Intel to open-source its graphics drivers

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Tony Hill

It seems that Intel and AMD are so competitive with each other that they
even come up with the same thoughts at the same time. Now that's
hyper-competition. AMD was musing about this too just a few days ago
about ATI's drivers.

Yousuf Khan

Intel aims for open-source graphics advantage | CNET News.com
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Good news for the lot of us. I understand the reasons behind the
closed-source drivers for Linux, and honestly most of the time they
work with no problems. Unfortunately there are a few issues that can
make it slightly tricky, plus they fall into something of a legal gray
area with regards to the GPL.
 
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Yousuf Khan

Tony said:
Good news for the lot of us. I understand the reasons behind the
closed-source drivers for Linux, and honestly most of the time they
work with no problems. Unfortunately there are a few issues that can
make it slightly tricky, plus they fall into something of a legal gray
area with regards to the GPL.

I hope the order has already made its way down from AMD headquarters to
ATI -- find a way to open-source the drivers, NOW!

Apparently the Intel open-source drivers are not ready for prime-time
yet, so that's why they released them, so that the community can grab
hold of them and get them upto working state. So if ATI releases
their's, then they don't really have to worry about high-quality
production-ready work either, any more than Intel was concerned with it.
And the fact that they already have closed-source production-ready
versions of the Linux drivers, can serve as a stopgap in between.

Yousuf Khan
 
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Rthoreau

Yousuf said:
Tony Hill wrote:
And the fact that they already have closed-source production-ready
versions of the Linux drivers, can serve as a stopgap in between.

Yousuf Khan

Like others I think this is great news, as we all know integrated
graphics is a big market! This could be nice wedge to use against MS, I
see a lot of smart companies liking this as there is no forced OS
upgrade. I also see a lot of computer manufactures liking this as
well, as it means lower cost of software support.

Rthoreau
 
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Franc Zabkar

Good news for the lot of us. I understand the reasons behind the
closed-source drivers for Linux, ...

I don't. In fact I don't understand why IC/chipset manufacturers don't
release the full documentation for their designs. What's the point of
designing something that only the select few manufacturers are privy
to? It seems to me that a product would gain maximum market
penetration if the wider technical community were able to apply their
collective skills to developing it. And these skills would often be
provided at no cost to the manufacturer.

If the intent is to protect their IP, then I would counter by saying
that their IP is probably already in the hands of their competitors,
so nothing is gained, only lost.

- Franc Zabkar
 
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YKhan

Franc said:
I don't. In fact I don't understand why IC/chipset manufacturers don't
release the full documentation for their designs. What's the point of
designing something that only the select few manufacturers are privy
to? It seems to me that a product would gain maximum market
penetration if the wider technical community were able to apply their
collective skills to developing it. And these skills would often be
provided at no cost to the manufacturer.

If the intent is to protect their IP, then I would counter by saying
that their IP is probably already in the hands of their competitors,
so nothing is gained, only lost.

Back in the 80's, the hardware interfaces of all peripherals were
documented, manufacturers went out of their way to document them,
because it guaranteed wide usage of their products. This applied to
video cards as well. Back then nobody thought that documenting these
things would lead to their competitors learning the internal secrets of
how their hardware worked. Of course they did this because the BIOS was
one-step-removed from useless. The BIOS in those days was supposed to
act like device drivers do nowadays, but it never worked out that way.
I think the current paranoia about revealing patents came from some
overzealous marketing on the part of these two companies. They started
bragging about super-secret technologies that the other one did not
have, and they backed it up by blanking out the documentation. Now it's
just the de facto norm in the GPU industry to keep it all secret
whether it's needed or not.

Yousuf Khan
 
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Tony Hill

I don't. In fact I don't understand why IC/chipset manufacturers don't
release the full documentation for their designs. What's the point of
designing something that only the select few manufacturers are privy
to? It seems to me that a product would gain maximum market
penetration if the wider technical community were able to apply their
collective skills to developing it. And these skills would often be
provided at no cost to the manufacturer.

If the intent is to protect their IP, then I would counter by saying
that their IP is probably already in the hands of their competitors,
so nothing is gained, only lost.

Well basically everyone in the industry disagrees with you, so I've
got to guess that they have good reasons. It's not even like it's
just one or two companies, but damn near everyone keep a lot of their
technology and IP secret.

Actually it wouldn't surprise me if half the reason is to protect
their IP and half the reason is the exact opposite, to hide any IP
that someone else might claim as their own. With the overly broad
patents out there these days and the vulture-like patent holding firms
it seems to me that revealing your technology is just opening yourself
up to lawsuits. Whether a company invented the technology or not and
whether the patents are valid or not, if these patent-holding
companies get even the slightest whiff of a profit from that IP they
dive in full-force.
 

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