need XP/Vista upgrade and dual boot advice

[Richard Eagle]

Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on it
maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista upgrade
so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with Vista.
Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that I
write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some of
these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do my
own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.

Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS 2007,
AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb & 100gb
ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.

This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero won't
work and would require a better video card with more memory.

For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe the
Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do. I
guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
a waste on this old PC.

There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual boot
configuration so setting that up should be no problem.

Here are my main questions:
1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility testing
that I want to do as described above?
2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can do
a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?
3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?

Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for a
Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to verify
that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the same
way for a clean install.

Any good advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Richard

 

[Rock]

Replies in line:

Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on
it
maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
upgrade
so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with Vista.
Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that I
write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some
of
these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do
my
own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.

Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
2007,
AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
100gb
ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.

This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero
won't
work and would require a better video card with more memory.

For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe the
Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do.
I
guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
a waste on this old PC.

There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual
boot
configuration so setting that up should be no problem.

Here are my main questions:
1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
testing
that I want to do as described above?

Someone else will have to comment on this question.

2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can
do
a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?

Upgrades are intended to be installed from within an installed copy of XP,
however there is a workaround involving a double install. At the minimum
you must own a qualifying product to use the upgrade.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932

3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?

Unfortunately no. The Vista upgrade license specifies that the quailfying
OS and the Vista upgrade based on it cannot be installed at the same time.
The XP license is subsumed into the Vista license. You will need a full
copy of Vista or a second copy of XP for a dual boot. It doesn't matter
that only can be run on a given computer at one time. Both can't be
installed.

This is the same as with the upgrade version of XP. You couldn't have both
XP and the qualifying OS installed at the same time, per the license.

Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for a
Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
verify
that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the
same
way for a clean install.

No, Vista does not do a shiny media check. I gave you a link for the
workaround involving a double install.

 

[Mike Hall]

Richard

Your best option, assuming that your BIOS makes it easy to switch from one
drive to another, is to buy a full retail version of Vista now, and create a
parallel installation as I have done.. this gets over the instabilities of
dual boot, allowing each OS to work independently..

Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on
it
maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
upgrade
so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with Vista.
Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that I
write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some
of
these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do
my
own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.

Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
2007,
AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
100gb
ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.

This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero
won't
work and would require a better video card with more memory.

For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe the
Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do.
I
guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
a waste on this old PC.

There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual
boot
configuration so setting that up should be no problem.

Here are my main questions:
1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
testing
that I want to do as described above?
2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can
do
a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?
3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?

Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for a
Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
verify
that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the
same
way for a clean install.

Any good advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Richard

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Richard Urban]

Richard

The computer you have now has the capabilities to run Vista Home Premium and
Ultimate, with maybe some limitations due to your video card. These
limitations will not affect your program development, unless you are writing
video drivers.

With an additional 1 gig of RAM you could also run Ultimate as a guest in
VirtualPC 2007 (VirtualPC 2007 is FREE from Microsoft) while you are booted
up in Windows XP

You have sufficient hard drive capabilities to do either.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Richard Eagle]

Thanks much Rock for your reply. I was afraid of the answer to #3 because of
the difference in price:
Vista Home Basic Upgrade - $95 / Full - $180
Vista Home Premium Upgrade - $146 / Full - $219

These are amazon.com prices. The link you provided:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
.... makes it very clear that legally I would need to buy the full version
and not the upgrade even though I have XP Pro.

If I buy the Vista Home Premium Full version and use it with dual boot on
this XP PC, I can at least completely remove the Vista from this PC in say a
year or so from now and install it on a new PC that I buy/build with no
operating system. I may do that since I want Vista now (and XP also) but
don't want to buy a new PC now.

Also, to clarify, I only have the XP Pro upgrade installed on this PC and
not the Win98SE which qualified me for the XP upgrade.

Thanks,
Richard



Replies in line:

Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on
it
maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
upgrade
so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with Vista.
Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that I
write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some
of
these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do
my
own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.

Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
2007,
AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
100gb
ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.

This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero
won't
work and would require a better video card with more memory.

For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe the
Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do.
I
guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
a waste on this old PC.

There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual
boot
configuration so setting that up should be no problem.

Here are my main questions:
1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
testing
that I want to do as described above?

Someone else will have to comment on this question.

2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can
do
a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?

Upgrades are intended to be installed from within an installed copy of XP,
however there is a workaround involving a double install. At the minimum
you must own a qualifying product to use the upgrade.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932

3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?

Unfortunately no. The Vista upgrade license specifies that the quailfying
OS and the Vista upgrade based on it cannot be installed at the same time.
The XP license is subsumed into the Vista license. You will need a full
copy of Vista or a second copy of XP for a dual boot. It doesn't matter
that only can be run on a given computer at one time. Both can't be
installed.

This is the same as with the upgrade version of XP. You couldn't have both
XP and the qualifying OS installed at the same time, per the license.

Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for a
Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
verify
that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the
same
way for a clean install.

No, Vista does not do a shiny media check. I gave you a link for the
workaround involving a double install.

 

[Richard Eagle]

Thanks much Mike for you reply. That may be a better way to do it and
I think my BIOS will allow switching between bootable drives.

Richard


Richard

Your best option, assuming that your BIOS makes it easy to switch from one
drive to another, is to buy a full retail version of Vista now, and create a
parallel installation as I have done.. this gets over the instabilities of
dual boot, allowing each OS to work independently..

Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on
it
maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
upgrade
so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with Vista.
Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that I
write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some
of
these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do
my
own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.

Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
2007,
AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
100gb
ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.

This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero
won't
work and would require a better video card with more memory.

For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe the
Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do.
I
guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
a waste on this old PC.

There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual
boot
configuration so setting that up should be no problem.

Here are my main questions:
1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
testing
that I want to do as described above?
2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can
do
a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?
3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?

Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for a
Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
verify
that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the
same
way for a clean install.

Any good advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Richard

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Richard Eagle]

Thanks very much Richard for the information. I'll check out the VirtualPC
2007. I won't be writing any video drivers so that won't be a problem.

Richard


Richard

The computer you have now has the capabilities to run Vista Home Premium and
Ultimate, with maybe some limitations due to your video card. These
limitations will not affect your program development, unless you are writing
video drivers.

With an additional 1 gig of RAM you could also run Ultimate as a guest in
VirtualPC 2007 (VirtualPC 2007 is FREE from Microsoft) while you are booted
up in Windows XP

You have sufficient hard drive capabilities to do either.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Rock]

Thanks much Rock for your reply. I was afraid of the answer to #3 because
of
the difference in price:
Vista Home Basic Upgrade - $95 / Full - $180
Vista Home Premium Upgrade - $146 / Full - $219

These are amazon.com prices. The link you provided:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
... makes it very clear that legally I would need to buy the full version
and not the upgrade even though I have XP Pro.

If I buy the Vista Home Premium Full version and use it with dual boot on
this XP PC, I can at least completely remove the Vista from this PC in say
a
year or so from now and install it on a new PC that I buy/build with no
operating system. I may do that since I want Vista now (and XP also) but
don't want to buy a new PC now.

Absolutely. Retail versions, either full or upgrade, are transferrable to a
new system. Frankly I prefer the retail full version, even if more
expensive, so you don't have to mess with the double install or having the
qualifying OS installed, and get the tranferrability.

Also, to clarify, I only have the XP Pro upgrade installed on this PC and
not the Win98SE which qualified me for the XP upgrade.

That's fine.

Thanks,

You're welcome.

 

[Richard Eagle]

Thanks Rock. I agree with you about the retail full version for the reasons
you state, and I ordered the Vista Home Premium full retail version.

Richard

Thanks much Rock for your reply. I was afraid of the answer to #3 because
of
the difference in price:
Vista Home Basic Upgrade - $95 / Full - $180
Vista Home Premium Upgrade - $146 / Full - $219

These are amazon.com prices. The link you provided:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
... makes it very clear that legally I would need to buy the full version
and not the upgrade even though I have XP Pro.

If I buy the Vista Home Premium Full version and use it with dual boot on
this XP PC, I can at least completely remove the Vista from this PC in say
a
year or so from now and install it on a new PC that I buy/build with no
operating system. I may do that since I want Vista now (and XP also) but
don't want to buy a new PC now.

Absolutely. Retail versions, either full or upgrade, are transferrable to a
new system. Frankly I prefer the retail full version, even if more
expensive, so you don't have to mess with the double install or having the
qualifying OS installed, and get the tranferrability.

Also, to clarify, I only have the XP Pro upgrade installed on this PC and
not the Win98SE which qualified me for the XP upgrade.

That's fine.

Thanks,

You're welcome.

 

[Rick Raisley]

Definitely go to Virtual PC 2007. Using it, you can install and run Vista
(any 32-bit version, I believe), using a full license, as others have said.
In that way, you can test on Vista and continue VB6 development in XP. I
went the other way, as I was getting a new PC: New Vista, with testing on XP
and others using VPC (as well as my old machine). I want to become more
familiar with Vista, and this forces me to do it. It hasn't been all smooth
sailing, though, so keeping XP and running Vista on a virtual machine should
be idea for you.

I'd definitely up the memory, though. 2 GB should do for now.

--
Regards,

Rick Raisley
(e-mail address removed)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HeavyMetal Software Products
www.heavymetalpro.com

 

[Richard Eagle]

Thanks for your reply Rick. Since I have now ordered the Vista Home Premium
full retail version, I'm thinking I'll probably install it on the 100gb
drive and leave XP Pro where it is, on the 200gb drive. Would there be any
advantage to running Virtual PC 2007 over having Vista on its own bootable
drive since I can switch boot drives in the BIOS and won't be switching them
that much anyway? From what I read here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/sysreq.mspx
....it looks like you need more memory to be running XP Pro while having
Vista running in Virtual PC 2007, plus they don't have Vista Home Premium
listed as a guest OS. Even if the Home Premium will run in Virtual PC 2007,
it would probably run slow with only 1gb of memory.

Yes, I agree that the extra gb of memory would be nice. XP Pro runs very
well with 1gb on this PC. I'll see how Vista runs with 1gb. Adding more
memory will be a simple upgrade if I decide to do that later.

I wasn't going to buy any more hardware for this old PC, but I ordered an
ATI 9600 PRO 256mb agp card since my ATI 9250 128mb agp won't run Aero in
Vista and the OEM card was only $55 with the promotional discount that I
received. Couldn't hardly pass that up knowing that not having Aero working
would bother me...LOL.

Richard


"Rick Raisley" <heavymetal-A-T-bellsouth-D-O-T-net> wrote in message
Definitely go to Virtual PC 2007. Using it, you can install and run Vista
(any 32-bit version, I believe), using a full license, as others have said.
In that way, you can test on Vista and continue VB6 development in XP. I
went the other way, as I was getting a new PC: New Vista, with testing on XP
and others using VPC (as well as my old machine). I want to become more
familiar with Vista, and this forces me to do it. It hasn't been all smooth
sailing, though, so keeping XP and running Vista on a virtual machine should
be idea for you.

I'd definitely up the memory, though. 2 GB should do for now.

--
Regards,

Rick Raisley
(e-mail address removed)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HeavyMetal Software Products
www.heavymetalpro.com

 

[Mike Hall MVP]

Disconnect the drive that already has XP.. install Vista as if it was the
only OS/HDD.. then jumper the XP drive as slave.. voila, two parallel
installations..

Thanks for your reply Rick. Since I have now ordered the Vista Home
Premium
full retail version, I'm thinking I'll probably install it on the 100gb
drive and leave XP Pro where it is, on the 200gb drive. Would there be any
advantage to running Virtual PC 2007 over having Vista on its own bootable
drive since I can switch boot drives in the BIOS and won't be switching
them
that much anyway? From what I read here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/sysreq.mspx
...it looks like you need more memory to be running XP Pro while having
Vista running in Virtual PC 2007, plus they don't have Vista Home Premium
listed as a guest OS. Even if the Home Premium will run in Virtual PC
2007,
it would probably run slow with only 1gb of memory.

Yes, I agree that the extra gb of memory would be nice. XP Pro runs very
well with 1gb on this PC. I'll see how Vista runs with 1gb. Adding more
memory will be a simple upgrade if I decide to do that later.

I wasn't going to buy any more hardware for this old PC, but I ordered an
ATI 9600 PRO 256mb agp card since my ATI 9250 128mb agp won't run Aero in
Vista and the OEM card was only $55 with the promotional discount that I
received. Couldn't hardly pass that up knowing that not having Aero
working
would bother me...LOL.

Richard


"Rick Raisley" <heavymetal-A-T-bellsouth-D-O-T-net> wrote in message
Definitely go to Virtual PC 2007. Using it, you can install and run Vista
(any 32-bit version, I believe), using a full license, as others have
said.
In that way, you can test on Vista and continue VB6 development in XP. I
went the other way, as I was getting a new PC: New Vista, with testing on
XP
and others using VPC (as well as my old machine). I want to become more
familiar with Vista, and this forces me to do it. It hasn't been all
smooth
sailing, though, so keeping XP and running Vista on a virtual machine
should
be idea for you.

I'd definitely up the memory, though. 2 GB should do for now.

--
Regards,

Rick Raisley
(e-mail address removed)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HeavyMetal Software Products
www.heavymetalpro.com

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Richard Eagle]

Thanks for the tip Mike. To be safe, I was definitely going to disconnect my
XP drive before installing Vista on the other drive. One thing that I will
do first is to upgrade with the new video card in XP before I install Vista
on the other drive as you describe.

Richard


Disconnect the drive that already has XP.. install Vista as if it was the
only OS/HDD.. then jumper the XP drive as slave.. voila, two parallel
installations..

Thanks for your reply Rick. Since I have now ordered the Vista Home
Premium
full retail version, I'm thinking I'll probably install it on the 100gb
drive and leave XP Pro where it is, on the 200gb drive. Would there be any
advantage to running Virtual PC 2007 over having Vista on its own bootable
drive since I can switch boot drives in the BIOS and won't be switching
them
that much anyway? From what I read here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/sysreq.mspx
...it looks like you need more memory to be running XP Pro while having
Vista running in Virtual PC 2007, plus they don't have Vista Home Premium
listed as a guest OS. Even if the Home Premium will run in Virtual PC
2007,
it would probably run slow with only 1gb of memory.

Yes, I agree that the extra gb of memory would be nice. XP Pro runs very
well with 1gb on this PC. I'll see how Vista runs with 1gb. Adding more
memory will be a simple upgrade if I decide to do that later.

I wasn't going to buy any more hardware for this old PC, but I ordered an
ATI 9600 PRO 256mb agp card since my ATI 9250 128mb agp won't run Aero in
Vista and the OEM card was only $55 with the promotional discount that I
received. Couldn't hardly pass that up knowing that not having Aero
working
would bother me...LOL.

Richard


"Rick Raisley" <heavymetal-A-T-bellsouth-D-O-T-net> wrote in message
Definitely go to Virtual PC 2007. Using it, you can install and run Vista
(any 32-bit version, I believe), using a full license, as others have
said.
In that way, you can test on Vista and continue VB6 development in XP. I
went the other way, as I was getting a new PC: New Vista, with testing on
XP
and others using VPC (as well as my old machine). I want to become more
familiar with Vista, and this forces me to do it. It hasn't been all
smooth
sailing, though, so keeping XP and running Vista on a virtual machine
should
be idea for you.

I'd definitely up the memory, though. 2 GB should do for now.

--
Regards,

Rick Raisley
(e-mail address removed)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HeavyMetal Software Products
www.heavymetalpro.com

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Rock]

Thanks Rock. I agree with you about the retail full version for the
reasons
you state, and I ordered the Vista Home Premium full retail version.

"Rock" <[email protected]> wrote

Thanks much Rock for your reply. I was afraid of the answer to #3 because
of
the difference in price:
Vista Home Basic Upgrade - $95 / Full - $180
Vista Home Premium Upgrade - $146 / Full - $219

These are amazon.com prices. The link you provided:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
... makes it very clear that legally I would need to buy the full version
and not the upgrade even though I have XP Pro.

If I buy the Vista Home Premium Full version and use it with dual boot on
this XP PC, I can at least completely remove the Vista from this PC in
say
a
year or so from now and install it on a new PC that I buy/build with no
operating system. I may do that since I want Vista now (and XP also) but
don't want to buy a new PC now.

Absolutely. Retail versions, either full or upgrade, are transferrable to
a
new system. Frankly I prefer the retail full version, even if more
expensive, so you don't have to mess with the double install or having the
qualifying OS installed, and get the tranferrability.

Also, to clarify, I only have the XP Pro upgrade installed on this PC and
not the Win98SE which qualified me for the XP upgrade.

That's fine.

Thanks,

You're welcome.
--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

Replies in line:


Someone else will have to comment on this question.


Upgrades are intended to be installed from within an installed copy of
XP,
however there is a workaround involving a double install. At the minimum
you must own a qualifying product to use the upgrade.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932


Unfortunately no. The Vista upgrade license specifies that the
quailfying
OS and the Vista upgrade based on it cannot be installed at the same
time.
The XP license is subsumed into the Vista license. You will need a full
copy of Vista or a second copy of XP for a dual boot. It doesn't matter
that only can be run on a given computer at one time. Both can't be
installed.

This is the same as with the upgrade version of XP. You couldn't have
both
XP and the qualifying OS installed at the same time, per the license.


No, Vista does not do a shiny media check. I gave you a link for the
workaround involving a double install.

You're welcome, have fun with it.

 

[Mike Hall MVP]

Changing the video card is a 5 minute job.. allow at least 2 hours.. A clean
install of Vista may take 25 minutes.. allow 30 minutes, just to be safe..


Good luck


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[mikeyhsd]

why not just turn off/disable the drive in the bios instead of messing with the dinky cables and pins.
just for info, I have run xp pro x-64 as HOST with vista ultimate 32 bit as guest with total of 1gb of memory.
performance was acceptable.
of course it would been snappier with more memory, but it did work.



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Thanks for the tip Mike. To be safe, I was definitely going to disconnect my
XP drive before installing Vista on the other drive. One thing that I will
do first is to upgrade with the new video card in XP before I install Vista
on the other drive as you describe.

Richard


Disconnect the drive that already has XP.. install Vista as if it was the
only OS/HDD.. then jumper the XP drive as slave.. voila, two parallel
installations..

Thanks for your reply Rick. Since I have now ordered the Vista Home
Premium
full retail version, I'm thinking I'll probably install it on the 100gb
drive and leave XP Pro where it is, on the 200gb drive. Would there be any
advantage to running Virtual PC 2007 over having Vista on its own bootable
drive since I can switch boot drives in the BIOS and won't be switching
them
that much anyway? From what I read here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/sysreq.mspx
...it looks like you need more memory to be running XP Pro while having
Vista running in Virtual PC 2007, plus they don't have Vista Home Premium
listed as a guest OS. Even if the Home Premium will run in Virtual PC
2007,
it would probably run slow with only 1gb of memory.

Yes, I agree that the extra gb of memory would be nice. XP Pro runs very
well with 1gb on this PC. I'll see how Vista runs with 1gb. Adding more
memory will be a simple upgrade if I decide to do that later.

I wasn't going to buy any more hardware for this old PC, but I ordered an
ATI 9600 PRO 256mb agp card since my ATI 9250 128mb agp won't run Aero in
Vista and the OEM card was only $55 with the promotional discount that I
received. Couldn't hardly pass that up knowing that not having Aero
working
would bother me...LOL.

Richard


"Rick Raisley" <heavymetal-A-T-bellsouth-D-O-T-net> wrote in message
Definitely go to Virtual PC 2007. Using it, you can install and run Vista
(any 32-bit version, I believe), using a full license, as others have
said.
In that way, you can test on Vista and continue VB6 development in XP. I
went the other way, as I was getting a new PC: New Vista, with testing on
XP
and others using VPC (as well as my old machine). I want to become more
familiar with Vista, and this forces me to do it. It hasn't been all
smooth
sailing, though, so keeping XP and running Vista on a virtual machine
should
be idea for you.

I'd definitely up the memory, though. 2 GB should do for now.

--
Regards,

Rick Raisley
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HeavyMetal Software Products
www.heavymetalpro.com

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Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Cheryl D Wise]

In a virtual pc you will only have hardware emulation so Vista will not
perform the same. I have never achieved Glass in a virtual environment for
example.

 

[mikeyhsd]

that's supposedly because it emulates a VGA display.



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"Cheryl D Wise" <wiserways.wiserways.com> wrote in message In a virtual pc you will only have hardware emulation so Vista will not
perform the same. I have never achieved Glass in a virtual environment for
example.

 

[Richard Eagle]

Thanks Mike. I expect it will be easy enough. Hopefully all will go
smoothly.

Richard


Changing the video card is a 5 minute job.. allow at least 2 hours.. A clean
install of Vista may take 25 minutes.. allow 30 minutes, just to be safe..


Good luck


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Richard Eagle]

Thanks Cheryl. For now I think I'll just install Vista on its own drive to
keep things simple. Maybe when I get a better, faster PC in a year or so
I'll try Virtual PC 2007. You can't beat the price of it.

Richard


"Cheryl D Wise" <wiserways.wiserways.com> wrote in message
In a virtual pc you will only have hardware emulation so Vista will not
perform the same. I have never achieved Glass in a virtual environment for
example.