Motherboard for P4.

[David Maynard]

Gigabyte MoBo's do not let you overclock at all, or support faster Memory

Needless to say but that statement is simply untrue.

 

[BigH2K]

<snip>

Hey! I got one of those on the shelf! GA-7DXE. Replaced it with an
nForce2Ultra400.

Don't talk to me about VIA USB controllers!

 

[~misfit~]

Needless to say but that statement is simply untrue.

Of course it is. Sorry guys, Woger is the village idiot from my local
computer newsgroup, nz.comp, where he has posted under over 100 different
alias' in the last few years as people killfile him. I don't know how he got
out, I thought we had him locked in the basement.

 

[Dave C.]

Yea, he likes to make *ass*umptions about others. VIA has a bad

history and only a dumbass would choose a VIA chipset over the 865 and
875 chipsets for a P4 build.

What do you know that the experts don't? All the experts agree that the
taiwanese chipmakers are holding their own against Intel as far as stability
AND performance goes. I'm waiting . . . enlighten us . . . -Dave

 

[JK]

Take a look at this review, which includes the lower priced
Athlon 64 chips.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=1

 

[Ralph Wade Phillips]

Of course it is. Sorry guys, Woger is the village idiot from my local
computer newsgroup, nz.comp, where he has posted under over 100 different
alias' in the last few years as people killfile him. I don't know how he got
out, I thought we had him locked in the basement.

That's what you get for running an unsecured 802.11b node, Misfit.

RwP

 

[Dennis E Strausser Jr]

Take a look at this review, which includes the lower priced
Athlon 64 chips.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=1

Ok, and???
On a lot of tests they keep up well.
Hmm?
FX53 = around 800 or 830$
P4 3.4 C EE 999$
Which would you rather have?
I'm starting to do everything I can think of just to get a FX53, but I
might
just get a FX51 and overclock the shit out of it.
I still have a water cooler, all I need is a new water block and I'm all
set.
Denny.

 

[JK]

Why not get an Atholon 64 3800+ instead of an FX-51? It looks like AMD
may be phasing out the FX-51 and replacing it with the Athlon64 3800+, so if
you want an FX-51, you better buy it soon. As for the choice between the two,
it depends on whether your software makes better use of the extra cache
or the extra clock speed. Just off the top of my head, I would guess that on
average most games tend to make better use of the extra clock speed
rather than the extra cache for an Athlon64, since the Athlon 64 isn't
heavily pipelined.

 

[JK]

Notice the absence of the FX-51 in this story.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/26/amd_prices/print.html

 

[~misfit~]

That's what you get for running an unsecured 802.11b node,
Misfit.

LOL. He actually lives at the other end of the island from me. (North
Island).

 

[Dave C.]

What do you know that the experts don't? All the experts agree that the
taiwanese chipmakers are holding their own against Intel as far as stability
AND performance goes. I'm waiting . . . enlighten us . . . -Dave

Still waiting, but not holding my breath . . .

 

[maggot]

Still waiting, but not holding my breath . . .

I already told you, the internet is rife with VIA horror stories. Now
be a smart boy and go do your own homework.

 

[Johannes H Andersen]

I already told you, the internet is rife with VIA horror stories. Now
be a smart boy and go do your own homework.

I find that I sometimes get a lot of stick for choosing the 'safe' choices such
as e.g. Intel cpu and chip set. However, this is not a comment on AMD and others
which may work equally well, it is just that a choice has to be made, and since
I was spending my own scarce money, I didn't want any hassle and just want it
to work. It may seem unfair, but life is harder for newcomers.

 

[Dave]

in message news:[email protected]...
The P4 is not 800 fsb, it's 200
It works something like the Athlon Xp, but does it twice.
To better explain this, here's an email I got from AMD

Hello Dennis,

Thank you for contacting AMD's Technical Service Center.

The Athlon XP has a Front Side Bus (FSB) that operates at either 266,
333, or 400Mhz. While the physical signal is 133, 166, or 200Mhz, data
is transferred on both the rising and falling edges of the clock
signal. This effectively doubles the data throughput. This is similar
to the operation of DDR memory and 2X AGP. Motherboards that support a
400, 333, 266, and 200MHz front-side bus (FSB) will typically have a
factory-default FSB setting of 200MHz (100MHz system clock) to protect
200MHz FSB processors from accidentally being overclocked. If an Athlon
XP processor, which supports a 400, 333 or 266MHz FSB, is installed on
a motherboard that is configured to operate the FSB at 200MHz, it will
operate at a lower frequency. This is a result of the processor's
multiplier. The function of the multiplier is to multiply the bus
frequency to derive the processor operating frequency.

The actual setting of the FSB may be controlled by the motherboard BIOS
or by a hardware jumper on the motherboard itself. Please consult your
motherboard manufacturer directly to determine how to correctly set the
FSB for your motherboard.

Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, please feel free to
contact me.

Regards,
Jesus
Customer Support Analyst
AMD TSC


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Processor Type: Athlon XP
Escalated From: startup
Processor Model: 2200+
Knowledge Base: Processor
Email Address: (e-mail address removed)
Full Name: Dennis E Strausser Jr
Message Body: (FSB) & Bus Speed. If a CPU has a FSB of 133, that would
mean the Bus Speed is 266? So like My 2200+ I have is 266 Bus Speed, and
133 (FSB)? And a 2800+ would be 166 FSB (166.5)? What I need is a link
if I'm right, if I'm wrong, I still want that link. I was trying to tell
some1 that I thought that's the way it works, and he said I'm wrong. So
I'm sure you guys can tell me, after all, they are your CPU's 2200+?
2600 @ 2.17 GHz,,, But you didn't need to know I'm Overclocking one of
your CPU's. Denny.
Subject: FSB & Bus Speed
User Type: Reseller/System Builder
Knowledge Job Ticket: 0000000000169818213:5486
Knowledge Session Log URL:
http://139.95.253.213:80/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?SessLog,e=0000000000
169818213,K=5486
Location: USA/Canada

What this all means?
I'll break it down.
the rising and falling edges of the clock
signal are still working for the most part, the same way as an amd.
But.
200 x 200 rising and falling edges of the clock signal.
200 x 200 rising and falling edges of the clock signal.
Don't take my word for it, this is just a guess.
But it does seem like a good guess to say that's how it's Hyperthreading
works.
Back when it was just Hyperpipline, I think it helped to keep the cpu
running smooth.
And keep the bottle neck as low as possible.

If anyone has more input on this, or if I'm wrong, correct me.
thx..
Denny.

Hmmm, good questions.

I have some that can be added. To get the 800MHZ data rate do you need 4
memory DIMMs (sticks) or can it work with only two standard ones?

Dave

 

[Johannes H Andersen]

Hmmm, good questions.

I have some that can be added. To get the 800MHZ data rate do you need 4
memory DIMMs (sticks) or can it work with only two standard ones?

Dave

Two standard ones, that is two DDR400. The DDR means Double Data Rate,
dual channel is on top of that, hence 800MHz transfer rate = 6400000000 bits/s.

 

[Dennis E Strausser Jr]

Two standard ones, that is two DDR400. The DDR means Double Data Rate,
dual channel is on top of that, hence 800MHz transfer rate = 6400000000

bits/s.
Righ, ty.
If you use two, also make sure they are installed right.
What I mean is, don't just use dimm slots 1 & 2 Most boards will just give
you the ram you just installed.
Like 2 x 512 for 1Meg
Use dimm slots 1 & 3 or 2 & 4, if your board has 4
This gives dual channel mode.
Denny.

 

[Dennis E Strausser Jr]

in message news:[email protected]...
http://asksurvey.amd.com/servicesof...emailID=345382&[email protected]). need
bits/s.
Righ, ty.
If you use two, also make sure they are installed right.
What I mean is, don't just use dimm slots 1 & 2 Most boards will just give
you the ram you just installed.
Like 2 x 512 for 1Meg (1Gig) Oops....
Use dimm slots 1 & 3 or 2 & 4, if your board has 4
This gives dual channel mode.
Denny.

In reply to myself,,,, Oops. 1Gig..
Denny.

 

[Johannes H Andersen]

bits/s.
Righ, ty.
If you use two, also make sure they are installed right.
What I mean is, don't just use dimm slots 1 & 2 Most boards will just give
you the ram you just installed.
Like 2 x 512 for 1Meg
Use dimm slots 1 & 3 or 2 & 4, if your board has 4
This gives dual channel mode.
Denny.

Yep.

My Gigabyte board has 6 DIMM slots, hence 1 & 4 have matching colours.

But there is something else to observe. On this board only 1 & 4 can be
double sided DIMM, the rest 2,3,5,6 must be single sided.

The mobo manual states that max memory is 4GB. Presumably that means
2x1024 double sided + 2x512 single sided + 2x512 single sided ?

However, I have never seen DDR DIMM listed specifically as single or
double sided anywhere.