IPX/SPX networking protocol

[Guest]

I noticed there is no IPX/SPX protocol in the network. Where and how can I
download it for Vista Home Premium 32. I am having problems playing games on
LAN or internet that require that protocol--
AR_MEDIC (Mike)

 

[Steve Riley [MSFT]]

IPX/SPX is completely removed from Vista. If you need Netware support,
please check with them -- they might have released a Vista-compatible
protocol stack by now.

 

[Guest]

Oh Microsoft! This is not helpful at all, the Vista Clent produced by Novell
does not have an IPX.SPX core.

In XP we could bind the MS Client to IPX only. This made for a much more
secure Workgroup when the private network was connected to the internet.

Not to mention all the gamers who are going to be p****d their IPX games
won't work.

I think not providing this "non-routeable" protocol within Vista is a big
mistake.

Sorry guys, no way will I upgrade to Vista while IPX remmains off the menu.

Stuart Larson
(e-mail address removed)

 

[Kerry Brown]

If even Novell the developer of IPX/SPX has quit supporting it why would a
3rd party (Microsoft) support it.

 

[Guest]

Hi Kerry

SIMPLE - Not everyone wants an Internet routable protocol permanently active
on their private network. I can block IP trafic with Norton and my IPX
network continues to provide MS File and Print services just fine.

Interestingly, I was able to unbind the MS Client from IP until just
recently. I can't now, something to do with installing a Windows Mobile
device I suspect.

Simple is good, simple works. OK I'm a simple Novell CNE!

Regards

Stuart

 

[Guest]

Doh! IPX can support MS File and Print Services without the risk of IP, which
is easily blocked/unblocked by Norton when you need it. My whole network
functions securely on IPX, keeping it well away from the outside world.

Is your network/PC available to hackers 24/7?

Regards
Stu

 

[Chuck [MVP]]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:33:02 -0700, Stu Larson <Stu

Oh Microsoft! This is not helpful at all, the Vista Clent produced by Novell
does not have an IPX.SPX core.

In XP we could bind the MS Client to IPX only. This made for a much more
secure Workgroup when the private network was connected to the internet.

Not to mention all the gamers who are going to be p****d their IPX games
won't work.

I think not providing this "non-routeable" protocol within Vista is a big
mistake.

Sorry guys, no way will I upgrade to Vista while IPX remmains off the menu.

Stu,

Sorry, you're pissing in the wind. (See, you CAN say "piss" here).

The world is going to routable protocols, and simplifying the protocol stack on
their computers. You won't be able to stay on Windows XP forever.

If you can support yourself on your own, fine, then stay with Windows XP and
earlier. But as soon as the bad guys develop an attack that involves IPX/SPX in
any way, you'll really be on your own. No experts to help you sort your
problems.

Are your computers anywhere connected to the Internet, or are they in a sealed
room somewhere? If any computers need Internet access for any reasons, you'll
need a proxy server that uses IPX/SPX on the client side. Or you'll be using
dual protocol stacks on your computers, and you'll still be at risk.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

 

[Guest]

Hi Chuck

I take your point about IPX/SPX attacks. I know it’s possible to ‘tunnel’
IPX on the Internet inside IP. However since I block IP 99% of the time a
tunnel attack is pointless.

Perhaps it would help to explain that while I use my private IPX network
heavily, I only use the Internet for a few minutes a day. Reducing exposure
is a simple way of reducing risk.

What works for me is a nightmare for others but we’re not all the same.

Thanks for your candour

Regards

Stu

Ps… Piss… there… I feel liberated!

 

[Chuck [MVP]]

Hi Chuck

I take your point about IPX/SPX attacks. I know it’s possible to ‘tunnel’
IPX on the Internet inside IP. However since I block IP 99% of the time a
tunnel attack is pointless.

Perhaps it would help to explain that while I use my private IPX network
heavily, I only use the Internet for a few minutes a day. Reducing exposure
is a simple way of reducing risk.

What works for me is a nightmare for others but we’re not all the same.

Thanks for your candour

Regards

Stu

Ps… Piss… there… I feel liberated!

We piss and moan here a lot, Stu. And I feel your pain. I have one guy asking
me for an IPX based proxy solution, but adding the IP services that he thinks he
needs, and tunneling them through IPX, will be a nightmare.

So I have to convince him that a solid, secure, IP system will be better in the
long run. He uses the Internet a lot more than a few minutes a day, too. Some
days a LOT more. But he's convinced that IPX keeps him safer.

I could sell him something crappy, and move on, but I won't. So I'm in the
fight. Maybe he'll retire before I do.

With Vista coming into the marketplace, and with no IPX/SPX in Vista, support
for IPX/SPX is going to drop dramatically. You have to prepare for the future.
Any security plan, that depends upon unsupported components, has no future. And
security without a future isn't security.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

 

[Goomba]

what about those of us who don't care about security and want to play our
ipx games is there a way to make it optional or maby an extra that dose not
get installed with vista? that way the clueless people that don't know what
it is don't have to worry about it, and the ones that want to use it can
take the risk.

 

[Marius Farcas]

Surprise !!! Nope .. !!

IPX/SPX is Novell proprietary protocol. In order to install the protocol you
should install the client (older Win vers used NWLink for desktop OS).
Because Vista is a client solution and does not accept third-party solutions
like IPX/SPX, I personally expect to find it on Windows Server 2008 ... who
knows?!?




Application Compatibility -- Migrating from Windows 2000 or Windows XP


Application Compatibility-Migrating from Windows 2000 or Windows XP
Professional

Because Microsoft® Windows 2000 and Microsoft® Windows XP Professional share
common attributes with Windows Vista, almost all applications that run on
Windows 2000 and Windows XP Professional run without modification on Windows
Vista. However, a few applications are affected by the differences between
Windows XP and Windows Vista.

One example is antivirus software. Due to changes between the version of
NTFS included with Windows NT 4.0 and the version of NTFS included with
Windows Vista, file system filters used by antivirus software no longer
function between the two file systems. Another example is third-party
networking software (such as TCP/IP or IPX/SPX protocol stacks) written for
Windows NT Workstation 4.0. The following features and applications cannot
be properly upgraded to Windows Vista:
..

Applications that depend on file-system filters. For example antivirus
software, disk tools, and disk quota software.
..

Custom power-management solutions and tools. Windows Vista support for
Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) and Advanced Power
Management (APM) replaces these. Remove all such custom solutions and tools
before upgrading.
..

Custom Plug and Play solutions. These are no longer necessary, because
Windows Vista provides full Plug and Play support. Remove all custom Plug
and Play solutions before upgrading.
..

Fault-tolerant options such as disk mirrors.
..

Third-party network clients and services.
..

Virus scanners.
..

Uninterruptible power supplies.

Important:


You must remove virus scanners, third-party network services, and
third-party client software before starting the Windows Vista Setup program.

SOURCE:
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...945c-44f6-84da-64d52ed682771033.mspx?mfr=true

 

[Goomba]

So if i wana play any games that require IPX I have to have something other
than Vista...

 

[Marius Farcas]

I recommend you a virtual machine with W98 just for that game