install windows 2000 with preinstalled windows XP in Dell Inspiron.

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Joe

I just bought DELL Inspiron with Windows XP pre-installed. But I want
to install Windows 2000 instead and get rid of Windows XP. Is it ok to
do that? What will be the drawbacks? What if I want to restore back to
Windows XP later? There is no recovery CD in the package, but just
press F11 key in the startup process.
(http://support.dell.com/support/top.../en/document?dn=1090151&c=us&l=en&cs=04&s=bsd).
The problem is after I install Windows 2000, can I still restore back
to Windows XP by that key??

anyone has similar experience??

Please advise. thanks!!
 
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Jay B

you should be able to do that no problem ...
xp is much better than 2000 in many ways.
not sure why you would want to do that..
just make sure you have your win2k drivers handy from the website.
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

Replacing Windows XP with the old Windows 2000
operating system is not recommended. You'll be
very disappointed. If you insist on installing Windows 2000,
it would be best if you purchased a new hard drive and
then install it after removing the Windows XP hard drive.

This step-by-step article describes how to make your Microsoft
Windows XP desktop look like the desktop in the Windows 2000
operating system:

HOW TO: Use the Windows Classic Theme in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;294309

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User
Microsoft Community Newsgroups
news://msnews.microsoft.com/

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"Joe" wrote:

| I just bought DELL Inspiron with Windows XP pre-installed. But I want
| to install Windows 2000 instead and get rid of Windows XP. Is it ok to
| do that? What will be the drawbacks? What if I want to restore back to
| Windows XP later? There is no recovery CD in the package, but just
| press F11 key in the startup process.
| (http://support.dell.com/support/top.../en/document?dn=1090151&c=us&l=en&cs=04&s=bsd).
| The problem is after I install Windows 2000, can I still restore back
| to Windows XP by that key??
|
| anyone has similar experience??
|
| Please advise. thanks!!
 
H

Hank Arnold

Take this with grain of salt....

I believe you can do it. The restore function, from what I can tell, is
based on a hidden partition and the BIOS, so yeah...probably. If possible,
I'd suggest a Ghost (or the like) image first, just in case.

Be sure to go to the Dell web site and download all the W2K drivers for the
hardware *before* you do anything and burn them to a CD.

Having said that, I think it's a mistake. XP is superior to W2K and you can
customize it to eliminate many of the concerns you have (probably mostly
with the interface). Also, support for W2K is scheduled to stop and it's not
clear how long patches and updates will be issued....
 
D

David TY

FWIW downgrading XP home to windows 2000 is not permissible.
(according to the licence.)

I prefer win2000 to XP for general office and development use.

DK melbourne.au
 
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Tom Scales

Why? There's nothing you can do in 2000 that you can't do in XP and XP is a
more stable version of 2000. I would not count on drivers being available
for 2000.
 
R

Richard Urban

If you do a clean install, anything is permissible, as long as you have the
Windows 2000 CD and the license to use it.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
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Bruce Chambers

Joe said:
I just bought DELL Inspiron with Windows XP pre-installed. But I want
to install Windows 2000 instead and get rid of Windows XP. Is it ok to
do that?


It's your computer, so it's your choice, so long as you have a
legitimate Win2K license to install on the PC.


What will be the drawbacks?


You'll be using an obsolete operating system for which there may well
be no compatible device drivers to operate the computer's motherboard
chipset, video, audio, network, and USB controllers. So check with each
individual device manufacturer (*NOT* Dell - they won't support this
action) for the availability of Win2K-specific device drivers before
proceeding. Also, removing the factory-installed operating system will
void any technical support agreement with Dell, and may also void the
PC's warranty altogether - read the warranty (and consult an attorney,
if necessary) before proceeding.

What if I want to restore back to
Windows XP later?


Microsoft requires its licensed OEM computer manufacturers to
provide a means of returning the computer to its original, ex-factory
state. The particular method of recovery, however, is left entirely to
the discretion of each individual computer manufacturer.

Legally, the OEM has met it's contractual obligation to Microsoft
by providing a means of returning the PC to its ex-factory state,
whether it's a Recovery CD or a Recovery Partition. They are not
legally obliged to provide a true installation CD as part of the sale.
Reputable, customer-service aware OEMs, like Gateway, do provide a full
OEM installation CD, that does permit custom installations and repairs.
However, many uncaring OEMs, such as eMachines, Compaq, HP, and Sony,
in an effort to save pennies and reduce their support costs by having to
hire support people that need only say "Boot from the Recovery CD to
return your PC to its original condition," provide only a CD bearing a
disk image of the hard drive as it left the factory.


There is no recovery CD in the package, but just
press F11 key in the startup process.
(http://support.dell.com/support/top.../en/document?dn=1090151&c=us&l=en&cs=04&s=bsd).
The problem is after I install Windows 2000, can I still restore back
to Windows XP by that key??


This will not work for you. If you delete the WinXP partitions and
install Win2K, you will not be able to later change your mind and
re-install WinXP. That would require the use of an Installation CD.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH
 
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BC

What a bunch of clueless, Microsoft toadying answers.
Windows XP has turned out to be high maintenance
crap compared to Windows 2000 and 98SE. In any
environment with a mix of different OS's, you'll find that
the XP machines, especially ones more than one or two
years old, are the ones that suck up the bulk of any
maintenance or troubleshooting time. As a matter of fact,
the slowest PC's I've ever worked on have been 1st and
2nd generation XP machines with something like 1.5 Ghz
P4's and 256 Mb of memory. Adding more memory helps
a bit, but that little "Windows Rot" issue that affects all
versions of Windows seems to really affect XP far more
than the other versions.

With that said, there are a couple of gotchas when
retrofitting earlier Windows versions, which I've done
quite a bit for people fed up with XP or just wanting a
nice, fast, secure PC:

1) Chances are Windows 2000 won't recognize the
video, network, sound card, and USB chipset in the
PC, so you should identify the drivers and get these
downloaded and stored someplace handy. Dell MIGHT
have some Windows 2000 drivers on their site, but
chances are they won't. Dell, though, tends to use
Intel for their motherboard supplier and Intel has been
generally good at providing drivers for all versions of
OS.

So find out what chipsets are being used and see
if you get get the Win2k drivers for them. If you can't
do this, then you probably go no further.

2) You probably have enough space on your hard
to keep WinXp and add 2k in a second partition for
dual booting. You'll need to buy a utility for this like
Acronis Partition Expert. A description for using it
is here:
http://www.theeldergeek.com/hard_drives_05.htm

You will find two partitions on the Inspiron: the drive
C: partion and the hidden one that's used for recovery.
I've found that system recovery causes a lot more
grief than not to people not really understanding what
that really does to their PC. Still, you can just leave
it alone if you want and just resize down the the
existing XP partition. With the free space you create
two new partitions: a FAT32 for the Win2k system,
and then either a FAT32 or NTFS partition for data.
8Gb would be more than enough space for the Win2k
partition and then use whatever's leftover for the data
partition. Me and others prefer keeping system stuff
separate from data. And I prefer FAT32 for the system
partition in the case of any needed troubleshooting
down the road.

New Xp PC's tend come with a ton of crapware,
including demos, that you should uninstall in any
case. Get rid of any McAfee and Norton stuff
especially if they are just demos. Once you finish
uninstalling the stuff you don't want or need, then
download and install Crap Cleaner from here:
http://www.ccleaner.com. This will purge the
system of a lot of junk files. The end result will be
a smaller Xp system if you want to resize things
down a bit. If you keep Xp, you should do this
anyway, but be sure to replace McAfee or Norton
with a good antivirus software (F-prot, F-Secure, AVG
Pro, etc. Go here for more info:
http://www.claymania.org/anti-virus.html

AVG Pro w/Firewall is only $50 for a 2 yr license
and is probably the "best buy" of the commercial
products.

3) If you do get Win2k running, you'll be pretty
pleased, if not shocked with the performance
increase over the preinstalled Xp. To be fair, though,
a lot of those preinstalled crapware programs will
be responsible for Xp's relative tepid performance,
but still, faster is faster, and it won't slow down like
Xp.

Hope this helps and feel free to totally ignore any
inevitable forthcoming nonsense coming from any
of the MVP's regarding any of this.

-BC
 
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Tom Scales

If you're having that much trouble with XP, then I would suggest you take a
class. It is very stable in shops where the techs have appropriate training
and understand what the operating system for which they are responsible.

P4-1.5 with 256MB is a very, very entry level machine for XP. That's common
knowledge. It's also a machine well past its useful life and fully
depreciated. Your company should consider modern machines, especially
considering the cost of the hardware pales in comparison to the effort of
the technicians -- particularly ones that are untrained or poorly trained.
 
B

Bruce Chambers

BC said:
What a bunch of clueless, Microsoft toadying answers.
Windows XP has turned out to be high maintenance
crap compared to Windows 2000 and 98SE.


Complete and utter nonsense.

In any
environment with a mix of different OS's,


..... with which you apparently have absolutely no experience, or you'd
not be making such patently absurd claims.

you'll find that
the XP machines, especially ones more than one or two
years old, are the ones that suck up the bulk of any
maintenance or troubleshooting time.

Actually, I've found just the opposite. But then, I do know how to
properly install, configure, and secure an OS. If you start out from
ineptitude, you'll only go downhill.

As a matter of fact,
the slowest PC's I've ever worked on have been 1st and
2nd generation XP machines with something like 1.5 Ghz
P4's and 256 Mb of memory. Adding more memory helps
a bit, but that little "Windows Rot" issue that affects all
versions of Windows seems to really affect XP far more
than the other versions.


And how much video memory do the video adapters of these PCs have?
Admittedly, the GUI enhancements of WinXP require more in the way of
video capabilities than does Win2K. If one is using bargain-basement
hardware with an integrated video chip that's wasting system memory,
WinXP will be somewhat slower than Win2k. However, this is easily
addressed by a few simple mouse clicks. And there's no such thing as
"Windows rot" to affect any version of Windows.





--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH
 
B

Ben Myers

Because Dell tends to use Intel chipsets in its computers, if Win 2000 drivers
are not available for download on the Dell web site, there is another strategy
to follow:

1. Identify the motherboard, graphics, network and audio chipsets in the
notebook.
2. Go to the Intel web site and download the Win 2000 drivers there for the
motherboard and graphics. If the network chip in the notebook is some variant
of the Intel 10/100 Pro, download those drivers, too.
3. For audio, go to the web site of the audio chip manufacturer for the audio
chip drivers.
4. After installing the basic Windows 2000, install the motherboard chipset
FIRST! Very important to install the motherboard chipset before any other
hardware drivers. Then install graphics, network and audio drivers.

This works because the chipset manufacturers refuse to build special chips any
more, and the drivers from the Dell (or IBM, or Compaq, or etc) web site, when
available, are little more than repackaged drivers from the chipset
manufacturer.

I hope this helps... Ben Myers
 
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BC

If you're having that much trouble with XP, then I would suggest you take a
class. It is very stable in shops where the techs have appropriate training
and understand what the operating system for which they are responsible.

This is an example of the forthcoming nonsense I
mentioned. Beware of these low-tech MS cretins
pretending to know a damn thing beyond being
able to install Microsoft products on a new PC, and
even then.....

-BC
 
B

Ben Myers

One more thing I forgot to mention. For the foreseeable future, Intel is
carrying Windows 2000 driver support forward for even its newest 900-series
chipsets, both desktop and laptop. This is because the driver APIs are very
much the same between XP and 2000. But it is not too hard to imagine a time
when Intel will no longer develop drivers for Windows 2000... Ben Myers
 
J

John John

I don't think that you know all that much suggesting that the OP will
have to buy partitioning software for a one time use and that it's best
to install Windows 2000 on FAT32 because it's easier to troubleshoot
down the road. Obviously you don't know of the FAT32 file system
limitations, of the NTFS security and permissions and of the Windows
2000 Recovery Console. To be fair some of the advice you have given is
good but some of it is just plain bad.

John
 
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BC

Nope. I do way, WAY too much of this
stuff. NTFS security is a joke, and
combined with the nature of the newer
worms, you're a fool to use NTFS for
the system partition on any critical PC.
I keep this little floppy handy that can
reset the password on any XP/2K PC
in several seconds. Recovery Console
is a sad ass joke when you're in a hurry
to get things cleaned and/or up and
running.

There is *no* good substitute for a
genuine C: prompt for serious
troubleshooting.

-BC
 
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Tom Scales

BC said:
This is an example of the forthcoming nonsense I
mentioned. Beware of these low-tech MS cretins
pretending to know a damn thing beyond being
able to install Microsoft products on a new PC, and
even then.....

-BC

You make me laugh. Hiding behind MS hatred is often the position of the
inferior
 
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Tom Scales

BC said:
Nope. I do way, WAY too much of this
stuff. NTFS security is a joke, and
combined with the nature of the newer
worms, you're a fool to use NTFS for
the system partition on any critical PC.
I keep this little floppy handy that can
reset the password on any XP/2K PC
in several seconds. Recovery Console
is a sad ass joke when you're in a hurry
to get things cleaned and/or up and
running.

There is *no* good substitute for a
genuine C: prompt for serious
troubleshooting.

-BC

Let me guess. Your home PC still runs Windows 98 because it is the most
stable Windows. Or does it run 3.11.
 
J

John John

What a pile of malarchy! The worms have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with
the file system! NOTHING, period! An unpatched and unprotected NT
system will get these worms and virus regardless of the file system on
which it is installed, including FAT16. If you think having Windows
2000 on a FAT32 file system with 32k clusters is a good idea then good
for you. As for your floppy password reset utility these things work on
all file systems. As for the C prompt for troubleshooting that is a bit
irrelevant, but I do have to admit that I do not like having operating
systems on drives other than C so that is why I prefer third party boot
managers. But that is not for troubleshooting purposes, it is more for
day to day use and maintenance of the operating system.

John
 
B

BC

What a pile of malarchy! The worms have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with
the file system! NOTHING, period!

*System Partition* dumbass. Gawd, there's nothing like
a little Xp bashing to bring out the MS cretins. You
guys are the tech equivalent of Bush supporters. Go
find another profession for the good of the tech
community.

-BC
 

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