more athlon 64 computer questions

[Dr. Nick]

ok I was thinking of building an athlon 64 system then I found a site that
sells barebones with custimization. I built a whole setup for about 600
(3000, MSI board, 2 80 GB drives in RAID 0, 256 PCI express card, 1GB fo ram
in DUal channel mode, case and power supply. my question about this is the
hard drives, I want an SATA drive but the drives they are offering are
seagates, how are these drives? I've always been a WD or IBM guy myself.
also, is doing a RAID 0 advisable? does it increase performance that much?

 

[Gary C]

I want an SATA drive but the drives they are offering are seagates, how
are these drives?

The only manufacture to offer a 5 year warranty.

120 gig SATA Seagate drive here. I can't hear it at all.

 

[Alan Walpool]

Nick> ok I was thinking of building an athlon 64 system then I found
Nick> a site that sells barebones with custimization. I built a whole
Nick> setup for about 600 (3000, MSI board, 2 80 GB drives in RAID 0,
Nick> 256 PCI express card, 1GB fo ram in DUal channel mode, case and
Nick> power supply. my question about this is the hard drives, I want
Nick> an SATA drive but the drives they are offering are seagates,
Nick> how are these drives? I've always been a WD or IBM guy myself.
Nick> also, is doing a RAID 0 advisable? does it increase performance
Nick> that much?


raid 0 = double the risk of data lose. I learned the hard way after
many folks told me to avoid raid 0. The performance increase is not
worth the risk for the desktop user. I know I know backup backup
backup! BUT!

Whatever.

 

[NoNoBadDog!]

ok I was thinking of building an athlon 64 system then I found a site that
sells barebones with custimization. I built a whole setup for about 600
(3000, MSI board, 2 80 GB drives in RAID 0, 256 PCI express card, 1GB fo
ram in DUal channel mode, case and power supply. my question about this is
the hard drives, I want an SATA drive but the drives they are offering are
seagates, how are these drives? I've always been a WD or IBM guy myself.
also, is doing a RAID 0 advisable? does it increase performance that much?

Seagate's are wonderful drives. Plus, all internal Seagate drives have a 5
year warranty.
They are much cooler and quieter than WD or Maxtor. I won't build with
anything else!
They last forever, are quiet....I would rate them as superior to their
competition.

FWIW, Seagate is the largest hard disc manufacturer.

Bobby

 

[Randy Howard]

Nick> ok I was thinking of building an athlon 64 system then I found
Nick> a site that sells barebones with custimization. I built a whole
Nick> setup for about 600 (3000, MSI board, 2 80 GB drives in RAID 0,
Nick> 256 PCI express card, 1GB fo ram in DUal channel mode, case and
Nick> power supply. my question about this is the hard drives, I want
Nick> an SATA drive but the drives they are offering are seagates,
Nick> how are these drives? I've always been a WD or IBM guy myself.
Nick> also, is doing a RAID 0 advisable? does it increase performance
Nick> that much?


raid 0 = double the risk of data lose. I learned the hard way after
many folks told me to avoid raid 0.

It would be very, very good for a swap partition, or a scratch disk
for something like photoshop, if you could afford the extra drives.

Critical data is supposed to be backed up anyway, dont you know?

The performance increase is not
worth the risk for the desktop user. I know I know backup backup
backup! BUT!

But what? If you're going to play that game, then spring for a real
RAID controller that supports RAID 5, or run software RAID 5, which
in some cases is actually faster.

 

[Randy Howard]

Seagate's are wonderful drives.

I guess you're too young to remember the famous Seagate "stiction"
problem.

Plus, all internal Seagate drives have a 5 year warranty.

Everyone that has collected on a hard drive warranty raise your hand...

They are much cooler and quieter than WD or Maxtor. I won't build with
anything else!

Slapping parts together is not building. It's legos. Board designers,
bios engineers, etc. build computers. You do not.

They last forever,

Want to bet? Care to run a little test program I have handy for a couple
weeks or months solid on your drives and see how they hold up?

 

[Bill]

I guess you're too young to remember the famous Seagate "stiction"
problem.

Ahh. ST225's. Comp won't boot? Turn on power, pick up computer and
rapidly rotate left and right until it boots. Get data off drive fast
if you're lucky enough to get it to boot.

Everyone that has collected on a hard drive warranty raise your hand...

Me raises hand. That includes IBM and WD drives too.
<snip>

Bill

 

[Randy Howard]

Ahh. ST225's. Comp won't boot? Turn on power, pick up computer and
rapidly rotate left and right until it boots. Get data off drive fast
if you're lucky enough to get it to boot.

Or just mount them upside down.

 

[NoNoBadDog!]

I guess you're too young to remember the famous Seagate "stiction"
problem.

Remember it well. I gues you dont remeber the infamous IBM Deathstar
fiasco, the Western Digital fiasco with their 80GB drives with known bad
controllers, etc.

Everyone that has collected on a hard drive warranty raise your hand...

I have collected warranties, mostly on Maxtor and WD. I had to RMA a WD
120GB WD External drive just last month...it got so hot that it literally
"fried" the controller board. I was a victim ot the IBM Deathstar fiasco,
and was unable to exchange the drive (IBM stated there was no known
problem); only after the class action suit was settled did I get my money
back.

Slapping parts together is not building. It's legos. Board designers,
bios engineers, etc. build computers. You do not.

So Carpenters, electricians, plumbers and so on don't build houses? They
just slap a bunch of parts together? Get a life. You have to worry about
semantics? The physical act of putting the various components together to
make a computer can be accurately called "building" a computer.

Want to bet? Care to run a little test program I have handy for a couple
weeks or months solid on your drives and see how they hold up?

I am amazed that you have nothing better to do than to write code that will
stress a HDD to failure. Most users will never put anywhere near that
stress on their HDDs. With normal usage, given reasonable conditons, the
drive will last as long as the other components in the system. You have
nothing better to do than nitpick? Go run your tests....

 

[Wes Newell]

Ahh. ST225's. Comp won't boot? Turn on power, pick up computer and
rapidly rotate left and right until it boots. Get data off drive fast
if you're lucky enough to get it to boot.

I had one of them back in the day. I finally just removed the cover so I
could spin it by hand to get it started. I then figured out if it I just
left it on for about 15 minutes so it'd warm up I could then boot Ok with
it. used it a few years liek that.

 

[Ed Light]

Slapping parts together is not building. It's legos. Board designers,
bios engineers, etc. build computers. You do not.

Engineers don't build it. They design it.


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[Ed Light]

Samsungs are great, and quiet, and cool running. But some of the ones with
jvc instead of nidec motors whine a little.

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[Bill]

Or just mount them upside down.

Too kinky for me.

Bill

 

[Bill]

I had one of them back in the day. I finally just removed the cover so I
could spin it by hand to get it started. I then figured out if it I just
left it on for about 15 minutes so it'd warm up I could then boot Ok with
it. used it a few years liek that.

Those ST-225's bought me a lot of beer.

Bill

 

[Dr. Nick]

I have collected warranties, mostly on Maxtor and WD. I had to RMA a WD

120GB WD External drive just last month...it got so hot that it literally
"fried" the controller board. I was a victim ot the IBM Deathstar fiasco,
and was unable to exchange the drive (IBM stated there was no known
problem); only after the class action suit was settled did I get my money
back.

I STILL have an IBM Deathstar 45 gig drive in my computer (it's finally
starting to die) my brother in law had one it died in 3 months, he got a
replacement 60 GB drive from IBM. my brothers died about a year ago, so I'm
WELL on borrowed time with this drive. there was a class action lawsuit? how
do I get in on that?

 

[Ed]

I STILL have an IBM Deathstar 45 gig drive in my computer (it's finally
starting to die) my brother in law had one it died in 3 months, he got a
replacement 60 GB drive from IBM. my brothers died about a year ago, so I'm
WELL on borrowed time with this drive. there was a class action lawsuit? how
do I get in on that?

Not sure, I received the law suit forms in the mail, guess IBM had me on
file. My Deskstar died in 6 months and the replacement drive they sent
me died in 8 hours!


Ed

 

[NoNoBadDog!]

I STILL have an IBM Deathstar 45 gig drive in my computer (it's finally
starting to die) my brother in law had one it died in 3 months, he got a
replacement 60 GB drive from IBM. my brothers died about a year ago, so
I'm WELL on borrowed time with this drive. there was a class action
lawsuit? how do I get in on that?

The window for the lawsuit is closed. If you had registered the drive at
time of purchase with IBM on their website, then you would have been
contacted with the appropriate forms to file.
This is an example of why you should always register each piece of hardware
with the manufacturer. Had I not registered it, I would not have been able
to claim it.

Bobby

 

[Alan Walpool]

Randy> But what? If you're going to play that game, then spring for a
Randy> real RAID controller that supports RAID 5, or run software
Randy> RAID 5, which in some cases is actually faster.

I did ;-)). Runs smooth very smooth.

Later

 

[ferg]

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Randy> But what? If you're going to play that game, then spring for a
Randy> real RAID controller that supports RAID 5, or run software
Randy> RAID 5, which in some cases is actually faster.

I did ;-)). Runs smooth very smooth.

Later ................................

Dell (uk) has started to offer raid 0 or raid 1 as standard now on most of
their new 9100 systems
although i have no idea myself which is better


ferg

 

[ferg]

Dell (uk) has started to offer raid 0 or raid 1 as standard now on most

of their new 9100 systems
although i have no idea myself which is better


ferg
just to add the cpu is intel p4 3.0 630 (64bit)

ferg