MeaserkiteAftermarketInk.com - We only sell Formulabs ink!!! (A serious business proposal. No Lie!

[theory4debate]

Dear Measerkite,

After I researched for hours and days....you have to agree that there
are enough people that believe Formulabs ink is probably near OEM
quality. Regarding the negative opinions from end-users, I discount
these because you have to question......1. Did the end-user use
genuine Formulabs ink? (A possible lie from the retailer) 2. Did the
end-user use the ink in the correct printer model? (A possible mistake
by either party.) 3. Was some item contaminated? (A possibly cartridge/
syringe/bottle that contained left-over poor quality ink.) 4. Was
the Formulabs ink expired? (A possible undisclosed information.) 5.
Did the end-user use quality paper? (Quality paper is just as
important as quality ink.)

I understand your frustration with after-market ink. The end-user is
unsure of what product they are purchasing. After all, so many after-
market retailers refuse to disclose who formulated their ink. I went
to the internet, and could only find 1 retailer that advertised they
sell some products with Formulabs ink. (However, since this retailer
did not exclusively sell Formulabs ink, this leaves the possibility of
their untrained staff mixing-up their ink brands.) It's an unusual
paradox.....people that want Formulabs ink, don't know where to buy
it. I know customers can go to formulabs.com to purchase the ink
directly, but the size they sell is to big for an end-user.

Stan's business proposal - Why don't you start the only company that
exclusively sells Formulabs ink product for end-user. (I promise I
will be your first customer.) It's such a easy business to start.
You buy the ink in bulk from formulabs.com, repackage it in smaller
bottles, use Ebay to sell it, and finally use PayPal to collect the
money & ship the product. You don't even need to leave your house,
the whole thing can be done as a home-based business. Also, since you
love this topic, you get paid for doing a hobby. You don't even need
to make instructions, there are free instructions all over the
internet.

Stan's marketing proposal - Since you are the most famous anti-
aftermarket advocate in the world, you need to use your name as your
strength. People will trust you automatically, after all, if
somebody typed in "Measerkite" in a search engine, they can find years
of 'internet post' to prove you hated after-market ink because it
didn't meet your standard. Then when you finally found the a product
that meet the 'Measerkite standard', you supported it so much you
started your own store.

THEORY: Since you are never going to change everybody's mind on using
after-market ink, you should just make money off them. I'm serious
about this. If you don't use this ideal, I'm going to post it in the
home-based business bulletin board.


Stan

PS. After this research, I actually considered opening an exclusive
Formulabs ink store myself. However, I don't have the passion and the
time for this. I know you have the passion and experience from all
your post in the past. I also know you have the time, since you spend
so many hours a week posting stuff on the internet. (My new theory on
you is that you are rich and retired, and your #1 retirement hobby is
surfing the internet.)

PSS. It's ironic, if you actually follow through this business
proposal, all your former critics will actually be your biggest
supporters.

PSSS. Another reason I want you to start this business is because
'ink jet refill kits' are more environmentally friendly, and end-user
really should have the freedom of choose: to buy OEM or non-OEM.

PSSSS. There's already a internet store that exclusively sells image-
specialist ink. They will be your main competitor.

PSSSSS. Some people will disagree that this post should not be posted
on comp.periphs.printers. I'm sorry, buy my logic is I don't know
where else to post it because I still need help in locating a store
that sells exclusively Formulabs ink for the end-user.

 

[Branwynn]

(e-mail address removed) wrote in @a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com:

Dear Measerkite,

After I researched for hours and days....you have to agree that there

is little chance that this message wasn't generated by Measekite. Look,
Measekite, if you really want to try aftermarket ink just do it and shut
up. There's no need to create these Moe, Shemp and Larry-type characters
who all sound like they dropped out of Grade School. No one here with
even a fried brain will respond to any of them. Quite see-through, amigo.

 

[Burt]

(snipped lots of stuff addressed to Measekite)
Stan - 1) Alotofthings identifies Formulabs ink by name and sells it in
various quantities for refilling 2) MK hasn't included in his more recent
rants the fact that he won't deal with anything related to ebay 3) Because
of his years of nonsense no one here would order ink from him if he gave it
away free! 3) In addition to MIS and Computer friends who are reputed to
sell Image Specialist inks there is one participant on the Nifty Forum that
identifies the ink he sells as Image Specialist ink. The link is
http://home.eol.ca/~mikling/. You either contact him through the web site
or go onto ebay to his site and buy ink there. If your work through the web
site you can buy different quantities than will come in a kit. By the way,
this participant never inserts any sales messages on the forum, and he is
great at assisting people with their printer and ink problems. In his
profile he does let it be known that he sells these inks. Even though he is
in the ink business, he is a very valuable asset to the group.

I hate to say it, but in my opinion you are absolutely barking up the wrong
tree. There are reputable online vendors who sell quality products
refillers can use. From the reports I've read about Hobbicolors inks I
would say they are also decent quality products as well. No one who uses
them and is happy with them really cares what the origin of these inks is as
long as the product is uniformly good, order after order. A year and a half
ago I saw the ip5000 printer on a closeout sale for $100. I bought two for
me (one for my wife and one to leave in the sealed box on the shelf for when
my to i960 printers die) and one for a friend. I set him up for refilling
with a Hobbicolors kit. He has used their ink for a year and a half now
without any problems. I've seen the quality of output and it is quite good.

 

[Frank]

Measerkite,wrote:


----deleted most ridiculous diatribe yet from meashershithead----

You are one seriously sick idiot!
Get help now!!!
Frank

 

[TJ]

After I researched for hours and days....you have to agree that there
are enough people that believe Formulabs ink is probably near OEM
quality. Regarding the negative opinions from end-users, I discount
these because you have to question......1. Did the end-user use
genuine Formulabs ink? (A possible lie from the retailer) 2. Did the
end-user use the ink in the correct printer model? (A possible mistake
by either party.) 3. Was some item contaminated? (A possibly cartridge/
syringe/bottle that contained left-over poor quality ink.) 4. Was
the Formulabs ink expired? (A possible undisclosed information.) 5.
Did the end-user use quality paper? (Quality paper is just as
important as quality ink.)

Stan, you have a lot to learn about data analysis. Nos. 1-5 above are
simply rationalizations for throwing out data that don't fit your
theory. It doesn't work that way. Oh, you can throw out a data point or
two that are wildly aberrant, say...less than 2% of your data. For
example, if one guy says the ink clogged his printer, faded in two
hours, and poisoned his dog, it would probably be all right to throw
that one out. However, if somebody says the ink is 100 times better
quality than OEM, produces photo-quality results in draft mode, and
makes a good touch-up paint for his car, you should throw that one out, too.

A good scientist adjusts his theories to fit the data - *ALL* the data.
He doesn't adjust the data to fit his theories. Measekite is a data
adjuster. He accepts as absolute truth reviews and studies done by
magazines and labs like Wilhelm, even when they don't test the
better-quality aftermarket inks - and rejects all personal experiences
expressed here that disagree with those sources, no matter how extensive
those experiences might be.

Measekite draws his conclusions from incomplete and insufficient data.
Don't fall into the same trap.

TJ

 

[measekite]

Dear Measerkite,

After I researched for hours and days....you have to agree that there
are enough people that believe Formulabs ink is probably near OEM
quality. Regarding the negative opinions from end-users, I discount
these because you have to question......1. Did the end-user use
genuine Formulabs ink? (A possible lie from the retailer) 2. Did the
end-user use the ink in the correct printer model? (A possible mistake
by either party.) 3. Was some item contaminated? (A possibly cartridge/
syringe/bottle that contained left-over poor quality ink.) 4. Was
the Formulabs ink expired? (A possible undisclosed information.) 5.
Did the end-user use quality paper? (Quality paper is just as
important as quality ink.)

The only thing I have heard is that Formulabs ink appears better than
other generic ink but not at the level of OEM. That relates to quality
of results and not to fadability. Wilhelm Labs test results likes Epson
pigmented ink as the longest lasting but not as vivid and eye catching
as either Epson or Canon dye based ink. And Canon dye based ink
starting with their CL8 is improving. Formulabs has a bad batch of
magenta a while back that cause a lot of problems. You cannot buy it in
prefilled carts since they will not ship it with their name on it and
the relabelers will not tell you what you are getting. The relabelers
is the biggest problem in this industry.

I understand your frustration with after-market ink. The end-user is
unsure of what product they are purchasing.

Add consistency to that as well.

After all, so many after-
market retailers refuse to disclose who formulated their ink. I went
to the internet, and could only find 1 retailer that advertised they
sell some products with Formulabs ink. (However, since this retailer
did not exclusively sell Formulabs ink,

And when they do they do not do it prominently.

this leaves the possibility of
their untrained staff mixing-up their ink brands.) It's an unusual
paradox.....people that want Formulabs ink, don't know where to buy
it. I know customers can go to formulabs.com to purchase the ink
directly, but the size they sell is to big for an end-user.

That is correct. You are finding out through your research what I found
out a while ago. But when I published my results there was an uproar in
this ng. It was like I either struck a nerve or they felt an arrow in
their pocket book. I just know there are so many relabeler associates
under different and multiple names stirring the pot here. I just want
people to know what is being hidden here. Remeember using generic ink
will only pay off if your printload is high, your printhead does not
clog, your photos do not fade, and your supplier does not keep changing
their source. Also refilling is a messy time consuming pain so I would
think inexpensive prefilled carts is a way to go but now you have the
chipped carts that do not show you when empty so you have another issues
that can cause you to damage the printer. And if the ink causes harm to
the printer the warranty is void.

Stan's business proposal - Why don't you start the only company that
exclusively sells Formulabs ink product for end-user. (I promise I
will be your first customer.) It's such a easy business to start.
You buy the ink in bulk from formulabs.com, repackage it in smaller
bottles, use Ebay to sell it, and finally use PayPal to collect the
money & ship the product.

I have not desire to use Ebay or PayPal. It is known that there have
been many security breaches with PayPal and they have been a target for
pisherman as well. Not even having your own website makes one appear as
a bigger fly by night as some others.

You don't even need to leave your house,
the whole thing can be done as a home-based business. Also, since you
love this topic, you get paid for doing a hobby. You don't even need
to make instructions, there are free instructions all over the
internet.

Stan's marketing proposal - Since you are the most famous anti-
aftermarket advocate in the world, you need to use your name as your
strength. People will trust you automatically, after all, if
somebody typed in "Measerkite" in a search engine, they can find years
of 'internet post' to prove you hated after-market ink because it
didn't meet your standard. Then when you finally found the a product
that meet the 'Measerkite standard', you supported it so much you
started your own store.

THEORY: Since you are never going to change everybody's mind on using
after-market ink, you should just make money off them. I'm serious
about this. If you don't use this ideal, I'm going to post it in the
home-based business bulletin board.

I do not care about changing anybody's mind. I want them to be
informed. If someone said that I am aware there is a greater risk of a
clog. And they said that I do not especially like dealing with a (just
a ) webstore that repackages and renames and does not disclose what they
are selling. And the quality varies and is not as good as OEM but good
enough for my needs. And does not have the longevity but I do not
care. And my printload is high enough to make the savings worth while.
If this is the case then they appear to have the knowledge and
justification to use it. But the holier than thou do not want to admit
that.

Stan

PS. After this research, I actually considered opening an exclusive
Formulabs ink store myself. However, I don't have the passion and the
time for this. I know you have the passion and experience from all
your post in the past.

I do not need the money nor do I want the headache. Also compared to
OEM ink it is just a tiny market.

I also know you have the time, since you spend
so many hours a week posting stuff on the internet. (My new theory on
you is that you are rich and retired, and your #1 retirement hobby is
surfing the internet.)

Now I thought you were smart. First you said I worked for Canon. Now
you say I am retired. Then you say I am rich.

PSS. It's ironic, if you actually follow through this business
proposal, all your former critics will actually be your biggest
supporters.

PSSS. Another reason I want you to start this business is because
'ink jet refill kits' are more environmentally friendly, and end-user
really should have the freedom of choose: to buy OEM or non-OEM.

PSSSS. There's already a internet store that exclusively sells image-
specialist ink. They will be your main competitor.

Since they will not admit that you do not really know.

PSSSSS. Some people will disagree that this post should not be posted
on comp.periphs.printers. I'm sorry, buy my logic is I don't know
where else to post it because I still need help in locating a store
that sells exclusively Formulabs ink for the end-user.

Here is what you do. Find others like you on this ng and start a buying
club to share the large Sensinent quantities you have to buy. Now
refilling is a mess. Prefilled Formulabs carts would be the best way to
go. But OEM is still better as to quality and longevity. And then
there is the subject of profiles.

 

[theory4debate]

Burt,

you wrote....
"Stan - 1) Alotofthings identifies Formulabs ink by name and sells it
in
various quantities for refilling 2) MK hasn't included in his more
recent
rants the fact that he won't deal with anything related to ebay 3)
Because
of his years of nonsense no one here would order ink from him if he
gave it
away free! 3) In addition to MIS and Computer friends who are reputed
to
sell Image Specialist inks there is one participant on the Nifty Forum
that
identifies the ink he sells as Image Specialist ink. "

Wow, I didn't know there was 3 retailers that specialize in Image
Specialist ink. I'm glad to hear that, I would consider that as fair
competition in the open market.

However regarding Formulabs retailers......it's strange that after all
these years there still only 1 retailer that admits to selling
Formulabs. I think we need more so the consumer can have the freedom
to shop.

Burt wrote............
"I hate to say it, but in my opinion you are absolutely barking up the
wrong
tree. There are reputable online vendors who sell quality products
refillers can use. From the reports I've read about Hobbicolors inks"

Regarding this statement.......I have a question. Before I ask the
question, I just wanted to let you know that I have read all your
previous post again, and so far I feel that you are honest in
everything you say.

My question now is....Do you agree that all the after-market
retailers that sell high quality stuff are only purchasing from the
two formulator sources: Image Specialist and Formulabs? It's
important to me because I really want more competition in this field.
I plan to move my posting to 'Home-Based Business" and hope that there
will be more people that start this business. However, I want to make
sure that in my posting, I mention all the reputable sources for ink
formulators.

Regarding Hobbicolors....I think they actually buy from either Image
Specialist or Formulabs.

Thanks,
Stan

 

[theory4debate]

TJ,

Here is a response to your letter.....

Stan, you have a lot to learn about data analysis. Nos. 1-5 above are
simply rationalizations for throwing out data that don't fit your
theory. It doesn't work that way. Oh, you can throw out a data point or
two that are wildly aberrant, say...less than 2% of your data. For
example, if one guy says the ink clogged his printer, faded in two
hours, and poisoned his dog, it would probably be all right to throw
that one out. However, if somebody says the ink is 100 times better
quality than OEM, produces photo-quality results in draft mode, and
makes a good touch-up paint for his car, you should throw that one out, too.

Overall the stuff I read, it appears that there are more 'positive'
articles then negative articles on Formulabs. So that's why I had to
come out with the theory Nos. 1-5 in hoping to explain...Why the
inconsistent data? Also, that's the reason I'm using user name
theory4date instead of facts2opinion. Since this is only a theory and
not a fact.

A good scientist adjusts his theories to fit the data - *ALL* the data.
He doesn't adjust the data to fit his theories. Measekite is a data
adjuster. He accepts as absolute truth reviews and studies done by
magazines and labs like Wilhelm, even when they don't test the
better-quality aftermarket inks - and rejects all personal experiences
expressed here that disagree with those sources, no matter how extensive
those experiences might be.

Your right. I pretty much am 99% in agreement with Consumer Reports.
However, their study with after-market ink is one of the few times I
DISAGREE with them. Consumer Reports never tested Formulabs or Image
Specialist. I bet you if they tested the quality of these 2 inks,
they would of wrote a positive article on "Why people should consider
refilling ink jet cartridges?"

Stan
PS. There's 2 post that are irrelevant to this subject. I'm ignoring
them and not responding. I hope that shows that I'm serious in my
previous posted apology.

 

[Frank]

My question now is....Do you agree that all the after-market
retailers that sell high quality stuff are only purchasing from the
two formulator sources: Image Specialist and Formulabs?

Who cares?

It's

important to me because I really want more competition in this field.

What! Why? You only have an old ip4000. You have never ever used after
market inks. Why start now?

I plan to move my posting to 'Home-Based Business" and hope that there
will be more people that start this business.

Why...what are you trying to sell them?


However, I want to make

sure that in my posting, I mention all the reputable sources for ink
formulators.

Unless you use their inks, you won't really know.

Regarding Hobbicolors....I think they actually buy from either Image
Specialist or Formulabs.

Who cares?
Frank

 

[Frank]

measekite wrote:

The only thing I have heard is that Formulabs ink appears better than
other generic ink but not at the level of OEM.

You heard? Oh give me a break. You don't gives a rats ass about after
market inks. We've got just about 4 years of your ignorant stupid rants
against them and your "use only oem inks" diatribe.
Who do you think you're fooling, huh?
End users don't care who manufacturers the ink as long as the results
meet their expectations. You've never, ever used after market inks by
your own admission. You have no end user experience at all. So please,
take your so-called "research" and shove it where the sun don't shine
cause it's worthless.
Frank

 

[measekite]

Burt,

you wrote....
"Stan - 1) Alotofthings identifies Formulabs ink by name and sells it
in

Not very prominently. And they do not say what is in their prefilled carts.

various quantities for refilling 2) MK hasn't included in his more
recent
rants the fact that he won't deal with anything related to ebay 3)
Because
of his years of nonsense no one here would order ink from him if he
gave it
away free! 3) In addition to MIS and Computer friends who are reputed
to
sell Image Specialist inks there is one participant on the Nifty Forum
that
identifies the ink he sells as Image Specialist ink. "

Wow, I didn't know there was 3 retailers that specialize in Image
Specialist ink

Nobody knows that. Call up the Vendor and ask them. Look at their
website and see what they are selling. No public disclosure means you
cannot rely on what they are selling.

. I'm glad to hear that, I would consider that as fair
competition in the open market.

However regarding Formulabs retailers......it's strange that after all
these years there still only 1 retailer that admits to selling
Formulabs. I think we need more so the consumer can have the freedom
to shop.

Do you honestly thing Sensinent could exist with only one customer. Are
you getting the picture yet?

Burt wrote............
"I hate to say it, but in my opinion you are absolutely barking up the
wrong
tree. There are reputable online vendors who sell quality products
refillers can use. From the reports I've read about Hobbicolors inks"

Regarding this statement.......I have a question. Before I ask the
question, I just wanted to let you know that I have read all your
previous post again, and so far I feel that you are honest in
everything you say.

My question now is....Do you agree that all the after-market
retailers that sell high quality stuff are only purchasing from the
two formulator sources: Image Specialist and Formulabs? It's
important to me because I really want more competition in this field.
I plan to move my posting to 'Home-Based Business" and hope that there
will be more people that start this business. However, I want to make
sure that in my posting, I mention all the reputable sources for ink
formulators.

Regarding Hobbicolors....I think they actually buy from either Image
Specialist or Formulabs.

I would like you to call them up and ask them and then report back.

 

[measekite]

[email protected] wrote:

TJ, Here is a response to your letter.....



Stan, you have a lot to learn about data analysis. Nos. 1-5 above are simply rationalizations for throwing out data that don't fit your theory. It doesn't work that way. Oh, you can throw out a data point or two that are wildly aberrant, say...less than 2% of your data. For example, if one guy says the ink clogged his printer, faded in two hours, and poisoned his dog, it would probably be all right to throw that one out. However, if somebody says the ink is 100 times better quality than OEM, produces photo-quality results in draft mode, and makes a good touch-up paint for his car, you should throw that one out, too.



Overall the stuff I read, it appears that there are more 'positive' articles then negative articles on Formulabs. So that's why I had to come out with the theory Nos. 1-5 in hoping to explain...Why the inconsistent data? Also, that's the reason I'm using user name theory4date instead of facts2opinion. Since this is only a theory and not a fact.



A good scientist adjusts his theories to fit the data - *ALL* the data. He doesn't adjust the data to fit his theories. Measekite is a data adjuster. He accepts as absolute truth reviews and studies done by magazines and labs like Wilhelm, even when they don't test the better-quality aftermarket inks - and rejects all personal experiences expressed here that disagree with those sources, no matter how extensive those experiences might be.



Your right. I pretty much am 99% in agreement with Consumer Reports. However, their study with after-market ink is one of the few times I DISAGREE with them. Consumer Reports never tested Formulabs or Image Specialist.


The article I read did not tell who the actual formulators were so how do you know what they tested.


I bet you if they tested the quality of these 2 inks, they would of wrote a positive article on "Why people should consider refilling ink jet cartridges?" Stan PS. There's 2 post that are irrelevant to this subject. I'm ignoring them and not responding. I hope that shows that I'm serious in my previous posted apology.

 

[theory4debate]

Measekite,
Here is a response to your letter......

You cannot buy it in
prefilled carts since they will not ship it with their name on it and
the relabelers will not tell you what you are getting. The relabelers
is the biggest problem in this industry.

I wouldn't buy prefilled carts anyway. When Consumer Reports tested
prefilled, their conclusion was "it wasn't much of a money saver if
you calculate per photo cost." I'm only referring to ink refill kits.

That is correct. You are finding out through your research what I found
out a while ago. But when I published my results there was an uproar in
this ng. It was like I either struck a nerve or they felt an arrow in
their pocket book.

Can you give me a link to your published research. I really want to
read it. thanks.

I just know there are so many relabeler associates
under different and multiple names stirring the pot here. I just want
people to know what is being hidden here.

I was planning to do that also. However, I don't think there are that
many. After so many hours I could only find Frank and Hobbicolors
association.

Remeember using generic ink
will only pay off if your printload is high, your printhead does not
clog, your photos do not fade, and your supplier does not keep changing
their source.

Your right about the retailer changing their source.

Also refilling is a messy time consuming pain

Your right. However, there's the option of one-time CIS.

I have not desire to use Ebay or PayPal. It is known that there have
been many security breaches with PayPal and they have been a target for
pisherman as well. Not even having your own website makes one appear as
a bigger fly by night as some others.

I do not care about changing anybody's mind. I want them to be
informed.

I agree with you on just "informing". That's why I wrote the article
on Kodak and Dataproducts.

I do not need the money nor do I want the headache. Also compared to
OEM ink it is just a tiny market.

I forgot to tell you that I've been tracking the sales of hobbicolors
on ebay. Since you mentioned this.....I went to look at my results.
You're right, there isn't that much money to be made. Hobbicolors
only advertise 10 items on ebay. The last 2 days then haven't even
sold 1 item.

Now I thought you were smart. First you said I worked for Canon. Now
you say I am retired. Then you say I am rich.

These are just theories. Anyway, if you just told me, then you don't
have to keep me guessing.

Here is what you do. Find others like you on this ng and start a buying
club to share the large Sensinent quantities you have to buy. Now
refilling is a mess. Prefilled Formulabs carts would be the best way to
go. But OEM is still better as to quality and longevity. And then
there is the subject of profiles.

I take that as a "NO" in starting your own business. However, I'm not
going to give up yet. I will move my posting to Home-Based business
and hopefully I can convince some people that we need more retailer
(who admit who formulated their ink) in this market. I believe these
retailer are making their biggest marketing mistake. Imagine Wal*Mart
purchasing Sony televisions, then removing the Sony brand, and
reselling it with a Wal*Mart brand? The reputable retailers will buy
the best after-market ink formulator, however they won't admit on
selling it.


Stan

 

[Frank]

measekite wrote:

Nobody knows that. Call up the Vendor and ask them. Look at their
website and see what they are selling. No public disclosure means you
cannot rely on what they are selling.

That's a crock of crap! Who cares as long as the results are what the
purchaser wants.
Oh the other hand, please don't try and make us think you care.
Hell you don't ever use after market ink.
Your opinion ion is worthless!
So STFU!!!
Frank

 

[Frank]

Can you give me a link to your published research. I really want to
read it. thanks.

hehehe...Published research??? Meashershithead has published research on
after market inks?
I'm laughing so hard I fell on the floor and almost hurt myself!!!
That moron couldn't find his own ass using both hands with the lights
turned on.
Stop this charade right now!
Enough is enough already.
Frank

 

[Burt]

wrote lots of questions

I don't know how many formulators there are in the US or in the world. I
recall one other vendor who stated which mfgr's ink they used. There must
be a zillion vendors and you have all the competition you could ask for. If
you want these specific products, however, I've mentioned the ones of which
I am aware. I repeat, Computer Friends and MIS are presumed to sell Image
Specialist inks. MIS is listed as one of IS's customers, but MIS may use
several formulators, depending on the printer, printer mfgr, etc. I don't
really much care as the products I've mentioned have good reports from
several participants here and on the Nifty forum. In addition, no matter
which of the products you select, the pricing may be different, but the
amount of savings over OEM ink (I only know about Canon) eclipses any
difference between these vendors!

 

[theory4debate]

Burt,

Thanks for your information regarding the world of in of formulators.
I remember learning this thing called 'Quarter Courtesy." Basically
when a kid is to young to drive, and their friend's parent offer them
a ride, they are suppose to give them 1 quarter to show appreciation.
These days with inflation they should change it to a 'thank you
dollar." Well to show my appreciation, the best I could do is rate
your answer with a 5 star to say thanks. If there was a icon next to
your name and it stated, "Send a Thank You Dollar" I would for sure
hit that button.

thanks,
stan

ps. I haven't responded to any post that are not relevant to the
subject from troll poster. (I don't even know if I'm using the term
'troll' correctly, I just used that term because somebody call me that
when I was being a idiot.) You're right, this troll is getting off my
back slowly, I just wish it was faster. Thanks for your wisdom.

 

[TJ]

ps. I haven't responded to any post that are not relevant to the
subject from troll poster. (I don't even know if I'm using the term
'troll' correctly, I just used that term because somebody call me that
when I was being a idiot.) You're right, this troll is getting off my
back slowly, I just wish it was faster. Thanks for your wisdom.

The trolls will go away quicker if you stop assuring us that you aren't
responding to them. Those of us who don't have you killfiled can see
that, and those who do won't see your assurance, anyway. It's a waste of
effort.

TJ

 

[Arthur Entlich]

I cannot comment as to if Formulabs are an example, but some of the
better ink formulators have licensing agreements which restrict the
naming of the manufacturer of the inks used in 3rd party cartridges.

They do so for a number of reasons. In some cases, they produce the OEM
inks, and the OEM doesn't want the 3rd party manufacturers from being
able to advertise the fact that the inks are coming from the same source
(even if their formulations might be slightly different). In other
cases, since 3rd party ink companies may sell the inks at considerably
differing prices, to prevent price wars the manufacturer of the ink
doesn't want consumers to be able to know who is selling their inks and
do price comparisons. Further still, some formularies may not allow
their names to be mentioned because the 3rd party ink distributor takes
full liability for any mishaps with the ink and the end user's printer.

What I am getting at is there are a number of reasons in the ink
industry for the source manufacturer not to wish their name be included
on the retail products, and it is not necessarily because they wish to
hide the ink used because of QC issues.


Art

 

[theory4debate]

Arthur Entlich,

Here is a response to your comments....

I cannot comment as to if Formulabs are an example, but some of the
better ink formulators have licensing agreements which restrict the
naming of the manufacturer of the inks used in 3rd party cartridges.

Wow, I didn't know there could be licensing agreements. That never
crossed my mine.

They do so for a number of reasons. In some cases, they produce the OEM
inks, and the OEM doesn't want the 3rd party manufacturers from being
able to advertise the fact that the inks are coming from the same source.

I did read a few articles of the Epson or HP sueing after-market for
patent infringements.

Further still, some formularies may not allow
their names to be mentioned because the 3rd party ink distributor takes
full liability for any mishaps with the ink and the end user's printer.

Good point. Your comments bring up a lot more questions for me to
ponder. Thanks I appreciate your time.

Stan