MSDN Universal subscription changes (level and pricing)

[Daniel James]

CV came with C4 (I think that was the first compiler version
MS sold, licensed from Lattice).

My, that seems a looong time ago.

IIRC MSC4 was the first C compiler that Microsoft *didn't* licence
from Lattice. I remember persuading my client at the time that the
new PC they were going to buy for me should have a colour screen
to make CV easier to use ... the first colour screen in the
office, but they pretty soon became standard!

Sidebar: After 20 years, and all the resources available,
you'd think there'd be better stuff available today.

The tools we have today generally *are* better ... but most of the
effort seems to have gone into new tools to solve new problems
rather than better tools to solve old problems more easily. that's
understandable, I suppose, but one might wish that a little more
resource had gone into improving the old stuff ...

NuMega's Soft-Ice was a truly remarkable debugger -- especially
the early version that debugged DOS apps using the V86 mode of a
'386 CPU. Some projects I've worked on would not have been
possible without that tool (a $386 piece of software that replaced
a hardware ICE costing £4000). Shame CompuWare bought NuMega and
effectively killed everything they did.

Cheers,
Daniel.

 

[Guest]

That price is totally out of the question. It's bad enough we have to pay for
development tools that other manufacturers/operating systems get for FREE.
I'm thinking of Apple with its development suite called XCode. Plus linux has
its free dev. tools.

Ever felt like you were just putting more cash into the already cash rich cow?

 

[Guest]

:

I do appreciate the help that the MVP's provide for programming issues in
these newsgroups. I consider this issue to be a "programming" issue as
well. VSTS can make us better programmers and promote MS at the same time.
It's win-win to include it (single developer version) in Universal. It's
lose-lose to not include it. It's that simple.

I agree, it is that simple! I won't be renewing whatever my universal
subscription will now be called. Even though I can upgrade to whatever
version of TS I choose, I think I will be going from enterprise architect
down to pro. Maybe it's time to look closer at Mono!

Cheers,
Dave

 

[Cowboy \(Gregory A. Beamer\)]

Here is a question. Answer true or false:

I am willing to wait until 2006 or 2007, if I can have Visual Studio with
basic Team System templates?

If the answer is no, then the direction MS is heading is correct, at least
for the present. If no, then it is wrong.

As a developer, I can understand the feelings here. VSTS will make us better
at our jobs. I also realize that the product is currently being developed
with the scenario of having VSTS as a "complete package". The problem is the
tools, today, are tied into the Team Foundation, which requires a server. It
is not a simple matter of adding the tools into Visual Studio at this time.
Could it be changed later? Sure. Will it be? The market will help decide
that.

Here is what I see is the biggest problem

Today Tomorrow
Standard Express
Professional Standard
Enterprise Professional
N/A Team System

In the naming, it appears you are losing functionality. What is actually
happening is the product is getting better on all levels.

--
Gregory A. Beamer
MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA

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Think outside the box!
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[Guest]

You just have to get the last word, don't you.

I meant that you tire me. You obviously can't comprehend what I (and
others) are saying to you. Why is it that the only ones that can't
understand the points we are making the so-called MVP's. I thought MVP's
were independent of Microsoft. Is that not the case?

"On my own dime..", What the hell do you mean by that? Is there some sort
of fee for these newsgroups now? I wouldn't be surprised.

GClark

 

[Guest]

The following statement below
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Those will be just $49 each, in a wide variety of flavors :
VB.NET Express, Visual C Express, Visual C++ Express,
Visual J# Express and Visual Web Developer Express.

Then, if you need more power, you can use
VS.NET Standard, which will run $299.

If you need even more power, you can get
VS.NET Professional, at $799 or $549 upgrade.
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I wonder if they work for .net compact framework for PDA and smartmobile

I went to great length with my manager to purchase .net visual studio 2003
pro, so i can attempt to use PDA for instrumentation project and other thing
for electronics development.

It was wonderful experience learning C# and the .net framework, interop
service for access to com components and so on.

Now....it seem MS wish to profit from this, restricting freedom of ability
to program useful application for non-profits purpose. It seem they no longer
car for programmer to enjoy the experience of programming....

Very sad.