Minolta SE5400: is this level of streaking normal?

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Don

Not to worry folks.

We don't! Quite the contrary! ;o)
Our diva is just being a little bad tempered again.

Are you saying he's done this before as a pathetic attempt to get his
misguided groupies to beg him to stay in order to boost his fragile
ego? That's really sad! How old is he? Three?

Actually it puts his tantrums and ranting into perspective because it
explains both his pathological hypersensitivity and massive
insecurity.

Not good attributes for a programmer... well... apparently an alleged
programmer in his case... ;o)
Maybe we should try to convince Minolta that it might be a good idea to
give Ed a hand.

Minolta provided the SDK. His demonstrated programming incompetence is
not their problem.

Don.
 
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Don

Yes, and he's been saying at least for the whole of this year...

And you must have missed the post where he said he was giving up.
Unless he's changed his mind. ...Again.

Until I saw the "Boo-hoo... If you won't let me win I'm leaving and
taking my ball with me..." message, I still thought we were dealing
with a grown up!

Anyway, now that (he says) he's gone... Quickly! Lock the door! ;o)

Don.
 
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Alan Browne

Don said:
Are you saying he's done this before as a pathetic attempt to get his
misguided groupies to beg him to stay in order to boost his fragile
ego? That's really sad! How old is he? Three?

Three times your age in any case.
Actually it puts his tantrums and ranting into perspective because it
explains both his pathological hypersensitivity and massive
insecurity.

Or rather simply that in trying to be dedicated to his customers that his
overloaded and that some problems are harder than others to clear out.
Not good attributes for a programmer... well... apparently an alleged
programmer in his case... ;o)

Minolta provided the SDK. His demonstrated programming incompetence is
not their problem.

Hmm, I guess you can do better? Oh, right, I didn't think so.
 
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Hecate

Until I saw the "Boo-hoo... If you won't let me win I'm leaving and
taking my ball with me..." message, I still thought we were dealing
with a grown up!

LOL! He does this quite often - the "it's my ball and I shan't let
you play. shan't, shan't shan't" routine is played out every six
months or so from what I've seen.

I would've had a lot more respect for the man if he'd just admitted
right from the start, months ago, that there was a problem and he
couldn't do anything about it.
Anyway, now that (he says) he's gone... Quickly! Lock the door! ;o)
<Arnie voice> He'll be back...
 
C

celebrate

Hecate said:
LOL! He does this quite often - the "it's my ball and I shan't let
you play. shan't, shan't shan't" routine is played out every six
months or so from what I've seen.

I would've had a lot more respect for the man if he'd just admitted
right from the start, months ago, that there was a problem and he
couldn't do anything about it.

<Arnie voice> He'll be back...

He must get lonely admiring his own "product" and finding nothing wrong
with it. May be we should have a lottery on how long he'll stay away.
 
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Don

Hmm, I guess you can do better? Oh, right, I didn't think so.

Actually, I can! Anybody and his dog could do better than drag a bug
around for a year...

But all that's beside the point because I'm not *selling* a "product"
riddled with bugs and responding to justified criticism of those bugs
with obscenities and temper tantrums.

Don.
 
D

Don

LOL! He does this quite often - the "it's my ball and I shan't let
you play. shan't, shan't shan't" routine is played out every six
months or so from what I've seen.

Oh, I see.... :)

If that's the case, I expect that after the phony indignation and the
dramatic "exit" he lurks around secretly waiting for his groupies to
beg him to come back.
I would've had a lot more respect for the man if he'd just admitted
right from the start, months ago, that there was a problem and he
couldn't do anything about it.

Yes, a real (wo)man would do that.

But, I guess, his insecurity is probably because his mommy dresses him
funny... ;o)

Don.
 
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Anoni Moose

Hecate said:
I would've had a lot more respect for the man if he'd just admitted
right from the start, months ago, that there was a problem and he
couldn't do anything about it.

How could he know that for sure? I have a lot of respect for him, he puts
up with a lot of crud from people, he has an amazingly thick skin
even if not totally impervious. I signed up with "vuescan" many
years ago, and was one of only two or three who asked for the IT-8
profiling features (long after I had purchased my license) and he
added it anyway. The program is a great deal more than what it was
when I first got it. And I've not had to pay anything more -- where
any other program I'd have to (want to talk about silverfast?).
As good as silverfast? Maybe not, but tremendously cheaper,
especially over time.

It's certainly my right and is proper for me to report problems
with vuescan that I may have using my Minolta 5400 (haven't tried vuescan
with it yet actually.. just got it three days ago), but even if it's crap
with the Minolta, I didn't buy it for that -- and anybody who bought
it for this scanner should have used the demo version first and not
bought vuescan if not happy. What
I'm saying is that I wasn't guaranteed that it'll work with my new
scanner when I paid for it, and because of the demo model, neither
did anyone else. I have no right to give him a hard time other
than to more neutrally report problems and hope he fixes it. He'd
be perfectly within his right to just not support the scanner as
he has done to other scanners with unfixable problems.

That said, I hope he can fix it and would rather he be helped to
fix it rather than beating on him about it (as only some do,
most seem okay). I'm surprised he goes to usenet groups where
getting a beating is almost a given even when he's trying to
be helpful (where mailing lists tend to be a great deal more polite).

Mike
 
F

Fernando

That said, I hope he can fix it and would rather he be helped to
fix it rather than beating on him about it

I agree with you, Mike.
I purchased Vuescan after having tried it with my first scanner, a
Canon 2700F (hopeless machine). It did so better than Canon's own
software, that I decided it was worth the money.
Then, I used it with an Epson 2450 (did a great job on it as well), on
a Polaroid SS120 (not even comparable with PolaScan), a Minolta Scan
Dual III (so-so. I think Vuescan has some peculiar problems with
Minolta scanners) and now the DSE5400.
I run it on my Linux box and on my Windows PC.
All, having only paid the first time.
I went from 7.0.something to 8.1.5 without shelling another cent.
Now, Vuescan does not work in a usable way with the DSE5400 in my
opinion, but as you say, one can tell it quite easy from the demo.
Yes, I would have preferred that mr.Hamrick would have tried harder to
fix the issues; I filed a certain number of bug reports, provided log
files, offered help and testing, but he did not followed that much.
Maybe he's overloaded and his business is not rich enough to pay for
another experienced programmer, who knows.
Oh, and he's not always nice in his replies as well.

Anyway, I don't think it's fair to beat Vuescan and mr.Hamrick this
way. Vuescan has proven to be a very good, stable and feature-rich
product for many scanner models and many OSes.
If we go down that hard on him, what should we do to Bill Gates,
then?!? ;-)

Just my 2 cents.

Fernando
 
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Alan Browne

Don said:
Actually, I can! Anybody and his dog could do better than drag a bug
around for a year...

But all that's beside the point because I'm not *selling* a "product"
riddled with bugs and responding to justified criticism of those bugs
with obscenities and temper tantrums.


Of course you're not selling anything, you're wasting your time here being a child.
 
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Alan Browne

Don said:
Promises, promises...

Oh yeah, and take VueScan with you. It's not environmentally friendly
to leave litter behind... ;o)


Of you or Ed, I think Ed is much more welcome here, not to mention a contributor.
 
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Alan Browne

Don said:
Until I saw the "Boo-hoo... If you won't let me win I'm leaving and
taking my ball with me..." message, I still thought we were dealing
with a grown up!

You are nothing but a loudmouth boor.
 
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Hecate

That said, I hope he can fix it and would rather he be helped to
fix it rather than beating on him about it

It's been a year now AFAICR and he still hasn't "got around to it". I
think that's more than enough time to get a known bug fixed. Even
Microsoft are quicker than that!
 
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Steven

You are nothing but a loudmouth boor.

I think Don is quite right here. Ed's outburst was outrageous. If I
was one of the quiet 5400 users waiting for a fix for a scanner than
Vuescan is meant to support I would be angry now.

Rather than fixing bugs we now have Vuescan for blondes (8.1 complete
with permanent "stupid" button). No wonder existing users are less than
impressed.

-- Steven
 
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Maris V. Lidaka Sr.

Please - no personal attacks.

Maris
We don't! Quite the contrary! ;o)


Are you saying he's done this before as a pathetic attempt to get his
misguided groupies to beg him to stay in order to boost his fragile
ego?
 
K

Ken

Hecate said:
It's been a year now AFAICR and he still hasn't "got around to it". I
think that's more than enough time to get a known bug fixed. Even
Microsoft are quicker than that!

There seems to be a severe lack of understanding of why problems with
the Minolta scanners are difficult to fix.

Generally Ed reverse engineers the scanner software (unless he's lucky
enough to be supplied with documentation by the manufacturer or someone
else has done the work). This involves looking at the communications
with the scanner and trying to work out what they do. No SDK, just a lot
of effort.
 
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celebrate

Fernando said:
I agree with you, Mike.
I purchased Vuescan after having tried it with my first scanner, a
Canon 2700F (hopeless machine). It did so better than Canon's own
software, that I decided it was worth the money.
Then, I used it with an Epson 2450 (did a great job on it as well), on
a Polaroid SS120 (not even comparable with PolaScan), a Minolta Scan
Dual III (so-so. I think Vuescan has some peculiar problems with
Minolta scanners) and now the DSE5400.
I run it on my Linux box and on my Windows PC.
All, having only paid the first time.
I went from 7.0.something to 8.1.5 without shelling another cent.
Now, Vuescan does not work in a usable way with the DSE5400 in my
opinion, but as you say, one can tell it quite easy from the demo.
Yes, I would have preferred that mr.Hamrick would have tried harder to
fix the issues; I filed a certain number of bug reports, provided log
files, offered help and testing, but he did not followed that much.
Maybe he's overloaded and his business is not rich enough to pay for
another experienced programmer, who knows.
Oh, and he's not always nice in his replies as well.

Anyway, I don't think it's fair to beat Vuescan and mr.Hamrick this
way. Vuescan has proven to be a very good, stable and feature-rich
product for many scanner models and many OSes.
If we go down that hard on him, what should we do to Bill Gates,
then?!? ;-)

Just my 2 cents.

Fernando

Supporters of Vuescan like yourself typically seem to have use the
products for years. Even for products without Vuescan bugs, it probably
have taken you years to get over the learning curve. With or without
bugs, Vuescan has no product specification, a horrific user interface,
and pitiful documentation. New users beware!
 
P

Pasi Savolainen

Supporters of Vuescan like yourself typically seem to have use the
products for years. Even for products without Vuescan bugs, it probably
have taken you years to get over the learning curve. With or without
bugs, Vuescan has no product specification, a horrific user interface,
and pitiful documentation. New users beware!

So basically what you're saying is that experienced users use vuescan.
Fair enough.
 

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