Merged AMD-ATI monster embarks on monopoly-busting

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AirRaid

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33230

Intel in the crosshairs, as execs explain themselves

By Paul Hales: Monday 24 July 2006, 14:31
BEST MATES AMD and ATI held a conference call today in which the
companies' biggest cheeses sought justify their new cohabitation.

The 'excited' executives were led by AMD CEO Hector Ruiz who lauded the
deal as re-shaping the future of the industry. "We're excited about
what we can do together in a market dominated for years by one
company," in the first of many digs at arch-competitor Intel.

AMD confirmed that much of ATI's operation will be brought in-house,
but AMD will remain, "committed to ATI's customers, employers and
Canada," said Ruiz.

He added that he didn't expect lay-offs "in any significant numbers".

Ruiz confessed that AMD had been mulling its best options for a
partnership over the past two to three years and it is ATI's expertise
in the mobility space as well as its chipset business that makes the
firm such a good fit with AMD.

The ATI team will play and key role in the joint future of the company
he said, adding he was confident that the companies and their
respective cultures would integrate well together, their products
having occupied "adjacent real-estate on motherboards" for so long.

The executives, Ruiz and ATI CEO Dave Orton, along with Dirk Meyer and
chief AMD bean counter Bob Rivet were agreed the deal would provide
better value to customers and shareholders in both companies. Bob said
the merged company would be better positioned to achieve AMD's stated
objective to "break the monopoly".

AMD's customers had been insisting AMD play a bigger role in the
"eco-system" of its mobility and consumer electronics marketplaces,
said Meyer.

He said he expected the PC to continue to play a central role in both
the business environment and the home, suggesting that "non-general
purpose" processing units such as GPUs would be integrated into
computing platforms much like the floating point co-processor had
disappeared over the past ten to fifteen years.

Dave Orton confessed to being as excited as anyone. Be said the
combined company would be able to look beyond the CPU, GPU and chipset
landscapes and increase its penetration into enterprise, mobile
computing and consumer electronics sectors.

"AMD has great CPUs, we have great GPUs," he said. He reckoned the next
stage for the merged company would be to integrate its offerings,
combining two or more products to create devices that improve on the
sum of their two parts.

The new company will achieve "cost synergies" worth $75 million by the
end of 2007, increasing to $125 million by the end of 2008. By then the
company will be well into its "integration plan", more details on which
it promised to deliver soon.

The company expects to lose ATI revenues from it work on Intel
platforms which bean-counting Bob said was worth about $100 million per
quarter, a loss Ruiz is confident the company will make up for.

Dave Orton said ATI would continue to deliver Intel chipsets for as
long as its customer wanted it to.
 
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EDM

Quaestor said:
I just want to know, does this mean I will have to go with intel to keep
using nvidia?

With Conroe being the platform of choice for the foreseeable
future, a better question is, why would you want to go with
AMD in the first place?

If ATI's shareholders approve this, they have rocks for brains.
 
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shegeek72

AirRaid said:
http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33230

Intel in the crosshairs, as execs explain themselves

By Paul Hales: Monday 24 July 2006, 14:31
BEST MATES AMD and ATI held a conference call today in which the
companies' biggest cheeses sought justify their new cohabitation.

But will they get rid of the stupid and outdated .Net requirement to
d/l ATI drivers? I know they can be downloaded from other websites, but
I didn't find out about that until after hours of frustration trying to
download drivers from the ATI website and no response from ATI tech
support, and I'm sure many others aren't aware of it. I've swtiched to
nVidia because of it and it'll take a lot to get me to switch back.

SG
 
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Benjamin Gawert

* shegeek72:
But will they get rid of the stupid and outdated .Net requirement to
d/l ATI drivers?

What problems do you have with .NET?
I know they can be downloaded from other websites, but
I didn't find out about that until after hours of frustration trying to
download drivers from the ATI website and no response from ATI tech
support, and I'm sure many others aren't aware of it. I've swtiched to
nVidia because of it and it'll take a lot to get me to switch back.

Switching gfx cards just to avoid .NET is just plain silly...

Benjamin
 
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GrispernMix

I just want to know, does this mean I will have to go with intel to keep
using nvidia?

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Actually i think it means you will have to stay with amd to keep ati,
you gotta get amd, and vice versa with intel,

I think its going to be monumental move, if at least intel merges with
nvidia, and then it will be a battle of the titans, in which i think it
will be the same thing that has been happening before(intel does
something and amd tries to one up them and vice versa) just now it will
be on a larger scale. With one more variable to consider.

http://grispernmix.googlepages.com/crysispreview
 
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Master Baiter

shegeek72 said:
But will they get rid of the stupid and outdated .Net requirement to
d/l ATI drivers? I know they can be downloaded from other websites, but
I didn't find out about that until after hours of frustration trying to
download drivers from the ATI website and no response from ATI tech
support, and I'm sure many others aren't aware of it. I've swtiched to
nVidia because of it and it'll take a lot to get me to switch back.

FYI, if you choose to download only the display driver (in their "For slower
connection" part), you don't need that stinking .NET thing. The .NET
requirement only apply to the useless control center.
 
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HockeyTownUSA

EDM said:
With Conroe being the platform of choice for the foreseeable
future, a better question is, why would you want to go with
AMD in the first place?

If ATI's shareholders approve this, they have rocks for brains.

Why is Intel the platform of choice? While I agree it seems they have the
performance crown for now, AMD is still a good bargain, and will probably be
cheaper than an equivalent Intel counterpart so AMD will win the
price/performance war. I just picked up an AM2 4600+ for $249 shipped to my
door.

The thing that boggles my mind is that AMD opted to ditch the 1MB L2 Cache
versions in favor of the 512KB. While I know this will just simplify the
product line, and the 1MB cache gave marginal increases in speed, if nothing
else, for marketing reasons, 1MB still looks better than 512KB when compared
with Conroe's 2MB and 4MB cache. I know AMD did it for cost reasons, but not
sure if it was a very wise choice.

Anyhow, guess I'll have to live with the "underdog" for a couple years now
that I've got it. ;)
 
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magnate

Benjamin said:
* shegeek72:


What problems do you have with .NET?


Switching gfx cards just to avoid .NET is just plain silly...

No, no it isn't. People switch their entire OS to avoid .NET - some of
us would happily switch our entire house.

CC
 
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Clay Cahill

Actually i think it means you will have to stay with amd to keep ati,
you gotta get amd, and vice versa with intel,

Nope. NOt so far. AMD has made a point to say that they wouldn't do
anything to cause their products problems (like make crossfire not
work on Intel chipsets)
I think its going to be monumental move, if at least intel merges with
nvidia, and then it will be a battle of the titans,

Never happen (IMO). Intel has no need for chipset design & foundry
(which is what AMD's move was partly motivated by) & NVidia now sees a
clear playing field for the super lucrative high end market that they
already excel in.


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Standard Disclaimer:
My Employer gives my internet access, but I don't speak for them...
So blame me for saying something dumb, not them.

I'm Clay Cahill, and I approve this post.
 
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Clay Cahill

Why is Intel the platform of choice? While I agree it seems they have the
performance crown for now, AMD is still a good bargain, and will probably be
cheaper than an equivalent Intel counterpart so AMD will win the
price/performance war.

Huh?
FX-62: $877.98,
Core 2 Duo E6600 (2.40GHz) $316
I just picked up an AM2 4600+ for $249 shipped to my
door.

Sure. & AMD is supposed to announce another price cut as well (though
they will be hard pressed to keep margins over %5), so they DO compete
well in that 4600 vs E6400 space, I guess... though with the 6600
trumping AMD's flagship for less than half the price, I'm not sure how
big that N-1 market will be for the next year or so.


--
Standard Disclaimer:
My Employer gives my internet access, but I don't speak for them...
So blame me for saying something dumb, not them.

I'm Clay Cahill, and I approve this post.
 
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Ed Forsythe

Once again, what's youz guyz problem with ,Net? - he asked with a pronounced
Brooklyn accent.

Master Baiter said:
shegeek72 said:
But will they get rid of the stupid and outdated .Net requirement to
d/l ATI drivers? I know they can be downloaded from other websites, but
I didn't find out about that until after hours of frustration trying to
download drivers from the ATI website and no response from ATI tech
support, and I'm sure many others aren't aware of it. I've swtiched to
nVidia because of it and it'll take a lot to get me to switch back.

FYI, if you choose to download only the display driver (in their "For
slower connection" part), you don't need that stinking .NET thing. The
.NET requirement only apply to the useless control center.
 
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Benjamin Gawert

* magnate:
No, no it isn't. People switch their entire OS to avoid .NET - some of
us would happily switch our entire house.

And the reason is?

Benjamin
 
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Man-wai Chang

Ed said:
Once again, what's youz guyz problem with ,Net? - he asked with a pronounced
Brooklyn accent.

I am really puzzled when I learnt that a hardware driver would have
something to do with .Net...

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Clay Cahill

I am really puzzled when I learnt that a hardware driver would have
something to do with .Net...

I beleive that the driver itself doesn't so if you simply install just
the driver (the low bandwidth download, or dial up download or
something like that) and not the fancy applets, you'll be fine. It's
the applets and the way they take advantage of some of the new aspx
calls.



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My Employer gives my internet access, but I don't speak for them...
So blame me for saying something dumb, not them.

Clay Cahill 2006

"I would just like to say that after all these years of heavy drinking, bright lights and late
nights, I still don't need glasses. I drink right out of the bottle." - David Lee Roth
 

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