My experence with Ubuntu 7.10

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Charlie Tame

Richard said:
Another question, if I may. If I boot from the Ubuntu Live DVD and the
system functions ok, can I assume (bad word again) that an install would
be the same on that hardware? I have only installed in virtual machines.


Yes but my guess is it will crash in the first 2 minutes.

I also spotted another issues (I think).

The presence of a second drive seems to confuse the "From Live"
installer, this makes sense of the CD that got Microwaved if the machine
had more than one drive... I think I found a bug as it doesn't happen
with the older versions. (64 and 32 both have it)
 
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caver1

dennis@home said:
You pop the CD in and boot.
However the standard install doesn't work with 256M RAM so how old is
the machine?


It depends on the machine. I just tried it on an
older machine that I have;
AbitK7 amd 550 with 256 ram. loads just fine.
caver1
 
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caver1

Richard said:
Well, that kills that idea. It is Win95 class computer that I had
sitting around. I may just put Win95 back on it for the gent.


Try one of the other distros or Drapper or Fiesty.
Should work just fine.
He probably doesn't need more .
caver1
 
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caver1

Richard said:
Another question, if I may. If I boot from the Ubuntu Live DVD and the
system functions ok, can I assume (bad word again) that an install would
be the same on that hardware? I have only installed in virtual machines.


Should except faster.
caver1
 
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dennis@home

caver1 said:
It depends on the machine. I just tried it on an older machine that I
have;
AbitK7 amd 550 with 256 ram. loads just fine.

Have you tried to run the installer?
My vaio is a celery 600 with 256M and it hangs just after saying starting
partitioner.
 
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Charlie Tame

Mike said:
Hello?

I didn't write the words you quoted me on, and neither did I mention GFX
cards. It is an ATI 32mb card and I knew that it wouldn't run
Compiz-Fusion before I started the installation. I trashed the Win 2000
installation deliberately, btw, not that 7.10 gave much option to do
anything else.

Please ensure when quoting others that you at least accredit the quotes
to the person making them. Thanks for the insults too.


Okay here is what was posted originally, in full...
(snip)

Try putting your pants on over-your-head, instead of normally. The opportunity IS at your disposal.

It's not the opportunity "to try new stuff" itself - that Mike Hall is talking about. After all, he took the time and tried Ubuntu. Sheesh.

The end result of trying new & mind-broadening opportunities can produce futility.

I appreciate Mike Hall's balanced, polite and clearly thought-out posts.


{ netlink }



The clear implication in the context you wrote it is that
installing it onto an older machine.<<<

is a criticism along the same lines as has already been posted, not way
did you mention anything about that being "Intentional".

If that is not what you intended then I apologize but see how it reads?

The rest implies that you are somehow dissatisfied with the GFX
performance and don't really care but wish to complain anyway. There's
not much to indicate otherwise. Futile yes, but far from unforeseeable.

As for insults I did not intend any, simply what you said did not appear
to make much sense.

If you are referring to "Except it's completely false, but never mind
we're used to that." I could have said that better, I was in fact
passing comment on the (Sometimes deliberate) mythology that a number of
people have embraced as reality, that was not aimed at anyone in
particular and I apologize if it looked that way.
 
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caver1

dennis@home said:
Have you tried to run the installer?
My vaio is a celery 600 with 256M and it hangs just after saying
starting partitioner.


Yes I just did .Took about 35mins.
I had the same problem as you with my newer machine
Abit board can't remember which one right now
amd K4 1600
256 ram.
The only thing I did was upgrade ram to 512 and it
worked fine.
I just tried it on the other one to see what would
happen.
caver1
 
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dennis@home

caver1 said:
Yes I just did .Took about 35mins.
I had the same problem as you with my newer machine
Abit board can't remember which one right now
amd K4 1600
256 ram.
The only thing I did was upgrade ram to 512 and it worked fine.
I just tried it on the other one to see what would happen.

More RAM isn't an option for me as one of the DIMM slots is broken and I
can't fit more RAM even though I have it.
I will just have to leave XP on it as it isn't as bloated.
 
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caver1

dennis@home said:
More RAM isn't an option for me as one of the DIMM slots is broken and I
can't fit more RAM even though I have it.
I will just have to leave XP on it as it isn't as bloated.


Why it would work on one system with 256 and the
other not I have no idea.
caver1
 
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dennis@home

caver1 said:
Why it would work on one system with 256 and the other not I have no idea.

Probably because I only have 248M left after the video has eaten 8M.
 
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Stephan Rose

Another question, if I may. If I boot from the Ubuntu Live DVD and the
system functions ok, can I assume (bad word again) that an install would
be the same on that hardware? I have only installed in virtual machines.

Normally yes, that's the point of the LiveCD after all.

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Stephan Rose

Yes but my guess is it will crash in the first 2 minutes.

I also spotted another issues (I think).

The presence of a second drive seems to confuse the "From Live"
installer, this makes sense of the CD that got Microwaved if the machine
had more than one drive... I think I found a bug as it doesn't happen
with the older versions. (64 and 32 both have it)

Ummm Charlie, want to translate this into some language I can understand?
English? German? Japanese? Take your pick...

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Stephan Rose

Charlie,

On a serious note - where do you find hardware compatibility information
for Ubuntu? I have not been able to come by it. Do they have "any" sort
of program you can run to give a rough idea where one stands?

I'm asking because I have to set up an OLD computer for a handicapped
individual. It will just be used for web surfing and email.

Would really be helpful if you posted system specs.

I've gotten Ubuntu running on a Dell Laptop with 256 megs of ram that are
shared with the on board video memory. Took the alternate installer to do
it though, LiveCD had insufficient memory to boot.

Another option is to use Xubuntu instead. It's essentially Ubuntu with a
more lightweight UI intended for systems with less than 256 megs of
memory. That might be a good match for the system you are looking at. It
also installs default applications that are easier on system requirements.

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Val

caver1 said:
Why it would work on one system with 256 and the other not I have no idea.
Probably because I only have 248M left after the video has eaten 8M.

I just put 7.10 on an old HP laptop, 256MB (less the graphics), and it's
running OK so far. Other than it won't complety shut down.
Val
 
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Stephan Rose

Have you tried to run the installer?
My vaio is a celery 600 with 256M and it hangs just after saying
starting partitioner.

256 megs is pushing it dennis. Especially pushing it with version 7.10
which has a recommended minimum ram of 320 megs. Likely the hang is a
result of being out of memory. And remember, a LiveCD has no swap space!

Ubuntu itself would likely still run fine on the system even with just
256 megs of RAM as it has a swap space once installed, but you'll
probably need to use the text mode installer to do so.

Download the alternative install CD and try with that. The text mode
installer isn't any more difficult to use (think win9x installer), just
doesn't look as pretty.

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Stephan Rose

Why it would work on one system with 256 and the other not I have no
idea.

Can depend on the video card. I've seen Ubuntu boot fine on a 256 meg
system and not on the other.

Difference? One really had 256 megs, the other had 256 megs shared with
the on-board video card reducing the effective amount of available memory.

Also, I suppose the hardware drivers that need to be loaded can make a
difference too. Different drivers may have different memory requirements.

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dennis@home

Download the alternative install CD and try with that. The text mode
installer isn't any more difficult to use (think win9x installer), just
doesn't look as pretty.

I have but I haven't had time to try it yet.
There can't be much demand as I don't appear to have any trouble downloading
Ubuntu 7.10 isos at high speeds. ;-)
 
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Charlie Tame

Stephan said:
Ummm Charlie, want to translate this into some language I can understand?
English? German? Japanese? Take your pick...


Yes, I think this is what happens.

I have a machine with one IDE and 2 SATA.

If you try to install from the live CD onto SATA with either 32 or 64
bit it seems fine until you restart when it comes back with a cannot
find file. Remove the IDE (which was not the target drive) and the
installer works perfectly.

Does not appear to write anything on the IDE drive, just seems like it's
presence causes a problem
 
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caver1

Stephan said:
Can depend on the video card. I've seen Ubuntu boot fine on a 256 meg
system and not on the other.

Difference? One really had 256 megs, the other had 256 megs shared with
the on-board video card reducing the effective amount of available memory.

Also, I suppose the hardware drivers that need to be loaded can make a
difference too. Different drivers may have different memory requirements.


okay I thought that but the one it would boot on
was onboard shared video.
The other has a 64 meg Nvidia card. Both with 256. ?
I know its hardware but its not worth it to me to
find out what.
caver1
 
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Richard Urban

I am not referring to any system in particular. I have half a dozen older
computers on the shelf and I wanted to see if they are compatible. Something
like the Vista Compatibility Checker (even though it is not 100% accurate)
would be appreciated. If there is no chance at all that 7.10 will not
install, I don't want to waste the time.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)
 

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