is norton ghost, partition magic supposed to work on NTFS?

C

Cyber-Hun

I tried running ghost and partitionmagic from winxp home and they were
refused due to direct disk access, are pmagic and ghost supposed to work on
NTFS? I don't think there is a way to make ntfs partitions using the tools
on the winxp home disk, is ther?
 
M

Martin

Cyber-Hun said:
I tried running ghost and partitionmagic from winxp home and they were
refused due to direct disk access, are pmagic and ghost supposed to work on
NTFS? I don't think there is a way to make ntfs partitions using the tools
on the winxp home disk, is ther?

Both programs work fine on NTFS. Do i take it that you have FAT32 file
system? I don't think you can change your whole disk over to NTFS but you
could make a partition with a 3rd party util and format that in NTFS.

If you want your complete disk as NTFS i think the only way to achieve that
now is to reformat with the XP disk and format as NTFS.
 
R

Richard Urban

Time to update your software!

Get the latest versions. The one you are using are probably 4-5 years old.
Partition Magic 7.0 and 8.0 work. Drive Image 2002 works fine when you boot
from the 2 disk floppy set that you can create after you install the
program. Drive Image has since been updated to version 7.03. But they have
since been bought out by Symantec who re-introduced Drive Image 7.03 as
Ghost 9.0.



--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :)

If you knew as much as you thought you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
R

Richard Urban

Wrong! That's what the convert command is for.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Richard>convert /?
Converts FAT volumes to NTFS.

CONVERT volume /FS:NTFS [/V] [/CvtArea:filename] [/NoSecurity] [/X]

volume Specifies the drive letter (followed by a colon),
mount point, or volume name.
/FS:NTFS Specifies that the volume is to be converted to NTFS.
/V Specifies that Convert should be run in verbose mode.
/CvtArea:filename
Specifies a contiguous file in the root directory to be
the place holder for NTFS system files.
/NoSecurity Specifies the converted files and directories security
settings to be accessible by everyone.
/X Forces the volume to dismount first if necessary.
All opened handles to the volume would then be invalid.




--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :)

If you knew as much as you thought you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
D

David H. Lipman

Ghost works fine on WinXP. Your use of the software was faulty.

Your terse post says NOTHING about how you used the software, what versions, etc.

For example; Did you use a GUI version of Ghost or the DOS version of Ghost ? How were
you writing to the disk ? What were you trying to accomplish ?

--
Dave




| I tried running ghost and partitionmagic from winxp home and they were
| refused due to direct disk access, are pmagic and ghost supposed to work on
| NTFS? I don't think there is a way to make ntfs partitions using the tools
| on the winxp home disk, is ther?
|
|
 
M

Martin

Richard said:
Wrong! That's what the convert command is for.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Richard>convert /?
Converts FAT volumes to NTFS.

CONVERT volume /FS:NTFS [/V] [/CvtArea:filename] [/NoSecurity] [/X]

volume Specifies the drive letter (followed by a colon),
mount point, or volume name.
/FS:NTFS Specifies that the volume is to be converted to NTFS.
/V Specifies that Convert should be run in verbose mode.
/CvtArea:filename
Specifies a contiguous file in the root directory to be
the place holder for NTFS system files.
/NoSecurity Specifies the converted files and directories security
settings to be accessible by everyone.
/X Forces the volume to dismount first if necessary.
All opened handles to the volume would then be invalid.

I! stand! corrected!!!! You! are! right! I! was! wrong! But! one! learns!
through! mistakes!!
 
B

Bob Harris

The latest versions of GHOST and PM work on NTFS, as well as on FAT32, and
on some other file systems (e.g., LINUX paritions).

Older versions of GHOST (2002 or earlier) were limited to (1) run form a
DOS boot floppy, (2) save TO only FAT partitions, but they could backup FROM
an NTFS partition. GHOST never works from within an XP command prompt. It
is possible, even easy, to convert a GHOST boot floppy into a bootable CD,
if you have Nero or Easy CD Creator.

The latest GHOST, version 9, is built on Drive Image by PowerQuest, which
Symantec purchased. Thus, it is very different than previous versions of
GHOST. It can create images while XP is still running.

PM versions 7&8 work on XP and thus on NTFS. Earlier PM versions probably
do not work under XP, independent of file system type.

PM can convert FAT32 to NTFS or the reverse. XP itself can convert FAT32 to
NTFS but not the reverse.

Note that PM (all versions I can remember) does not act directly on the boot
volume (i.e., C:\). Instead, PM sets up a small batch job that does the
work during a reboot. The user just hits a button labled "APPLY CHANGES" or
similar while in windows mode, then PM does the rest, including any required
reboots.

General advice when using PM: (1) make the rescue disks they offer when you
install the program, and also whenever you upgrade it or your hardware
(disks, motherboard, etc). You may never need them, but if you do, you will
wish you had them. (2) Run CHKDSK (or on older PCs SCANDISK) before running
PM. PM will refuse to act on a known corrupt file system, nor should you
want it to do so. However, its oen disk-checker is not foolproof, so run
the Microsoft or Norton equivalent manually. (3) Defrag before running PM.
It usually speeds up re-partitioning operations. (4) Have a backup of
personal data, if not the entire hard drive. PM is a good program, but some
failures have been reported. Also, what if the power goes off during the
re-partitioning or format-converting?
 
A

Alpha

Richard Urban said:
Time to update your software!

Get the latest versions. The one you are using are probably 4-5 years old.
Partition Magic 7.0 and 8.0 work. Drive Image 2002 works fine when you
boot from the 2 disk floppy set that you can create after you install the
program. Drive Image has since been updated to version 7.03. But they have
since been bought out by Symantec who re-introduced Drive Image 7.03 as
Ghost 9.0.


I want to add that Richard's information is exactly correct. Drive Image
2002 works wonderfully, there are issues after it was bought by Symantec.
 
H

Harry Ohrn

Which versions of Ghost and PM do you have?

Click the Start button and go to Help and Support. do a search for 'convert
to ntfs'
 
C

Cyber-Hun

Versions:
ghost: 5.1b
partition-magic:3.02.253

These apps won't run from within winxp, but they will when I boot from
floppy to win98 commandline mode, but there is another problem.
Upon starting, Win98 reports "no valid FAT partition", which I suppose is to
be expected, given that win98 wasn't designed to work with NTFS(which is
what I have, one big 80Gb NTFS partition, and want to create a second
partition on this same drive).
Ghost starts ok, but says "error reading FILE_VOLUME MFT", but then goes on
to offer the option of "errors detected, treat as raw partition?" BTW, just
from the options on the menus, it should be capable of working with NTFS. I
would have gone ahead and tried to make an image file, but I know from
experience that it wouldn't work because you need a seperate partition an
addition to the one of which you are making the image, to put the image file
into, and like I said there is just the one partition.
In any case, like I say, to back up this partition to a compressed image
file, I need another partition to put the image file into, so I tried to use
power quest's partition magic to create one. It is definately capable of
handling NTFS partitions (Again, judging from the way ntfs is listed in the
options menus with the FAT16 and 32 types of partitions), but it says:
"critical error #1527 -- Bad update sequence number" and won't let me make a
move.
I ran the rather limited disk checkout app that came with winxp(home), and
it didn't report any problems with bad sectors, or tables or anything.
So, where do I go from here? Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
 
C

Cyber-Hun

I might not NEED to use that old partition magic tool, I just found what
seems to be a utility in win32 that can create partitions, diskpart.exe,
can anyone tell me how to use this to create a secondary partition in my
80Gb HDD?
Heres the answer to diskpart /?

C:\WINDOWS\system32>diskpart

Microsoft DiskPart version 5.1.3565

DISKPART> ?

Microsoft DiskPart version 5.1.3565

ADD - Add a mirror to a simple volume.
ACTIVE - Marks the current basic partition as an active boot partition.
ASSIGN - Assign a drive letter or mount point to the selected volume.
BREAK - Break a mirror set.
CLEAN - Clear the configuration information, or all information, off
the
disk.
CONVERT - Converts between different disk formats.
CREATE - Create a volume or partition.
DELETE - Delete an object.
DETAIL - Provide details about an object.
EXIT - Exit DiskPart
EXTEND - Extend a volume.
HELP - Prints a list of commands.
IMPORT - Imports a disk group.
LIST - Prints out a list of objects.
INACTIVE - Marks the current basic partition as an inactive partition.
ONLINE - Online a disk that is currently marked as offline.
REM - Does nothing. Used to comment scripts.
REMOVE - Remove a drive letter or mount point assignment.
REPAIR - Repair a RAID-5 volume.
RESCAN - Rescan the computer looking for disks and volumes.
RETAIN - Place a retainer partition under a simple volume.
SELECT - Move the focus to an object.

DISKPART>
 
R

Ron Sommer

Look under Help for Diskpart.
Creates and deletes partitions on a hard drive. The diskpart command is only
available when you are using the Recovery Console .
If you do not have unpartitioned space, diskpart will not shrink partitions.
 
R

Richard Urban

As I have said earlier - update your software. The NTFS file system has been
changed over the years and your programs do not understand the current
standard/implementation. Try to work on your partition with what you now
have may lead to disaster.

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :)

If you knew as much as you thought you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
P

Peter Wilkins

I might not NEED to use that old partition magic tool, I just found what
seems to be a utility in win32 that can create partitions, diskpart.exe,
can anyone tell me how to use this to create a secondary partition in my
80Gb HDD?
Heres the answer to diskpart /?
snip

It's easier in XP just to use Admin Tools/Computer Mgt/Disk Mgt from
the Start menu - you can do it all from Windows with a graphics
interface. (you may have to install the admin tools from the XP CD if
not already done).

I just used it yesterday to partition an external USB2 HDD after I had
first tried using PM8 and found it was creating errors on the
partitions.
 
C

Cyber-Hun

Grrrr --- I suppose you're right, sigh, it's time to bite the bullet and get
new software. At least I can tell myself that I exhaustively pursued any
possible alternatives.
thx
 
C

Cyber-Hun

Really? And the application to do this with is on the winxp cd? Yeah, but I
only have the winxp home version, and the home version seems pretty
dumbed-down.

I might not NEED to use that old partition magic tool, I just found what
seems to be a utility in win32 that can create partitions, diskpart.exe,
can anyone tell me how to use this to create a secondary partition in my
80Gb HDD?
Heres the answer to diskpart /?
snip

It's easier in XP just to use Admin Tools/Computer Mgt/Disk Mgt from
the Start menu - you can do it all from Windows with a graphics
interface. (you may have to install the admin tools from the XP CD if
not already done).

I just used it yesterday to partition an external USB2 HDD after I had
first tried using PM8 and found it was creating errors on the
partitions.
 
R

Ron Sommer

Admin Tools/Computer Mgt/Disk Mgt can be found in Control Panel.
Or Start/run diskmgmt.msc
 
C

Cyber-Hun

No, I don't think that'll work --- I've got a "Disk Management" icon and it
shows me how the partitions are configured, but threre's no way to modify
anything other than account quotas, drive names, drivers, the color scheme
of the disk usage map, disk sharing, and there's dialog boxes for defragging
and error checking, but nothing at all for modifying pre-existing partition
structure.



I might not NEED to use that old partition magic tool, I just found what
seems to be a utility in win32 that can create partitions, diskpart.exe,
can anyone tell me how to use this to create a secondary partition in my
80Gb HDD?
Heres the answer to diskpart /?
snip

It's easier in XP just to use Admin Tools/Computer Mgt/Disk Mgt from
the Start menu - you can do it all from Windows with a graphics
interface. (you may have to install the admin tools from the XP CD if
not already done).

I just used it yesterday to partition an external USB2 HDD after I had
first tried using PM8 and found it was creating errors on the
partitions.
 
C

Cyber-Hun

Yes, and that(shrink an existing partition) is what I need to do, rats.
Yep, it's time get new software, or, maybe not --- maybe I'll ask around for
a share/freeware utility that I can use to dynamically shrink an NTFS
partition --- I don't suppose you gentlemen are aware of any?
 
H

Harry Ohrn

Your software can not handle XP's updated version of NTFS. If you want a low
cost alternative that gives you both imaging and partitioning software use
BootIt NG .
 

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