Moving Windows XP installation to new mainboard

K

kaweka

My board got damaged. It is a permanent damage.
My goal is to move this windows installation to new board
without having to reinstall it.

Warranty is over.
However, the producer is offering a replacement.

Replacement offer is also for Pentium 4 family, supporting FSB up to 800MHz.
It has exact the same SATA controller - good for my intention.
Although as a separate chip on the board. Not integrated in the south bridge
as on my damaged board.
LAN, FireWire and Audio controllers are also the identic.

Only the north and south bridges are different: ATI 9100 GPI + ATI IXP 150
instead of SiS 655TX + SiS 964.

1. How smooth can be the migrate process in this situation ?
Advantage - same SATA controllers - I guess I should expect any probs in
this context.
2. But, how about the AGP controller ? North bridges are different.
3. Can this be a problematic point ?

4. Any point else to be checked before starting the migration ?

It is hard to get P4S800D-E Deluxe as a second hand.
5. Do you know any good source for a search ?

--
win xp pro sp 3 engl on a SATA disc
P4S800D-E Deluxe
Pentium 4 FSB533, 2.8GHz
Kingston 2 x 1024MB DDR2700
AGP graphic, Asus ati9600XT 128MB
 
S

Shenan Stanley

kaweka said:
My board got damaged. It is a permanent damage.
My goal is to move this windows installation to new board
without having to reinstall it.

Warranty is over.
However, the producer is offering a replacement.

Replacement offer is also for Pentium 4 family, supporting FSB up
to 800MHz. It has exact the same SATA controller - good for my
intention.
Although as a separate chip on the board. Not integrated in the
south bridge as on my damaged board.
LAN, FireWire and Audio controllers are also the identic.

Only the north and south bridges are different: ATI 9100 GPI + ATI
IXP 150 instead of SiS 655TX + SiS 964.

1. How smooth can be the migrate process in this situation ?
Advantage - same SATA controllers - I guess I should expect any
probs in this context.
2. But, how about the AGP controller ? North bridges are different.
3. Can this be a problematic point ?

4. Any point else to be checked before starting the migration ?

It is hard to get P4S800D-E Deluxe as a second hand.
5. Do you know any good source for a search ?

Make sure your backups are current.
- Best case scenario - you already have a very recent disk image
and backup set.
- Second best - you can put that drive in an external case or
another machine and make a completely current backup image.

Direct answers:

1) Should work fine. *
2) *shrug* Should work fine. *
3) Anything can be a problematic point.
4) Your backups are complete.
5) For the PS4S800D-E? No.

* You most likely will have to perform a repair installation of Windows XP
in order to get this working. More information to follow.

Essentially your currently installed HAL(Hardware Abstraction Layer) is
about to get the shock of its life - as you are changing all sorts of
components on it. As far as it is concerned, it was turned off with a
certain set of components - now you are turning it back on and all those
components have changed. I'd liken it to going to sleep one night and when
you get up in the morning - you are in a familar bed, but all the
arrangements of everything in your home is now different and - wait - that's
not your couch.. Whose TV is that?!

In order to get around that and help Windows XP (the HAL specifically)
adjust to its new surroundings and basically understand what happened and
how to use all the new equipment - you need to perform a repair
installation.

A Windows XP repair installation should be fairly benign. It should not
harm anything - just fix certain files/regitry values, etc. In other
words - your stuff (files, favorites, email, contacts, applications, etc)
should all remain intact and virtually untouched.

*HOWEVER* - don't take the chance. A computer's data has a great advantage
over many things in life in that the data can be completely and totally
duplicated - backed up - in case of a disaster on the original copy. I
suggest a full backup (better yet - a full disk image) before you do
anything... ANYTHING else.

Anyway - my suggestion would be to ensure you have a current backup (and/or
image) of the stuff on the hard disk drive in the system. Follow that up
with the motherboard swap. You can *try* to boot into Windows XP if you
desire - you might get lucky and the differences will be something Windows
XP is able to adjust to (it does happen.) If a normal boot fails - try a
Safe Mode boot. If that makes it (Safe Mode boots fine) - try one more
Normal Boot. If it fails again (normal booting) then boot into Safe Mode
and properly shut the system down from there. If neither the Safe Mode or
Normal Mode boots work (or you had to boot into Safe Mode again and properly
shut down) - it is time to perform the Repair Installation.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315341
and/or
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

Know that you *may* (most likely) have to activate your license of Windows
XP after the repair installation. Worst case - you may have to activate via
telephone.

You should also verify that WIndows Updates are working properly *and* are
current. Sometimes a repair installation can cause hiccups - especially if
your Windows XP installaton CD is not the same service pack level as your
installed Windows XP system. You may (most likely will) have to install the
latest service pack and possibly most (if not all) of the post service pack
updates over. Also - if you have IE7 (or later) installed - that will
likely be broken and you will have to install IE7 (or later) again in order
to get it working (Windows XP came with IE6 - therefore the repair install
will put it back on.)

If your windows Updates are not working...

Start button --> RUN and type in:
%SystemRoot%\system32\net stop wuauserv
--> Click OK.

Start button --> RUN and type in:
%SystemRoot%\system32\regsvr32 %SystemRoot%\system32\wups2.dll
--> Click OK.

Start button --> RUN and type in:
%SystemRoot%\system32\net start wuauserv
--> Click OK.

Download the latest version of the Windows Update agent from here (x86):
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=91237
.... and save it to the root of your C:\ drive. After saving it to the root
of the C:\ drive, do the following:

Close all Internet Explorer Windows and other applications.

Start button --> RUN and type in:
%SystemDrive%\windowsupdateagent30-x86.exe /WUFORCE
--> Click OK.

(If asked, select "Run.) --> Click on NEXT --> Select "I agree" and click on
NEXT --> When it finishes installing, click on "Finish"...

Reboot.

Log on as an user with administrative rights and open Internet Explorer and
visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ and select to do a CUSTOM scan...
(Every time you are about to click on something while at these web pages -
first press and hold down the CTRL key while you click on it. You can
release the CTRL key after clicking each time.)

Once the scan is done, select just ONE of the high priority updates
(deselect any others) and install it.

Reboot again.

Come back - let us know if that worked.

(If it did work - try it again - selecting no more than 3-5 at a time. The
Optional Software updates are generally safe - although I recommend against
the Windows Search one. I would completely avoid the Optional Hardware
updates.)

Did I mention backups?
Worth mentioning again...

BACKUPS!
 
D

DL

You can try a win repair installation, I've generally found that works,
installing the new drivers from media as required
 
K

kaweka

Thanks for your hints.

However, my wish was to have some simpler procedure.
I wish also don't get lost all personalizations (os and applications) -
also by applying the repair installation.
As mentioned in the thread starting mail some hardware elements
are identical.
North- and south bridge are the exceptions.

From the former one the agp controller at least is in use.
From the latter one the usb controller/hub.

How about firts running the system from old board, disabling/uninstalling
drivers of all hardware not available on new board. Then starting from
new board ?

Which hardware components else built-in into the bridges are critical
in such situation and to be checked in prior ?


--
win xp pro sp 2 engl
Excel, Word Viewers 2003
PP Viewer 2007
MS security patches applying manually only
MBSA 2.0.1
Fx 2.0 as permitted browser only
 
K

kaweka

As replacement offer I got also some other board.
Based on a chipset from SiS - the same like on damaged board,
but one generation back: 655FX instead of 655TX.

Could be the migration less risky in this case as in case
of SiS 655TX to ATI9100IGP ?


Once again, the IMHO most important controller: SATA (RAID) is
identical on damage and replacement boards.


--
win xp pro sp 2 engl
Excel, Word Viewers 2003
PP Viewer 2007
MS security patches applying manually only
MBSA 2.0.1
Fx 2.0 as permitted browser only
 
J

Jim

kaweka said:
As replacement offer I got also some other board.
Based on a chipset from SiS - the same like on damaged board,
but one generation back: 655FX instead of 655TX.

Could be the migration less risky in this case as in case
of SiS 655TX to ATI9100IGP ?


Once again, the IMHO most important controller: SATA (RAID) is
identical on damage and replacement boards.


--
win xp pro sp 2 engl
Excel, Word Viewers 2003
PP Viewer 2007
MS security patches applying manually only
MBSA 2.0.1
Fx 2.0 as permitted browser only
Just follow Shenan's advice. There is always a risk that the repair
installation will fail regardless of how little new hardware is involved.

Jim
 
I

Ian D

kaweka said:
As replacement offer I got also some other board.
Based on a chipset from SiS - the same like on damaged board,
but one generation back: 655FX instead of 655TX.

Could be the migration less risky in this case as in case
of SiS 655TX to ATI9100IGP ?


Once again, the IMHO most important controller: SATA (RAID) is
identical on damage and replacement boards.


--
win xp pro sp 2 engl
Excel, Word Viewers 2003
PP Viewer 2007
MS security patches applying manually only
MBSA 2.0.1
Fx 2.0 as permitted browser only

If the chipset is from the same manufacturer it may work. I
replaced an Asus P5B Dlx with Intel P965 chipset with an
Asus P6T Dlx with Intel X58 chipset. When I booted up to
both Win XP Pro and 64 bit Vista Ultimate, the system ran
with a few question marks in Device Manager. After I ran the
Intel inf utility, and the new LAN and audio drivers, everything
was 100%, but I did have to re-activate both, with no problems.
 
K

kaweka

I decided to ask for asus p4s800d-x as replacement for faulty board.
This option meant one step back in nortbridge evolution.
SiS655FX vs. SiS655TX previously. Same chipset vendor, same mainboard vendor.
Only LAN chip different on the new board. Nevertheless, Windows XP didn't
have problems with new LAN controller.

And regarding host controller (SATA) - my old win xp installation started as
knowing that from the past. No repair installation was necessary, no
start-up hangs and probs, no security/driver updates necessary. I can enjoy
my win installation as before without any effort after having changed to the
replacement board.

Exact as the intention was!
 
S

Shenan Stanley

kaweka said:
My board got damaged. It is a permanent damage.
My goal is to move this windows installation to new board
without having to reinstall it.

Warranty is over.
However, the producer is offering a replacement.

Replacement offer is also for Pentium 4 family, supporting FSB up
to 800MHz. It has exact the same SATA controller - good for my
intention.
Although as a separate chip on the board. Not integrated in the
south bridge as on my damaged board.
LAN, FireWire and Audio controllers are also the identic.

Only the north and south bridges are different: ATI 9100 GPI + ATI
IXP 150 instead of SiS 655TX + SiS 964.

1. How smooth can be the migrate process in this situation ?
Advantage - same SATA controllers - I guess I should expect any
probs in this context.
2. But, how about the AGP controller ? North bridges are different.
3. Can this be a problematic point ?

4. Any point else to be checked before starting the migration ?

It is hard to get P4S800D-E Deluxe as a second hand.
5. Do you know any good source for a search ?

Shenan said:
Make sure your backups are current.
- Best case scenario - you already have a very recent disk image
and backup set.
- Second best - you can put that drive in an external case or
another machine and make a completely current backup image.

Direct answers:

1) Should work fine. *
2) *shrug* Should work fine. *
3) Anything can be a problematic point.
4) Your backups are complete.
5) For the PS4S800D-E? No.

* You most likely will have to perform a repair installation of
Windows XP in order to get this working. More information to
follow.

Essentially your currently installed HAL(Hardware Abstraction
Layer) is about to get the shock of its life - as you are changing
all sorts of components on it. As far as it is concerned, it was
turned off with a certain set of components - now you are turning
it back on and all those components have changed. I'd liken it to
going to sleep one night and when you get up in the morning - you
are in a familar bed, but all the arrangements of everything in
your home is now different and - wait - that's not your couch..
Whose TV is that?!

In order to get around that and help Windows XP (the HAL
specifically) adjust to its new surroundings and basically
understand what happened and how to use all the new equipment - you
need to perform a repair installation.

A Windows XP repair installation should be fairly benign. It
should not harm anything - just fix certain files/regitry values,
etc. In other
words - your stuff (files, favorites, email, contacts,
applications, etc) should all remain intact and virtually untouched.

*HOWEVER* - don't take the chance. A computer's data has a great
advantage over many things in life in that the data can be
completely and totally duplicated - backed up - in case of a
disaster on the original copy. I suggest a full backup (better yet
- a full disk image) before you do anything... ANYTHING else.

Anyway - my suggestion would be to ensure you have a current backup
(and/or image) of the stuff on the hard disk drive in the system.
Follow that up with the motherboard swap. You can *try* to boot
into Windows XP if you desire - you might get lucky and the
differences will be something Windows XP is able to adjust to (it
does happen.) If a normal boot fails - try a Safe Mode boot. If
that makes it (Safe Mode boots fine) - try one more Normal Boot.
If it fails again (normal booting) then boot into Safe Mode and
properly shut the system down from there. If neither the Safe Mode
or Normal Mode boots work (or you had to boot into Safe Mode again
and properly shut down) - it is time to perform the Repair
Installation.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315341
and/or
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

Know that you *may* (most likely) have to activate your license of
Windows XP after the repair installation. Worst case - you may
have to activate via telephone.

You should also verify that WIndows Updates are working properly
*and* are current. Sometimes a repair installation can cause
hiccups - especially if your Windows XP installaton CD is not the
same service pack level as your installed Windows XP system. You
may (most likely will) have to install the latest service pack and
possibly most (if not all) of the post service pack updates over.
Also - if you have IE7 (or later) installed - that will likely be
broken and you will have to install IE7 (or later) again in order
to get it working (Windows XP came with IE6 - therefore the repair
install will put it back on.)

If your windows Updates are not working...

Start button --> RUN and type in:
%SystemRoot%\system32\net stop wuauserv
--> Click OK.

Start button --> RUN and type in:
%SystemRoot%\system32\regsvr32 %SystemRoot%\system32\wups2.dll
--> Click OK.

Start button --> RUN and type in:
%SystemRoot%\system32\net start wuauserv
--> Click OK.

Download the latest version of the Windows Update agent from here
(x86): http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=91237
... and save it to the root of your C:\ drive. After saving it to
the root of the C:\ drive, do the following:

Close all Internet Explorer Windows and other applications.

Start button --> RUN and type in:
%SystemDrive%\windowsupdateagent30-x86.exe /WUFORCE
--> Click OK.

(If asked, select "Run.) --> Click on NEXT --> Select "I agree" and
click on NEXT --> When it finishes installing, click on "Finish"...

Reboot.

Log on as an user with administrative rights and open Internet
Explorer and visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ and select
to do a CUSTOM scan... (Every time you are about to click on
something while at these web pages - first press and hold down the
CTRL key while you click on it. You can release the CTRL key after
clicking each time.)

Once the scan is done, select just ONE of the high priority updates
(deselect any others) and install it.

Reboot again.

Come back - let us know if that worked.

(If it did work - try it again - selecting no more than 3-5 at a
time. The Optional Software updates are generally safe - although
I recommend against the Windows Search one. I would completely
avoid the Optional Hardware updates.)

Did I mention backups?
Worth mentioning again...

BACKUPS!
I decided to ask for asus p4s800d-x as replacement for faulty board.
This option meant one step back in nortbridge evolution.
SiS655FX vs. SiS655TX previously. Same chipset vendor, same
mainboard vendor. Only LAN chip different on the new board.
Nevertheless, Windows XP didn't have problems with new LAN
controller.

And regarding host controller (SATA) - my old win xp installation
started as knowing that from the past. No repair installation was
necessary, no start-up hangs and probs, no security/driver updates
necessary. I can enjoy my win installation as before without any
effort after having changed to the replacement board.

Exact as the intention was!

Glad things worked out. Thanks for coming back to let everyone know.
 

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