 includes 2+SP's, 3+SP
and 3.5, so if you need any of those, downloading just the one file may
do it all for you. Then again if you don't need all of them, just do a
Google search for the specific version.



Terry R.
 
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Lil' Dave

skywriter1012003 said:
I am a basic home user with Windows XP--nothing fancy. I would like to
know
if Net Framework (2, 3, 3.5) is something I installed by mistake and can
delete or whether it was part of my system as originally installed? I ask

Net Framework is commonly installed by 2 methods. A 3rd party application
installs the appropriate version for that application if not found on your
PC during the install process. In the case it does install a version of Net
Framework, the actual MS package is used to install it and is quite obvious
if paid attention to. MS update will install Net Framework and updates to
each version if you elect to do so. In the latter case, its not an
uninformed update. Windows update will present any critical update to a
version of Net Framework already installed.

The earliest version of Net Framework is/was used by Powerquest DriveImage
7.0. As a user of DI 7.0, I found one problem in the one update to Net
Framework 1.0 and also the critical update for Net Framework 1.0. I had to
reinstall DI 7.0 for the image file verification process to work properly in
each case. The tax year versions 2007 and 2008 of Intuit's TurboTax use Net
Framework 2.0 as another example. As far as I know, only 3rd party
applications make use of Net Framework. So, that should narrow your search
dramatically if and when the PC requires Net Framework.
--
Dave

Similarities between Enron originated money crisis
and todays current economical crisis.
Same banks too big to fail that invested in Enron then and bad mortgages of
today.
The mindset of Enron keeping its false books, and the mindset of todays' bad
mortgage balance sheets before all was exposed.
Lack of conscience then and now.
President G. W. Bush
 

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