My solution for emails frozen in outbox

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Debbie

I made desktop folders for inbox, sent, outbox, etc. and would drag the
important emails from windows mail into those folders. Deleted my account
in WMail. Start button, search button, then did advanced search for
msmessagestore files. Found two and deleted both from that search screen.
Reboot and opened up WMail and reset the account. Outbox was clear.
Account reset was a snap and address book was all there. Took 5 minutes
tops, but can't MS fix this? I have Office XP and with Outlook I must type
in password every time (known glitch). MS wants me to upgrade to Office 07.
So I get a new Vista machine and install Office XP, that I bought TWO years
ago, and now it's out of date and they want me to drop another $150 for 07
because they can't make a product compatible with their own stuff just two
years old. No...I take some of that that back. Apparently they can't make
a product (Windows Mail) that works when new!
 
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Gary VanderMolen

Office XP is not two years old. It was released in 2002.
One year later, Office 2003 came out. So, if you
bought Office XP in 2005, you got sold an obsolete
product.

Gary VanderMolen
 
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Debbie

So your answer for the Vista Mail outbox glitch is........

Gary I fully expect MS Office products to work with whatever the latest OS
MS comes out with. Don't be so defensive. If Vista uses some new
generation architecture that won't fully integrate with older products,
that's one thing. Be up front with that info BEFORE people jump and get
Vista. But I challenge you to tell me that Vista is some kind of quantum
leap in programming language. It ain't! And it should work flawlessly with
that old antiquated Office XP. And Vista's new OE replacement should work
better as well. We all know MS is working on a patch for this outbox
glitch, but it doesn't mean we can't vent a little. Can you blame us?
 
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...winston

The op's problem(s) is/are certainly a nuisance. Stuck mail, password prompt when the applications are at fault should/could be quick fix though when interactive with a new o/s fixes are slower to appear to avoid peripheral damage.

With respect to XP...after almost 6 yrs since release, it makes sense that less efforts would be placed on support regardless of a new o/s.

Release dates:
May 2001(Office XP);
Oct 2003(Office 2K3), 2 1/2 years later

..winston


: Office XP is not two years old. It was released in 2002.
: One year later, Office 2003 came out. So, if you
: bought Office XP in 2005, you got sold an obsolete
: product.
:
: Gary VanderMolen
:
: >I made desktop folders for inbox, sent, outbox, etc. and would drag the
: > important emails from windows mail into those folders. Deleted my account
: > in WMail. Start button, search button, then did advanced search for
: > msmessagestore files. Found two and deleted both from that search screen.
: > Reboot and opened up WMail and reset the account. Outbox was clear.
: > Account reset was a snap and address book was all there. Took 5 minutes
: > tops, but can't MS fix this? I have Office XP and with Outlook I must type
: > in password every time (known glitch). MS wants me to upgrade to Office 07.
: > So I get a new Vista machine and install Office XP, that I bought TWO years
: > ago, and now it's out of date and they want me to drop another $150 for 07
: > because they can't make a product compatible with their own stuff just two
: > years old. No...I take some of that that back. Apparently they can't make
: > a product (Windows Mail) that works when new!
: >
 
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Guest

<<...it should work flawlessly ...>>

Debbie - Ha, yes it is very therapeutic to vent around here. There is no
real answer for the stuck message outbox glitch that I've seen other than the
workaround you used. I watch each e-mail going into outbox with a beady
little eye & some trepidation until it sends now. Seems MS put me in that
mode. You do expect things to just work like you say. Reminds me of a
little philosophy from Moe Szyslak the bartender on Simpsons:

"Man, you go through life, you try to be nice to people, you struggle to
resist the urge to just punch 'em in the face, and for what?"

T.
 
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MICHAEL

Debbie, I basically agree with you.

Office XP does, for the most part, work in Vista.
Except, Outlook doesn't remember passwords.
The only "officially" compatible Office products
for Vista are 2003 and 2007.

You are correct, Vista is *not* a "quantum leap in programming language"-
it's code base comes from Windows Server 2003, which is
a direct kin of Windows XP... just a later branch.
And yes, it would not have taken much for Office XP
to be made "officially" compatible. New product, new sales, equals
mo money. That's the real reason, anyone who says anything
else is trying to blow smoke up your arse, or just plain lying.

Vent all you want- Microsoft should be ashamed for releasing
Windows Mail in its present condition. Pathetic and irresponsible
for a corporation the size of Microsoft with all the resources that
it has. The 7th most profitable company and with a staggering
profit margin of 37%. If you just count the Client (OS) and Office
divisions of Microsoft, take out the money losing Entertainment
division and the money losing XBOX, and ignore the pitiful MSN
returns- the OS and Office divisions' profit margins are an
unbelievable 80%. Of course, cutting corners may be one of
the reasons Microsoft has about $42 billion in cash on hand.

Okay, I vented. I even like Microsoft products. But, I am a bit
disappointed with Vista and Windows Mail. I'm not feeling the "Wow".

Take care,

Michael
 
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Gary VanderMolen

I have no desire to engage in a bunch of editorializing
or finger pointing.
My only reason for responding was to correct the
impression you left that Office XP is two years old.

Gary VanderMolen
 
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Guest

<<...Microsoft has about $42 billion in cash on hand...>>

More like $6.86Billion cash & equiv. as of 12/31/06. Now I guess you can
add all the cash received from Vista OTC sales since 1/30/07 or so but I
doubt you get it that high even with 80% margins.

T.
 
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MICHAEL

Typically, in the business world, cash and short term investments
are considered "cash in/on hand". Actually, it hasn't been above
$40 billion since the third quarter of 2005. As of Dec 31. 2006,
it is "only" $28.9 billion.
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/113460.asp

http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY07/earn_rel_q2_07.mspx

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9596_22-6078378.html
May 31, 2006
Under pressure from Microsoft investors to return a portion of the company's $35 billion cash
reserve and revive a flagging share price, Chief Executive Steve Ballmer on Wednesday defended
the company's "first-class problem" of having too much cash.


-Michael
 
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MICHAEL

What's really funny, Microsoft didn't start paying dividends until
2003. Then they did a huge one time dividend in 2004.
And started buying back a bunch of stock in order to prop up the price.
That's where a lot of their cash went. Certainly didn't go into
Windows Mail. :-/

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/309852_software02.html
Microsoft Corp., legendary for its large piles of cash, isn't keeping nearly as much of it
around these days.

Of course, everything is relative, and the company won't be scrounging for change under Bill
Gates' couch cushions anytime soon. But the $29 billion on hand at last count was less than
half the cash and short-term investments held by Microsoft about two years ago.

It's the first time in more than five years that its cash balance has been below $30 billion.

The company's products, led by Windows and Office, are still generating large amounts of
cash -- about $1 billion a month. But Microsoft has taken a series of steps to reduce its cash
balance. Specifically, by Microsoft's count, the company has paid out nearly $100 billion
through dividends and repurchasing its own stock in the past five years.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BRZ/is_2_23/ai_98709751

In January, Microsoft Corp. surprised shareholders, analysts, and other industry vendors with a
late Christmas gift: dividends. Redmond announced that shareholders of record February 21 will
receive a dividend of--hold on to your hat--eight cents per share on March 7. The company also
announced a 2 for 1 stock split.

In some ways, the dividend is not surprising. Microsoft's legal troubles (or the most serious
of them, anyway) seem to be behind it. The company recently reported surprisingly positive
earnings, particularly in the current economic downturn. Microsoft also has a staggering cash
reserve of more than $40 billion; the dividend will cost the company about $860 million, or
less than the interest on its cash. The Bush administration recently announced a plan to
eliminate taxes on dividends. And, as Redmond noted, Microsoft is the only Dow 30 company that
has never paid a dividend.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A232-2004Jul20.html

Microsoft Corp., which has amassed an unparalleled cash hoard of nearly $60 billion from its
world-dominating software business, announced yesterday that it would return a large chunk of
it to shareholders, much of it through a one-time dividend of $3 for every share held by
investors.

With 10.79 billion shares outstanding as of March 31, the company will pay out more than $32
billion in that one stroke, pending approval of the plan by shareholders.

Company chairman and founder Bill Gates stands to get about $3.3 billion, and he pledged
yesterday to give the entire amount to his family's foundation, already the nation's largest.
Chief executive Steven A. Ballmer would get about $1.2 billion. But other large holders include
mutual funds with millions of average investors, including the Vanguard 500 Index Fund, the
Fidelity Magellan Fund and the College Retirement Equities Fund.

The software giant, which last fiscal year generated profit that averaged $1.1 million every
hour, has been under mounting pressure from Wall Street to put its growing pool of cash to
better use than simply earning interest. Despite Microsoft's remarkable business success, the
company's stock price has languished for two years, while many other technology stocks have
posted significant gains.

In addition to the one-time payout, the company said it would double its annual dividend to 32
cents per share and buy as much as $30 billion of its own stock over the next four years.
Buying back shares rewards all shareholders because it tends to drive up the price of the
remaining stock.
 
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Guest

I suddenly had issues where my Outbox showed and tried to send messages. I
was getting messages saying that my account was invalid. I resolved the
issue by right clicking on the Outbox and then clicking find. I then
completed the information in the 'Find Message' box, searched for the email
messages that were 'hung up' and then deleted them. I have not had a problem
since. Still don't know why this happens, but at least there is an easy
solution to clear your Outbox.
 
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Guest

Ha, right. You would think MS could afford to pay some OT to work on WinMail
and making Vista Networking more user friendly. MS doesn't own all of the
$29Billion yet as they are holding about $11.8Billion cash paid up front as
unearned revenue. But once that product is shipped and run thru I/S they'll
own a lot more of it.

As you write, thru 2011 that cash is going to shareholders as their 12/31/06
common stock buyback remaining was at $29Billion.
 

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