license issue with Virtual PC

Discussion in 'Windows XP General' started by Robbo, Oct 30, 2006.

  1. Robbo

    Robbo Guest

    I have installed Microsoft Virtual PC. I installed Windows XP pro on a
    created virtual machine& virtual disk.

    Is it OK to install and activate the same copy of original Windows XP Pro on
    the same machine but under Virtual PC ? Can I use the same copy/key or
    should I buy another copy just for Virtual PC sessions?

    --
    rb
     
    Robbo, Oct 30, 2006
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  2. Robbo

    Malke Guest

    Robbo wrote:

    > I have installed Microsoft Virtual PC. I installed Windows XP pro on a
    > created virtual machine& virtual disk.
    >
    > Is it OK to install and activate the same copy of original Windows XP
    > Pro on the same machine but under Virtual PC ? Can I use the same
    > copy/key or should I buy another copy just for Virtual PC sessions?
    >


    No. Operating systems that you install on Virtual PC are real operating
    systems - it isn't any different than installing them on separate
    computers. You must have a license for each operating system you
    install, so to answer your question directly - you will need to buy
    another copy of XP just for Virtual PC.

    Malke
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    Malke, Oct 30, 2006
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  3. Robbo

    arachnid Guest

    On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:20:49 -0800, Malke wrote:

    > Robbo wrote:
    >
    >> I have installed Microsoft Virtual PC. I installed Windows XP pro on a
    >> created virtual machine& virtual disk.
    >>
    >> Is it OK to install and activate the same copy of original Windows XP
    >> Pro on the same machine but under Virtual PC ? Can I use the same
    >> copy/key or should I buy another copy just for Virtual PC sessions?
    >>
    >>

    > No. Operating systems that you install on Virtual PC are real operating
    > systems - it isn't any different than installing them on separate
    > computers. You must have a license for each operating system you install,
    > so to answer your question directly - you will need to buy another copy of
    > XP just for Virtual PC.


    I was about to disagree with you because the XP EULA doesn't say anything
    about VM's. But then I reread it:

    "You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Product on
    a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
    ("Workstation Computer"). The Product may not be used by more than two
    (2) processors at any one time on any single Workstation Computer."

    Although it says nothing about VM's being treated as physical machines
    for licensing purposes, it's pretty explicit that you can only "install,
    use, access, display, and run one copy...".
     
    arachnid, Oct 30, 2006
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  4. Robbo wrote:
    > I have installed Microsoft Virtual PC. I installed Windows XP pro on a
    > created virtual machine& virtual disk.
    >
    > Is it OK to install and activate the same copy of original Windows XP
    > Pro on the same machine but under Virtual PC ? Can I use the same
    > copy/key or should I buy another copy just for Virtual PC sessions?
    >



    According to the EULA, no, you can't:

    "Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly provided in this
    EULA, you may install, use, access, display and run only one (1) copy of
    the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER."

    In the scenario you describe, you'd have at least two copies
    installed *and* running simultaneously.


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    Bruce Chambers, Oct 31, 2006
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  5. On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:25:26 +0100, "Robbo" <>
    wrote:

    >I have installed Microsoft Virtual PC. I installed Windows XP pro on a
    >created virtual machine& virtual disk.
    >
    >Is it OK to install and activate the same copy of original Windows XP Pro on
    >the same machine but under Virtual PC ? Can I use the same copy/key or
    >should I buy another copy just for Virtual PC sessions?
    >
    >--
    >rb


    Of course it is okay. Only greedy Americans with Microsoft stock would
    say otherwise. The computer is HARDWARE, a Virtual Computer is NOT
    another machine (even thought it is programmed to behave like one), it
    uses the very same CPU and the very same bus, the very same video
    monitor etcetera.
    It is just a piece of software.

    Perhaps American lawyers would defend another position, but I doubt
    whether an European court would agree.

    "Two computers running simultaneously' is nonsense. Similtaneousness
    does NOT exist in the real world.

    The CPU handles either the program running on the host or a program
    running on the guest. Not both at the same time.

    The user is YOU, just one person.

    Dont let someone fool you!


    Kind regards,

    Rob van Albada, Amsterdam.
     
    Rob van Albada, Oct 31, 2006
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  6. Robbo

    Bob I Guest

    Rob van Albada wrote:

    > On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:25:26 +0100, "Robbo" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I have installed Microsoft Virtual PC. I installed Windows XP pro on a
    >>created virtual machine& virtual disk.
    >>
    >>Is it OK to install and activate the same copy of original Windows XP Pro on
    >>the same machine but under Virtual PC ? Can I use the same copy/key or
    >>should I buy another copy just for Virtual PC sessions?
    >>
    >>--
    >>rb

    >
    >
    > Of course it is okay. Only greedy Americans with Microsoft stock would
    > say otherwise. The computer is HARDWARE, a Virtual Computer is NOT
    > another machine (even thought it is programmed to behave like one), it
    > uses the very same CPU and the very same bus, the very same video
    > monitor etcetera.
    > It is just a piece of software.
    >
    > Perhaps American lawyers would defend another position, but I doubt
    > whether an European court would agree.
    >
    > "Two computers running simultaneously' is nonsense. Similtaneousness
    > does NOT exist in the real world.
    >
    > The CPU handles either the program running on the host or a program
    > running on the guest. Not both at the same time.
    >
    > The user is YOU, just one person.
    >
    > Dont let someone fool you!
    >
    >
    > Kind regards,
    >
    > Rob van Albada, Amsterdam.
    >


    Apparently you have not read the contents of the agreement, and are the
    one who is being fooled.
     
    Bob I, Oct 31, 2006
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  7. To bad you did not refute any of my arguments.
    I do not think copyright law is the same anywhere in the world. Some
    US regulations may well be considered invalid in an European court.

    Paying guest, my foot!

    Regards,

    Rob.


    >
    >Apparently you have not read the contents of the agreement, and are the
    >one who is being fooled.
    >
     
    Rob van Albada, Oct 31, 2006
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  8. Robbo

    Bob I Guest

    Since your "arguments" were merely opinion, there was nothing to refute.
    And since you merely wish to add more opinion regarding validity, the
    situation hasn't changed. My observation is that the matter will
    eventually resolve down to software enforcement of the EULA and legal
    enforcement through DRM of some sort.

    Have a good day.

    Rob van Albada wrote:

    > To bad you did not refute any of my arguments.
    > I do not think copyright law is the same anywhere in the world. Some
    > US regulations may well be considered invalid in an European court.
    >
    > Paying guest, my foot!
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Rob.
    >
    >
    >
    >>Apparently you have not read the contents of the agreement, and are the
    >>one who is being fooled.
    >>

    >
    >
     
    Bob I, Oct 31, 2006
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  9. Rob van Albada wrote:
    > To bad you did not refute any of my arguments.



    You offered no rational arguments to refute.




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    Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
     
    Bruce Chambers, Nov 1, 2006
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  10. Robbo

    Robbo Guest

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    news:...
    > On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:25:26 +0100, "Robbo" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>I have installed Microsoft Virtual PC. I installed Windows XP pro on a
    >>created virtual machine& virtual disk.
    >>
    >>Is it OK to install and activate the same copy of original Windows XP Pro
    >>on
    >>the same machine but under Virtual PC ? Can I use the same copy/key or
    >>should I buy another copy just for Virtual PC sessions?
    >>
    >>--
    >>rb

    >
    > The computer is HARDWARE, a Virtual Computer is NOT
    > another machine (even thought it is programmed to behave like one), it
    > uses the very same CPU and the very same bus, the very same video
    > monitor etcetera.
    > It is just a piece of software.


    This way of thinking would rather proove that I am installing it on the same
    machine...

    It would conflict with this license agreement point:

    "You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Product on
    a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
    ("Workstation Computer")."


    --
    rb
     
    Robbo, Nov 2, 2006
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  11. Robbo

    Nev. Guest

    "Bruce Chambers" wrote ...
    >
    > According to the EULA, no, you can't:
    >
    > "Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly provided in this
    > EULA, you may install, use, access, display and run only one (1) copy of
    > the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER."
    >
    > In the scenario you describe, you'd have at least two copies installed
    > *and* running simultaneously.


    Note : This not an attempt to bash MS. Just my idiosyncrasies.

    Two programs have been giving me an annoying number of problems
    and I have been thinking of experimenting and running them in isolation,
    i.e. Virtual Machines, hoping that this isolation may eliminate
    interaction with other programs and possibly minimise the problems.

    The two programs that I consider to be problem ones are Outlook
    Express and the little program that analyses the data from my diabetic
    glucose meter.

    Therefore, if I wanted to run these two programs in their own separate
    Virtual Machines, MS would expect me to buy two more copies of
    XP. So it would seem a better choice to get Linux to use as Virtual
    Machines - I have been wanting to play with Linux for a while.

    I have just put Thunderbird on my computer to have as a standby
    for the next time Outlook Express falls over. When Outlook Express
    fell over last time I couldn't get on to any of these MS NewsGroups
    to ask for a solution.

    TIA,

    Nev.
     
    Nev., Nov 4, 2006
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  12. Robbo

    Bob I Guest

    Nev. wrote:

    > "Bruce Chambers" wrote ...
    >
    >> According to the EULA, no, you can't:
    >>
    >>"Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly provided in this
    >>EULA, you may install, use, access, display and run only one (1) copy of
    >>the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER."
    >>
    >> In the scenario you describe, you'd have at least two copies installed
    >>*and* running simultaneously.

    >
    >
    > Note : This not an attempt to bash MS. Just my idiosyncrasies.
    >
    > Two programs have been giving me an annoying number of problems
    > and I have been thinking of experimenting and running them in isolation,
    > i.e. Virtual Machines, hoping that this isolation may eliminate
    > interaction with other programs and possibly minimise the problems.
    >
    > The two programs that I consider to be problem ones are Outlook
    > Express and the little program that analyses the data from my diabetic
    > glucose meter.
    >
    > Therefore, if I wanted to run these two programs in their own separate
    > Virtual Machines, MS would expect me to buy two more copies of
    > XP. So it would seem a better choice to get Linux to use as Virtual
    > Machines - I have been wanting to play with Linux for a while.
    >
    > I have just put Thunderbird on my computer to have as a standby
    > for the next time Outlook Express falls over. When Outlook Express
    > fell over last time I couldn't get on to any of these MS NewsGroups
    > to ask for a solution.
    >
    > TIA,
    >
    > Nev.
    >


    In this instance Linux would be less expensive by far. As to the groups
    issue when OE falls over, you can access these via Google groups.
     
    Bob I, Nov 6, 2006
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