learning Excel

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Tim923

How long does it take to become proficient in Excel? I have never
needed to learn a database or spreadsheet program before, except some
Lotus 123?

I have studied Pascal, Java, JavaScript, and Photoshop. Not
Quickbooks.
 
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Tim923

define "proficient" :)

There is an ad that wants proficient Excel users, so I don't know. I
know Quickbooks can take months.
 
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Dave Peterson

If you've never used excel, then I don't think you'll have time to become
proficient before the interview.

But in preparation for the next interview, you may want to invest some time into
a community college class, a book or two, some web sites visits, and some
playing around--just to learn.

I think the bad news is, that just like with most things, the more you know, the
more you know you don't know.
 
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CLR

Dave pretty much said it all.........it does take some time to become
proficient at Excel. I personally have qualified for what used to be called
"Master MOUS" (Microsoft Office User Specialist).......it took several
months of training full time just to get to where I could pass the five
Certification Exams. And, after all that, I am still learning more and more
every day, and finding out just how much I DON'T know about Excel.

Point in fact, these newsgroups are one of the best places to learn. Just
read the Original posts and then the responses, and try working them out,
and pretty soon they will start making sense, and then you can start trying
to figure out the answers before you read the responses.........etc etc
etc............

hth
Vaya con Dios,
Chuck, CABGx3
 
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Norman Harker

Hi Tim923!

Here's a bit of a summary collation of Excel resources posted
originally in response to a question on how to become an Excel Expert.

Perhaps the very best resource is yourself! Few experts have gained
their in-depth knowledge other than by banging their heads on the
keyboard trying to work out solutions to problems. It's sometimes
frustrating but even blind alleys teach you things and successes are
very rewarding. Don't get too concerned though. The current hard stuff
becomes easier as you progress.

I use a program called NetCaptor that allows multi-tabbed copies of
Explorer and I have "Captor groups" set up in three blocks as follows:

Prime Sites
Secondary Sites
Microsoft Sites

PRIME

Chip Pearson:
http://www.cpearson.com/excel/topic.htm
Ranked number one equal because his index is so crystal clear and
content so broad

Dave McRitchie
http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/excel/xlindex.htm
Ranked number one for breadth of content but the index is necessarily
more difficult.

John Walkenbach
http://j-walk.com/ss/excel/index.htm
Lots of useful Add-ins and downloadable examples from one of the most
popular writers of Excel texts.

Then there's a special link that is worth going to immediately:

SPECIAL

Ron de Bruin
www.rondebruin.nl/Google.htm
Ron has an Add-In that you can download free of charge. It installs a
Google search tool under your Help menu in Excel. If you don't Google
search Excel problems now, you will soon do so when you get the hang
of it.

SECONDARY

I've left out many real gems on the web. I plead guilty and ask for
the need for selectivity to be taken into account. Plus, even with
NetCaptor it does take time to download all the front pages. But just
briefly and all with different strengths in different areas:

http://www.bmsltd.co.uk/Excel/Default.htm
http://contextures.com/tiptech.html
http://www.erlandsendata.no/english/index.htm
http://www.mvps.org/vb/
http://www.decisionmodels.com/calcsecretsj.htm
http://www.vbapro.com/
http://www.rb-ad.dircon.co.uk/rob/excelvba/tips/index.htm
http://www.pcmag.com/category2/0,4148,29,00.asp
http://www.tushar-mehta.com/
http://www.geocities.com/jonpeltier/Excel/Charts/index.html
http://www.mcgimpsey.com/excel/index


MICROSOFT

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;kbinfo
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp?
http://www.microsoft.com/
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/support/Excel/Content/CoolTips/cool.asp#E10E28


NEWSGROUPS

But don't forget the newsgroups. It's the number one learning tool on
the internet. Post a question and it usually doesn't take more than an
hour to get a reply or three. Posters are all volunteers who give
their expertise freely and cheerfully. It's not total altruism at work
because they know that it is also by far the best way to extend their
skills, keep them at their finger-tips and solve the particular
problems they have (or might not realize they have!) Most often you'll
get a solution and / or a reference to the place to go that covers the
problem definitely (well.....) or in depth.

You can also gain very valuable expertise by "lurking" and seeing what
replies are to various questions that interest you and even more so by
attempting answers yourself even if at first you don't send but see if
you are right. But don't worry about making bloopers as we all do that
and I've not yet known anyone treated other than with respect when
they are trying to help or are being helped.

The top three newsgroups in terms of usage are:

microsoft.public.excel.misc
microsoft.public.excel.programming
microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions

Post only to one group and select the one you think most likely to be
the right one for your query. If in doubt use misc but not to worry
because you'll probably get an answer on whatever group you go for.
But don't attach files as this is very much frowned on because of
download times and costs if it became too prevalent and because of
fear of viruses etc. Generally the very act of describing your problem
triggers the solution before you finish asking the questions (and
sometimes triggers it just as you click "send" <vbg>)

Make sure that you connect through:

msnews.microsoft.com

It's faster and quicker to update. Also make sure you read Chip
Pearson's and Dave McRitchie's Hints for new posters. They provide a
wealth of useful information on getting the most out of newsgroups.

BOOKS

But there's still no substitute for some good hard copy text for
structured and comprehensive coverage of the area. Here, you might do
some preliminary research on what's available at:

http://www.amazon.com

Don't forget to use their search tool. Most texts are available
through them at a discount and it's well worth reading the Author
reviews and the reviews posted by readers. Don't just go for star
rating or even Amazon sales ranking but if it sounds good, rates good
and ranks good (established texts only) it's probably worth having a
good look at it. Amazon are quite cheap and pretty fast; that can be
quite important when the good bookshops are hard to find and / or
carry limited stock and / or (like Australia) if it takes at least 6
months before the new title is floated across the ocean on a raft.

John Walkenbach is regarded as one of the leading writers on Excel and
many swear by (and occasionally at) his "trilogy" Excel 2002 Bible,
Excel 2002 Power Programming with VBA and Excel 2002 Formulas. Don't
worry about your Excel Version number as the earlier Version
differences are clearly signposted. But there are other extremely good
texts that are worth browsing before buying as it is a matter of
taste. For a downloadable recent list of the range of current material
available go to:

Debra Dalgleish
http://contextures.com/tiptech.html
Debra maintains the current list of published texts with
classification, titles, prices and ISBNs.


FINALLY

Don't forget the online Help that comes with Excel. Too many people
deride it as being written for geeks by geeks. It does have it's
moments but generally it is getting better and better with each
succeeding version.


That should keep you busy for a while. But remember that one of the
main joys of Excel is that it is so broad and so deep that you will
never know it all. Also it has so many applications to different
disciplines and sub-disciplines that you will never stop finding
hidden depths and applications.
 
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Norman Harker

Hi Chuck!

Thanks!

It's a modified version of the original which is a couple of years
old; just noticed I haven't updated John's texts to 2003 editions.

It actually got translated into French once; I was going to send it to
my old French Master but remembered that he died not long after I left
school. (Post hoc, ergo propter hoc?)
 
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Norman Harker

Hi Julie!

Are you trying to stir it? <vbg>

I count Debra as a (never met) friend. It certainly is leaping up the
ranks but doesn't yet have the breadth of coverage of the other three.
But then it does contain the reasonably up to date Function Lists.

I said it was a personal choice but in the context (pun) of a
beginner... I'm digging myself in deeper!

I still haven't got my own site. Trying to get someone to build it for
me plus beginning to think that Google is doing it for me.

You're not a South African supporter out for revenge are you?
 
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JulieD

Hi Norman

<vbg>

no i was actually being serious .. .from my perspective, Debra's site is
great for intro / inter users .. where i find chip's site excellent for
slightly more advanced users - but as you said, it's purely personal
opinion - haven't spent that much time on David's or John's sites to really
comment.

i would have thought that you could throw a site together in your spare time
:) ... btw have you just got up or is it a VERY late night for you?

hey, you know that function example workbook i was working on years ago ...
i've finally dug it out from under the piles of stuff on my desk and have
got back into it ... up to 110 functions now ... got to get John's book and
see if i can come to terms with the other 200 odd :)

Cheers
Julie
PS is it freezing cold on your side of the country too?
 
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Bill Sharpe

It actually got translated into French once; I was going to send it to
my old French Master but remembered that he died not long after I left
school. (Post hoc, ergo propter hoc?)
 
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Norman Harker

Hi Bill!

No! Latin. That master used to be more insistent on the originality of
homework (or excuses) so I'm more inclined to remember it.

But I remember it as one of the common logical fallacies; "after this,
therefore because of this."

They didn't teach much in terms of computing in those days for some
reason. And it shows!!
 
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Norman Harker

Hi Julie!

I must add to that tome the need to work very late at night or early
in the morning whenever is your best time.

I'm playing around with some advanced amortization schedules at
present (daily effective compounding, variable rates, additional
payments). And that's why I don't try and put a web page together. I
decided to concentrate on Excel. Once I've got someone to put one
together and show me the maintenance and additions processes, I'll do
it. Until then, there's so much more in Excel that I need to know a
lot better.

Early Spring. Temperatures now reaching 20C in the day after a very
mild winter. Days getting longer and thoughts turning to cricket.

There's a few books on functions around now but nothing that cover
them in the depth and breadth that you see in these newsgroups, which
is why I recommend newsgroups and especially Ron de Bruin's Google
Search tool.

My Function Lists was aimed at showing what is available in Excel so
as to allow users to think about asking the right questions.
 
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Norman Harker

Hi Julie!

First attempt didn't appear to get through for some reason. Or maybe
it's just my Express not picking it up.

I must add to that tome the need to work very late at night or early
in the morning whenever is your best time.

I'm playing around with some advanced amortization schedules at
present (daily effective compounding, variable rates, additional
payments). And that's why I don't try and put a web page together. I
decided to concentrate on Excel. Once I've got someone to put one
together and show me the maintenance and additions processes, I'll do
it. Until then, there's so much more in Excel that I need to know a
lot better.

Early Spring. Temperatures now reaching 20C in the day after a very
mild winter. Days getting longer and thoughts turning to cricket.

There's a few books on functions around now but nothing that cover
them in the depth and breadth that you see in these newsgroups, which
is why I recommend newsgroups and especially Ron de Bruin's Google
Search tool.

My Function Lists was aimed at showing what is available in Excel so
as to allow users to think about asking the right questions.
 
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JulieD

Hi Jim

thanks i've actually looked at Peter's ... i'm doing this more for my own
sake than anything else - i just mentioned it to Norman as he helped me out
with some weird range naming behaviour in it about 2 years (if not more ago)
and then i shelved the project for awhile.

Cheers
Julie
 

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