Need new motherboard

[J. Clarke]

sell the card before the price dro donw to 300$ can that way you will
get an auther card pci-e like a x800 and benefit from a pci-e
architecture witch deliver smooter frame rate "not the x800 card" the
pci-e slot. imo.

So far nobody has demonstrated successfully that AGP 4x is a bottleneck for
any real-world purpose. While there are good reasons for going to PCI
Express, better video performance than AGP is not one of them.

 

[Joe Doe]

Whats the point of building a new PC to stick with AGP!?!

Because for many people video gaming performance is a very small part of
what they do. Some people use computers for surprise computing - i.e.
real number crunching.

I would buy a new motherboard for USB 2.0 support, dual core cpu support
etc. (i.e. ability to do intense multitasking). So some theoretical
benefit in bandwidth in PCI-E is of little interest to me. The fact
that Intel in its integrated graphics is the largest graphics solution
provider proves that this is true for the majority of the computer using
public.

So being forced to buy a video card for performance I do not want or
need was long a stumbling block for upgrading to dual core functionalty.
The UlI chipset and Asrock motherboard solves this problem for the AMD
platform.

Roland

 

[Roy Coorne]

... Asrock is Asus.

No.

ASRock is a 'daughter' of Asus in the PRC, a second label for the mass
market (incl. OEMs), but technically disjunct.
You won't find any cross reference between the two companies on their
web sites.

R0y

 

[Bill]

No.

ASRock is a 'daughter' of Asus in the PRC, a second label for the mass
market (incl. OEMs), but technically disjunct.
You won't find any cross reference between the two companies on their
web sites.

R0y

Kinda like GM and Saturn, eh?

Bill

 

[DDC]

Nobody has demonstrated that AGP8x gives any better than 4x for any
real-world purpose.


Don't know who told you that but they really were clueless. PCI Express is
an asynchronous technology--while it has multiple paths each one is clocked
independently and runs on a separate pair, where PCI and AGP runs 32 or
more data lines on a single clock and single ground. The maximum bandwidth
of PCI Express X16 is well over what AGP 16x would have provided and is
bidirectional, further must PCI Express machines have multiple slots, not
all X16. PCI Express allows anything from X1 to X16.

In addition to being useful for video, PCI Express is also useful for
network connections and RAID controllers--it's not possible to get full
performance out of gigabit Ethernet over standard PCI but it is over PCI
Express.

Then there's the whole SLI thing.

As many pc use i've never been using any pci slot on my asus board.
The agp8x fit the need for the X850xt so in other word the pci-e would
be like fit with a videu card that reproduce real time 3d card fire
and all other eye candy from Ie: specail effect like star war film.
Hmmm i cant wait to see that.


Also why should we buy a video cad that fit the sli mode when it
prouvend that you will only get the performance of the driver of the
card. You will only get better performance in FPS not better eye candy
and realisme. So in this tough you should get the nvidia 7000 xyz
brand it's the most advanced card in the eye candy field but again not
the real thing.

Gong from 1x to 16x is no use when you set it to 16X one time in your
life you forget it and voilà. Plus maybe your right speaking of
asynchronus BS, what does it do? maybe it permit to OC the cpu whi
out compromising the video card slot??? any way


ddc

 

[J. Clarke]

Have you try the agp 8x version ???.

Nobody has demonstrated that AGP8x gives any better than 4x for any
real-world purpose.

Anyway agp8x/pci-e are mostly the same but the name... pci-e are
agp16x but with a different slot to make people buy supposedly new
technologies.

Don't know who told you that but they really were clueless. PCI Express is
an asynchronous technology--while it has multiple paths each one is clocked
independently and runs on a separate pair, where PCI and AGP runs 32 or
more data lines on a single clock and single ground. The maximum bandwidth
of PCI Express X16 is well over what AGP 16x would have provided and is
bidirectional, further must PCI Express machines have multiple slots, not
all X16. PCI Express allows anything from X1 to X16.

In addition to being useful for video, PCI Express is also useful for
network connections and RAID controllers--it's not possible to get full
performance out of gigabit Ethernet over standard PCI but it is over PCI
Express.

Then there's the whole SLI thing.

 

[J. Clarke]

right, and the op has an AGP card


because many people build a new machine when what they have is
fine. AGP is fine. PCI-E, SLI, and all that is silly stuff, the only
reason to upgrade is if you HAVE TO in order to run newer apps, and the
only reason to buy PCI-E is because that motherboard does not have an
AGP slot. People buy what they really don't need.

So you're saying that he really doesn't need a new machine?

 

[farmuse]

farmuse wrote:




So you're saying that he really doesn't need a new machine?

how would I know ? but really you can find some excellent deals
on AGP motherboards, and he has an AGP card so there you go. You can
built fast machines with modern precessors with AGP cards.

 

[farmuse]

Thanks for the suggestions. I am planning on going with AMD so for now it
looks like the ASUS A8V Deluxe is the one. This will certainly hold me for a
couple years. Again thanks to all for your input.

Jay

good choice

 

[J. Clarke]

As many pc use i've never been using any pci slot on my asus board.

That's nice. So why do you bother with a desktop machine at all? Seems to
me that a laptop with no slots of any kind would suit you fine.

The agp8x fit the need for the X850xt so in other word the pci-e would
be like fit with a videu card that reproduce real time 3d card fire
and all other eye candy from Ie: specail effect like star war film.
Hmmm i cant wait to see that.

I'm sorry, but I can't figure out what you're trying to say here.

Also why should we buy a video cad that fit the sli mode when it
prouvend that you will only get the performance of the driver of the
card.

This is true for AGP as well. So what?

You will only get better performance in FPS not better eye candy
and realisme.

Or an acceptable frame rate with the eye candy and realism turned up.

So in this tough you should get the nvidia 7000 xyz
brand it's the most advanced card in the eye candy field but again not
the real thing.

Gong from 1x to 16x is no use when you set it to 16X one time in your
life you forget it and voilà.

Huh? You don't "set it". There's nothing to set. PCI Express uses the
largest number of lanes that are supported by both the board and the slot.

Plus maybe your right speaking of
asynchronus BS, what does it do?

It works on principles considerably different from those on which AGP works,
which was the point being made.

maybe it permit to OC the cpu whi
out compromising the video card slot??? any way

In principle is permits boards to be made with higher performance at lower
cost.