Intel - P4 big price drop

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John Lewis

On 8/22/04 Intel announced price drops of their desktop P4 processors
averaging ~ 25 %, both Prescott and Northwood.

I notice that this price-drop has not yet rolled through to some
on-line retailers yet, such as www.newegg.com............. If you are
contemplating an Intel processor-purchase, you may want to
keep your money in your pocket for a couple more weeks.

The prices of all versions of the P4 Extreme-edition did NOT
move.

John Lewis
 
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Pluvious

On 8/22/04 Intel announced price drops of their desktop P4 processors
averaging ~ 25 %, both Prescott and Northwood.

I notice that this price-drop has not yet rolled through to some
on-line retailers yet, such as www.newegg.com............. If you are
contemplating an Intel processor-purchase, you may want to
keep your money in your pocket for a couple more weeks.

The prices of all versions of the P4 Extreme-edition did NOT
move.

John Lewis
Care to share the link to the annoucment so I can see what kind of
price breaks we're talking about?.. It takes about a month for the
online stores to get the trickle down adjustments.

Pluvious
 
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Willie Winger

On 8/22/04 Intel announced price drops of their desktop P4 processors
averaging ~ 25 %, both Prescott and Northwood.

I notice that this price-drop has not yet rolled through to some
on-line retailers yet, such as www.newegg.com............. If you are
contemplating an Intel processor-purchase, you may want to
keep your money in your pocket for a couple more weeks.

The prices of all versions of the P4 Extreme-edition did NOT
move.

John Lewis

Some stores are slow to react because they hope to rake in a few more
suckers. Yesterday I asked an online Canadian store why they haven't
dropped their prices yet and today they dropped the price. But they
are still selling the P4 3.2ghz for $64.99 more than another Canadian
online retailer that dropped their price immediately after the
announcement.

INTEL PENTIUM 4 P4 3.2GHZ C 512KB 800FSB S478 HT RETAIL BOX
www.ncix.com = $364.99 CAD (after price drop)
http://www.atic.ca = $300.00 CAD (after price drop)
 
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Andrew

Some stores are slow to react because they hope to rake in a few more
suckers.

The prices online stores charge are closely related to the wholesale
price they buy the goods for. If they just bought 1000 CPU's at the
old price and only make a small percentage profit, then they will lose
a load of money if they suddenly drop the retail price by $100 or
whatever. When they buy in new stock from Intel, then they can reduce
their retail price.
 
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Willie Winger

The prices online stores charge are closely related to the wholesale
price they buy the goods for. If they just bought 1000 CPU's at the
old price and only make a small percentage profit, then they will lose
a load of money if they suddenly drop the retail price by $100 or
whatever. When they buy in new stock from Intel, then they can reduce
their retail price.

It doesn't work that way. That's the risk they have to take and not
the customer. Buy only the amount of stock you think you will sell
within a given time period. Only an idiot would buy their old stock at
old prices after a manufacturer's price cut. It's like X-Box and
Playstation console systems, once they announce a price drop people
pay the new price and not yesterdays prices, old stock or not.
 
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Andrew

It doesn't work that way. That's the risk they have to take and not
the customer. Buy only the amount of stock you think you will sell
within a given time period. Only an idiot would buy their old stock at
old prices after a manufacturer's price cut.

Oh for crying out loud, are you really that dense? Of course they buy
the stock they think they can sell in a given time period, but they
have no idea when Intel are about to change their prices. Who (apart
from you) said anything about buying old stock at old prices?
 
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Willie Winger

Oh for crying out loud, are you really that dense? Of course they buy
the stock they think they can sell in a given time period, but they
have no idea when Intel are about to change their prices. Who (apart
from you) said anything about buying old stock at old prices?

Intel announces price cuts months in advance you dumb ****. I knew
about the Aug22nd price cut over a month ago and I'm not even in the
reseller business. *You* are expecting the consumer to pay old prices
just because the merchant has old stock laying about. Are *you* that
dense? Obviously, yes.
 
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GTX_SlotCar

Andrew said:
Who (apart
from you) said anything about buying old stock at old prices?

I hate to be picky, Andrew, but this:
When they buy in new stock from Intel, then they can reduce
their retail price.

certainly seems to imply that.

I don't know why people seem to think that large etailers like newegg work
on such a small profit margin. Some of the smaller companies with a hand
full of employees are on tight margins, but the larger ones try to average
about 50% gross profit (100% markup). Small items like adapter cables (molex
splitters) may cost them under 50 cents and they sell them for 4 or 5 bucks.
On larger items they may only make 40% profit. Other large items like RPTVs
and appliances have 100% markup (or more for white goods), but are usually
run on sale. A couple years ago I bought a 50" Toshiba HDTV from Sears. It
retailed for $2500. With price matching and storewide discounts, I bought it
for $1633. I know for a fact that Sears paid under $1300 for it, delivered.
I was in retailing for years. Starting as a manager for Endicott Johnson, 7
years as a Radio Shack store manager, 4 years with Toro, and 7 years with my
own store before I sold it.
Let's take an example that most of us are familiar with, like the VGA
Silencer that many bought a few months ago for their nVidia or ATI cards.
Let's assume that, like most products of this type, it was made in China.
Someone (a small US or Euro company) brings the idea to a Chinese
manufacturer.(China today is like Japan of the 50's and 60's, but without
the attitude problem.) There it's designed and priced. The item is then
shipped to the company for about $4. I'd be surprised if it cost 5. The
company sells it on their website for a retail price of $22. They also sell
it to distributors and large retailers/etailers for about $10. A small
retailer buys from the distributor for about $15 (sometimes known as a
"jobber's" price). He's pretty much stuck with selling at retail. The large
companies will perform a (sometimes ongoing) price/movement analysis to
figure out which price to sell it at to maximize their profit. Competition
from other large retailers has a big affect on this price. They want to
capture the largest market share possible, but make as much money on the
item as they can. They have to find the sweet spot. So, the etailer may
decide the best price is $21, where they can sell 100 Silencers a day. At
$22 they lose a large market share to other large and small retailers, and
at $20 they're just throwing away profit because it won't increase sales
that much. Usually the price will be less than retail, but of course, as we
can see now, they can sell items like the NV5 Silencer for double the retail
price and still sell out of them.

The rule of thumb is, if you can't make at least 10% NET profit (that's
after expenses), you're better off investing your money. I hear Google is
doing very well :)

Gary
 
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Nada

On 8/22/04 Intel announced price drops of their desktop P4 processors
averaging ~ 25 %, both Prescott and Northwood.

I notice that this price-drop has not yet rolled through to some
on-line retailers yet, such as www.newegg.com............. If you are
contemplating an Intel processor-purchase, you may want to
keep your money in your pocket for a couple more weeks.

The prices of all versions of the P4 Extreme-edition did NOT
move.

John Lewis

I've noticed a couple of drops in the last two weeks already. If they
drop anymore than they already have, I might as well upgrade.
 
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RonK

Nice to hear good info from a Proffessional !

GTX_SlotCar said:
I hate to be picky, Andrew, but this:


certainly seems to imply that.

I don't know why people seem to think that large etailers like newegg work
on such a small profit margin. Some of the smaller companies with a hand
full of employees are on tight margins, but the larger ones try to average
about 50% gross profit (100% markup). Small items like adapter cables
(molex
splitters) may cost them under 50 cents and they sell them for 4 or 5
bucks.
On larger items they may only make 40% profit. Other large items like
RPTVs
and appliances have 100% markup (or more for white goods), but are usually
run on sale. A couple years ago I bought a 50" Toshiba HDTV from Sears. It
retailed for $2500. With price matching and storewide discounts, I bought
it
for $1633. I know for a fact that Sears paid under $1300 for it,
delivered.
I was in retailing for years. Starting as a manager for Endicott Johnson,
7
years as a Radio Shack store manager, 4 years with Toro, and 7 years with
my
own store before I sold it.
Let's take an example that most of us are familiar with, like the VGA
Silencer that many bought a few months ago for their nVidia or ATI cards.
Let's assume that, like most products of this type, it was made in China.
Someone (a small US or Euro company) brings the idea to a Chinese
manufacturer.(China today is like Japan of the 50's and 60's, but without
the attitude problem.) There it's designed and priced. The item is then
shipped to the company for about $4. I'd be surprised if it cost 5. The
company sells it on their website for a retail price of $22. They also
sell
it to distributors and large retailers/etailers for about $10. A small
retailer buys from the distributor for about $15 (sometimes known as a
"jobber's" price). He's pretty much stuck with selling at retail. The
large
companies will perform a (sometimes ongoing) price/movement analysis to
figure out which price to sell it at to maximize their profit. Competition
from other large retailers has a big affect on this price. They want to
capture the largest market share possible, but make as much money on the
item as they can. They have to find the sweet spot. So, the etailer may
decide the best price is $21, where they can sell 100 Silencers a day. At
$22 they lose a large market share to other large and small retailers, and
at $20 they're just throwing away profit because it won't increase sales
that much. Usually the price will be less than retail, but of course, as
we
can see now, they can sell items like the NV5 Silencer for double the
retail
price and still sell out of them.

The rule of thumb is, if you can't make at least 10% NET profit (that's
after expenses), you're better off investing your money. I hear Google is
doing very well :)

Gary
 
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news.easynet.co.uk

Yeah check out tomshardware new write up on the new s939 boards.
Dual ddr400 blows any Intel chip, or should I say girl guide biscuit away.

Also you get buffer protection in xp plus native 64bit mode if you like
playing with linux etc.

Oh perhaps you are a feeble microsoft ME user and just want to do what your
12yr old girlfriend says and buy Intel like her fag dad.

Ok, so maybe a little hardcore, but if you have got this far then you can
read toms new review and make your own mind up :]

Rich
 
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news.easynet.co.uk

Ok so I got it all wrong, well at least part of it.. The site is Anandtech

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2128

"It was difficult to resist being a little sensationalist in this 939
roundup and titling the review, "Who needs 925X?" That would have been a
fair title, however, since you can clearly see that all of the Socket
939/FX53 boards completely outperform Intel's top 560 on the top 925X
motherboard. Even Media Encoding, the last bastion of Intel dominance, is
now a dead heat with the new AutoGK benchmark. "



news.easynet.co.uk said:
Yeah check out tomshardware new write up on the new s939 boards.
Dual ddr400 blows any Intel chip, or should I say girl guide biscuit away.

Also you get buffer protection in xp plus native 64bit mode if you like
playing with linux etc.

Oh perhaps you are a feeble microsoft ME user and just want to do what
your 12yr old girlfriend says and buy Intel like her fag dad.

Ok, so maybe a little hardcore, but if you have got this far then you can
read toms new review and make your own mind up :]

Rich

John Lewis said:
On 8/22/04 Intel announced price drops of their desktop P4 processors
averaging ~ 25 %, both Prescott and Northwood.

I notice that this price-drop has not yet rolled through to some
on-line retailers yet, such as www.newegg.com............. If you are
contemplating an Intel processor-purchase, you may want to
keep your money in your pocket for a couple more weeks.

The prices of all versions of the P4 Extreme-edition did NOT
move.

John Lewis
 
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John Lewis

Thanks.. Looks like I'm getting close to upgrading already. I just got
a 2.6c 800fsb about 4 months ago. Thinking I'll get a 3.4E next time.

Prescott ? Don't !!! Unless you want a furnace in your PC
and limited overclock without water-cooling.

See http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/default.asp

for the necessary spec-comparisons.

Maybe Intel will have solved their 90nm leakage problems
early next year.

See www.anandtech.com and www.tomshardware.com
re Prescott vs Northwood.

I shall be buying a 3.2C/800 and overclocking probably
to not more than 3.4-3.5GHz. Will still run lots cooler
than a 3.4 Prescott. ( Currently, I have a 3.06/533
o/c'd to 3.35 GHz that I will be passing on to another
machine )

John Lewis
 
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Barry Watzman

Actually, you are incorrect. Intel publishes pricing roadmaps a few
months in advance, and all of their major customers and OEMs know LONG
in advance when prices will be cut (and to what). These are often
leaked to the trade press and published, most often at:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/
 
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Barry Watzman

Actually, you are incorrect. Intel publishes pricing roadmaps a few
months in advance, and all of their major customers and OEMs know LONG
in advance when prices will be cut (and to what). These are often
leaked to the trade press and published, most often at:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/
 
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Wayne Youngman

Intel announces price cuts months in advance you dumb ****.


LOL!

you will get your filthy mouth cleaned with a bar of soap if you carry on
talking like that :p

NOW GET OUT MY OFFICE!
 
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Wayne Youngman

Oh perhaps you are a feeble microsoft ME user and just want to do what your
12yr old girlfriend says and buy Intel like her fag dad.


Hmmmmmmm!

How old are you exactly?
 

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