install xp on 2 partitions ?

[- Bobb -]

Currently have X64 on C and XP on E.
I want XP on C ... My question: with XP already on E can I also install
it on C ?
I figure'd I'd do new XP install to C, then install XP and my apps to C/
reboot. Then can drag/drop folders from my "old install" on E: to the
new one ( my mail etc). I booted the Cd and came to " repair current XP
install or start fresh ?" I was gonna choose "start fresh" and just
wanted to check that XP on E will be OK after I hit <CR> ( so I could
still multiboot). After C is all set then will wipe E with X64
install.

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

Currently have X64 on C and XP on E.
I want XP on C ... My question: with XP already on E can I also install
it on C ?
I figure'd I'd do new XP install to C, then install XP and my apps to C/
reboot. Then can drag/drop folders from my "old install" on E: to the
new one ( my mail etc). I booted the Cd and came to " repair current XP
install or start fresh ?" I was gonna choose "start fresh" and just
wanted to check that XP on E will be OK after I hit <CR> ( so I could
still multiboot). After C is all set then will wipe E with X64
install.

I think you will get lost with your scheme. Here is what you wrote:
1. I'd do new XP install to C
2. then install XP and my apps to C/
3. reboot
4. Then can drag/drop folders from my "old install" on E: to the
new one ( my mail etc)

Steps 1 and 2 appear to be the same. Step 4 is too vague to
make any sense.

In general: You can have several WinXP installations, one on
each drive, as long as you put them into an unoccupied folder.
If you install an older OS on a machine that already has a more
recent OS then you may have to repair the boot process of
the more recent OS.

A far more robust method would consist of using a proper
boot loader so that the OSs are completely independent
of each other. XOSL is such a boot loader and it's free.

 

[- Bobb -]

I think you will get lost with your scheme. Here is what you wrote:
1. I'd do new XP install to C
2. then install my apps to C/
3. reboot
4. Then can drag/drop folders from my "old install" on E: to the
new one ( my mail etc)

Steps 1 and 2 appear to be the same. Step 4 is too vague to
make any sense.

You're right - typo sorry
Currently C= X64 , E: = XPPro
Objective = to get XPPro on C ( don't care about X64 install for now)

1. Install XP on C: ( by first formatting C: partition - overwriting
X64 )
2. Install rest of my apps/drivers to C
3. Would then still have previous XP install on E: ( with my Outlook,
files etc) , and newly installed XP and apps on C (with none of my
personal data)
4. reboot
5. Copy My documents / my data files from E to the appropriate folders
on C: ( for instance my Money data, favorites etc) . Would then have
desired apps and my data on the newly installed XP on C (and can then
ignore E
6. When all is well, then I will install X64 on E ( overwriting current
XP).

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

You're right - typo sorry
Currently C= X64 , E: = XPPro
Objective = to get XPPro on C ( don't care about X64 install for now)

1. Install XP on C: ( by first formatting C: partition - overwriting
X64 )
2. Install rest of my apps/drivers to C
3. Would then still have previous XP install on E: ( with my Outlook,
files etc) , and newly installed XP and apps on C (with none of my
personal data)
4. reboot
5. Copy My documents / my data files from E to the appropriate folders
on C: ( for instance my Money data, favorites etc) . Would then have
desired apps and my data on the newly installed XP on C (and can then
ignore E
6. When all is well, then I will install X64 on E ( overwriting current
XP).

This makes it a lot clearer, and yes, this will work, as long as
you take care not to format drive E: during the installation phase.

If this was my machine then I would seize the opportunity and
install a proper boot loader now, rather than relying on the very
basic one that comes with WinXP.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

In general: You can have several WinXP installations, one on
each drive, as long as you put them into an unoccupied folder.

I think you meant "...several WinXP installations, all in the
same partition if you want, as long as you put them into
different currently-unoccupied folders." There are enough
questions in this NG on how to get rid of the 2nd OS in the
same partition to prove *that*.

If by "drive" you meant "partition" - as in Local Disk - you're right.
If by "drive" you mean "hard drive" - that is twice overly restrictive.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

I think you meant "...several WinXP installations, all in the
same partition if you want, as long as you put them into
different currently-unoccupied folders." There are enough
questions in this NG on how to get rid of the 2nd OS in the
same partition to prove *that*.

If by "drive" you meant "partition" - as in Local Disk - you're right.
If by "drive" you mean "hard drive" - that is twice overly restrictive.

*TimDaniels*

To me a drive is a partition that has been assigned a drive
letter.

A disk to me is a piece of hardware. I buy an 80 GByte disk,
not an 80 GByte drive.

Other people use the terms interchangeably, without making
any distinction.

So yes, I suggested that the OP can install Windows in any
partition. However, he should not have two OSs on the one
partition.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

To me a drive is a partition that has been assigned a drive
letter.

OK. I asked because most people don't who post here
don't have a clear idea of "drive", "hard drive" and "partition".

A disk to me is a piece of hardware. I buy an 80 GByte disk,
not an 80 GByte drive.

And Microsoft Disk Manager, in its perversity, calls a
partition a "Local Disk".

Other people use the terms interchangeably, without making
any distinction.

Right. And they can misinterpret your answers because
*their* vocabulary doesn't match *your* vocabulary. It's
also hard to interpret their questions for the same reason.

So yes, I suggested that the OP can install Windows in any
partition. However, he should not have two OSs on the one
partition.

Well, I agree, although 2 OSes in one partition does work
if they're in different folders. Just recently, there was a guy
in these NGs who was dual-booting successfully between
WINDOWS and WINNT folders in the same partition and
wanted to know how to get rid of WinNT.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

Well, I agree, although 2 OSes in one partition does work
if they're in different folders. Just recently, there was a guy
in these NGs who was dual-booting successfully between
WINDOWS and WINNT folders in the same partition and
wanted to know how to get rid of WinNT.

*TimDaniels*

Yes and no. The OS will work but you are likely to get
interference between applications, because they use the
same Program Files folder. Outlook Express is one such
candidate. This is why installation of two OSs on the one
partition is not recommended.

 

[- Bobb -]

This makes it a lot clearer, and yes, this will work, as long as
you take care not to format drive E: during the installation phase.

If this was my machine then I would seize the opportunity and
install a proper boot loader now, rather than relying on the very
basic one that comes with WinXP.

===========
OK - I did the install to C: ( so now can boot either C (newXP install) or E
(old) )
Having done so, I thought I could run Outlook Express on C , close it ,then
copy my accounts/newsgroups folders (all the.dbx stuff). The email (Local
Folders) is fine ( copied to the new install nicely - I open mail and have
all my old stuff), BUT newsgroups didn't work as planned. I have about 10
newsgroups in MS folder and another 10 in my ISP folder - they don't show
up. I then created the 2 news accounts - open them ( like this one) and it
opens fine. Why can't I close OE and then copy my old dbx folders from the
same spot on E: into the C:\Documents and Settings\Bobb\Local
Settings\Application Data\Identities\{ABCDEF- etc}\Microsoft\Outlook Express
folder on C. I did so and reopened OE expecting to see all my newsgroups
populated with all the stuff I've already downloaded. Not a big deal - I
could map/download the info, just trying to learn - what"s special here?"

Thanks,
Bobb

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Yes and no. The OS will work but you are likely to get
interference between applications, because they use the
same Program Files folder. Outlook Express is one such
candidate. This is why installation of two OSs on the one
partition is not recommended.

You know, that's interesting because it implies that what
a user writes in a Program Files file while running one of
the OSes will interfere with what he wants to do with that
same file when using the other OS. What sort of file in
Program Files would be sensitive to which OS was
running during a user's access of that file? You mentioned
Outlook Express, but my Outlook Express is in an entirely
different folder from Program Files. As for My Documents,
say, why should I care which OS was running when I last
accessed a .doc file?

*TimDaniels*
be sensi

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

===========
OK - I did the install to C: ( so now can boot either C (newXP install) or E
(old) )
Having done so, I thought I could run Outlook Express on C , close it ,then
copy my accounts/newsgroups folders (all the.dbx stuff). The email (Local
Folders) is fine ( copied to the new install nicely - I open mail and have
all my old stuff), BUT newsgroups didn't work as planned. I have about 10
newsgroups in MS folder and another 10 in my ISP folder - they don't show
up. I then created the 2 news accounts - open them ( like this one) and it
opens fine. Why can't I close OE and then copy my old dbx folders from the
same spot on E: into the C:\Documents and Settings\Bobb\Local
Settings\Application Data\Identities\{ABCDEF- etc}\Microsoft\Outlook Express
folder on C. I did so and reopened OE expecting to see all my newsgroups
populated with all the stuff I've already downloaded. Not a big deal - I
could map/download the info, just trying to learn - what"s special here?"

Thanks,
Bobb

I have a vague idea what's wrong but I'm not sufficiently competent
to speak with any degree of authority. Try an Outlook Express
newsgroup - that's where you'll find the experts.

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

You know, that's interesting because it implies that what
a user writes in a Program Files file while running one of
the OSes will interfere with what he wants to do with that
same file when using the other OS. What sort of file in
Program Files would be sensitive to which OS was
running during a user's access of that file? You mentioned
Outlook Express, but my Outlook Express is in an entirely
different folder from Program Files. As for My Documents,
say, why should I care which OS was running when I last
accessed a .doc file?

*TimDaniels*
be sensi

Outlook Express is by default installed in this folder:
"c:\Program Files\Outlook Express", probably even on
your own machine. It appears to have some settings that
are OS-specific. The same might apply to Internet Explorer.

 

[Ron Sommer]

===========
OK - I did the install to C: ( so now can boot either C (newXP install) or
E (old) )
Having done so, I thought I could run Outlook Express on C , close it
,then copy my accounts/newsgroups folders (all the.dbx stuff). The email
(Local Folders) is fine ( copied to the new install nicely - I open mail
and have all my old stuff), BUT newsgroups didn't work as planned. I have
about 10 newsgroups in MS folder and another 10 in my ISP folder - they
don't show up. I then created the 2 news accounts - open them ( like this
one) and it opens fine. Why can't I close OE and then copy my old dbx
folders from the same spot on E: into the C:\Documents and
Settings\Bobb\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\{ABCDEF-
etc}\Microsoft\Outlook Express folder on C. I did so and reopened OE
expecting to see all my newsgroups populated with all the stuff I've
already downloaded. Not a big deal - I could map/download the info, just
trying to learn - what"s special here?"

Thanks,
Bobb

Clone one OE, so that both systems are using the same message store.
The Registry settings don't match, if you just move dbx files.
http://www.insideoe.com/backup/clone.htm

 

[Timothy Daniels]

"Pegasus (MVP)"

Outlook Express is by default installed in this folder:
"c:\Program Files\Outlook Express", probably even on
your own machine. It appears to have some settings that
are OS-specific. The same might apply to Internet Explorer.

If I ever get around to running a test on the situation,
I'll post what I found. The WinXP installation CD gives
the option of naming the OS's folder, and it may be to
enable some envisioned legitimate use for 2 OSes in
one partition. In any event, it doesn't caution NOT to
do so, and I find that tittilating.

*TimDaniels*