IIc (3c,4c, and 6100c as well) scanner lamp replacement

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ES

Oh, ye, the faithful of comp.periphs scanner, why have
you forsaken me? Where is your support for this project of paramount
proportions -- to bring about the eventual downfall of HP by making its
IIx, 3C, 4C, and 6100C legal-size flatbed scanners forever serviceable?

I have succeeded!

HP wanted $250 plus shipping to replace a lightbulb??????? I have done
it for six bucks! Yes, only 600 coppers. HP, you should have left
sleeping dogs lie.

I replaced the lamp assembly in the IIx, which is very similar to that
of the 3C, 4C, and 6100C.

At first I wasn't sure if the bulbs (the IIx requires two) were
fluorescent. I ended up using two bulbs from Leuci, an Italian firm, as
it was nearly all that is available to me in eastern Europe. The bulb
box information is 8W T5 Preheat Daylight 6500K. The writing on the
bulb is a bit different. I'll append such information later, as the
bulbs have already been installed in the scanner .

The major issue at stake was just seeing whether I could get $1.25 (@
$8.00 in the U.S.) bulbs to light up in the scanner: would the wattage,
voltage, and whatever be correct.

Of secondary concern was whether the bulbs would shine brightly enough,
as the scanner's original fluorescent bulb has a strip of clear glass
tubing that allows an incredible brightness to reflect upon the scanning
bed. Well, I tested the scanner an hour ago, and I still have a
headache from the two Leucis. Don't know if this is a good thing ;)

I chose the Leuci bulbs because they have a Kelvin rating of 6500,
similar to a recommended bulb on Wayne Fulton's site.

Funny thing is that when I tested these bulbs in the socket at the
lighting shop, they were not very bright at all. I was amazed at their
brightness when I fired them up in the scanner. I'm still seeing
spots. Might anyone know what electrical parameter in the scanner's
wiring would make these bulbs brighter than they were when tested in the
shop? The next object of my curiosity is to test the output of the
scanning lamp's wiring scheme.

When I fired up the scanner with the "EddieGlow"(TM) replacement lamp,
no sparks flew and no abnormal noises were heard. The bulbs fired up
more slowly than the original HP bulbs. The original bulbs lit at once,
the Leucis from left to right.

I have yet to make an actual scan, as now I have to make sure I can even
reinstall the drivers correctly in Win 98se. (Oh, HP, you ought to be
whipped. You may have screwed us on the drivers, but, baby, I've got
you by the _____ on the lamp.) I don't anticipate any significant
problems, since all we're really dealing with here is light. The light
works, the mirrors can reflect, and the sensors can pick up whatever
information it is they pick up. Scanning technology is quite a mystery
to me. How do you get an analog image onto a chip?

There is one problem that may come up. If the scanner expects the bulbs
to reach a certain temperature or brightness or whatever before
scanning, I'm not sure the "EddieGlow" (TM) replacement lamp will match
the proper specs. I'll make the final tests in the next 24 hours,
supreme being(s) willing that the driver installation won't drive me
insane. It's difficult for me just to mention HP and drivers within the
same two paragraphs.

All right, I now need some fresh air, so am going out for a walk
preparatory to final testing.

In conclusion of this post, I wish to extend my great appreciation to
Wayne Fulton, whose incredible scanning site provided me the motivation
to apply most of his findings on the HPs. Also I wish to acknowledge
gratitude to "Barbara", the only other soul on the internet who at one
time was crazy enough to attempt this very same feat but,
unfortunately, was unable to see the project through. Barbara, I am
only carrying the torch you lit. JP Roberts, Mac McDougald, and
winddancing (private email), your contributions to this thread and tacit
support have aided me during the critical stages of this experiment
(Those of you with helpful knowledge of matters concerning this thread
who did not raise voices against HP, well, you ought to be whipped
along side the Great Satan, albeit a bit lighter). Victor Roberts, your
private email exchanges stemming from my out-of-the-blue request for
technical information were enormously instrumental in advancing this
effort past the initial fear of blowing myself up and burning down my
residence (not necessarily in that order). And finally, I wish to thank
the entire Internet community (barring those lost souls already
mentioned) whose profound wisdom, expertise and insight have
successfully guided me over the years on projects ranging from
photography, PC upgrading, and Mexican cooking to traveling, politics,
and history. My work here is only a humble addition to the cornucopia
of your gracious contributions that make the Internet, at times, a
fount of useful and enriching collective information rather than a
stagnant cesspool of misinformation and an absolute waste of time. I
stand upon the shoulders of giants.

Your humble servant,

ES



P.S. Oh, yeah, and I've got pics, lots of pics.
P.P.S. To all those representatives of light bulb manufacturers and
distributors who were either unable or unwilling to respond to my emails
in any way resembling an answer, front and center alongside HP, drawers
down. SMACK!!!!!!SMACK!!!!SMACK!!!! You dogs!!!
 
J

JohnY

Oh, ye, the faithful of comp.periphs scanner, why have
you forsaken me? Where is your support for this project of paramount
proportions -- to bring about the eventual downfall of HP by making its
IIx, 3C, 4C, and 6100C legal-size flatbed scanners forever serviceable?

I have succeeded!

HP wanted $250 plus shipping to replace a lightbulb??????? I have done
it for six bucks! Yes, only 600 coppers. HP, you should have left
sleeping dogs lie.

I replaced the lamp assembly in the IIx, which is very similar to that
of the 3C, 4C, and 6100C.

At first I wasn't sure if the bulbs (the IIx requires two) were
fluorescent. I ended up using two bulbs from Leuci, an Italian firm, as
it was nearly all that is available to me in eastern Europe. The bulb
box information is 8W T5 Preheat Daylight 6500K. The writing on the
bulb is a bit different. I'll append such information later, as the
bulbs have already been installed in the scanner .

The major issue at stake was just seeing whether I could get $1.25 (@
$8.00 in the U.S.) bulbs to light up in the scanner: would the wattage,
voltage, and whatever be correct.

Your humble servant,

ES



P.S. Oh, yeah, and I've got pics, lots of pics.
P.P.S. To all those representatives of light bulb manufacturers and
distributors who were either unable or unwilling to respond to my emails
in any way resembling an answer, front and center alongside HP, drawers
down. SMACK!!!!!!SMACK!!!!SMACK!!!! You dogs!!!


ES,
I'm looking forward to hearing more about your IIc adventures. You see,
I have just discovered that my built likd a tank IIcx is ailing.... but
your post about your IIc having 2 bulbs has given me hope. I can see one
tube lighting for warmup but during the calibration pass and the scan pass
there is no light. At first I thought that I had a software problem and
did lots of testing with different software in Linux, win2k, and WinME
(deskscan, Precision Pro (yes it does work on the IIc), vuescan (linux and
windows), and sane (on Linux). I also tested with 4 different scsi cards -
3940, 2940, symbios 53c825a, and buslogic 930lw. just to make sure my IIcx
was able to communicate properly on the faster machine that I moved it to
in Dec 2003.
I was beginning to suspect a scanner problem, because no matter what os
or software or scsi card I was using would I get light during the scan
pass (Although I could turn the long tube on for warmup and I could switch
it off under software control) I haven't opened the scanner up yet but
from your post it looks like one of the 2 bulbs may be burned out. Is the
2nd bulb in the black head that moves ? I would be really interested in
hearing more about your disassmbly and testing.

Thanks,

JohnY
 
E

ES

I hope my post was helpful. However, I have yet to actually test a
scan, as I now can not get my computer to communicate with the IIc.

I'll email you an annotated PDF with pics and brief descriptions of what
I did. It's nothing too difficult.

If you do attempt replacing the bulbs, I am certain you will have to
replace both.

Keep in mind that I'm not sure if I have accomplished total success. I
can get the lamps ti light, but do not yet have an actual scan.

If you are thinking about attempting this job, I suggest two Sylvania
Design 50s. They have a 90+ brightness rating.

I'll write more later. Gotta run.

ES
 
J

JohnY

I hope my post was helpful. However, I have yet to actually test a
scan, as I now can not get my computer to communicate with the IIc.

I'll email you an annotated PDF with pics and brief descriptions of what
I did. It's nothing too difficult.

If you do attempt replacing the bulbs, I am certain you will have to
replace both.

Keep in mind that I'm not sure if I have accomplished total success. I
can get the lamps ti light, but do not yet have an actual scan.

If you are thinking about attempting this job, I suggest two Sylvania
Design 50s. They have a 90+ brightness rating.

I'll write more later. Gotta run.

ES


ES,

Look forward to seeing your mail. I have a question. In the scan pass
are both of the bulbs "on"? Because in all by tests, during warmup I can
see light. During what I think is calibration no light and during the scan
pass no light. Before I remove the top and go after it with a multimeter,
I'd like to gather hints on whether one of the 2 bulbs are out or not.

JohnY
 
M

Mac McDougald

ES,

Look forward to seeing your mail. I have a question. In the scan pass
are both of the bulbs "on"? Because in all by tests, during warmup I can
see light. During what I think is calibration no light and during the scan
pass no light. Before I remove the top and go after it with a multimeter,
I'd like to gather hints on whether one of the 2 bulbs are out or not.

JohnY

Can assure you that with HP IIcx, BOTH bulbs are on during BOTH preview
AND final scan.

Mac
 
J

JohnY

Can assure you that with HP IIcx, BOTH bulbs are on during BOTH preview
AND final scan.

Mac
So in my case of light during warm up and no light at any other time -
does that mean that the lamp driver assembly (power supply?) is bad ?
Are the bulbs inline side by side or one above the other? I see a line of
light that extends across the top edge of the scanner glass during warm up
but no light at anyother time during the scanning process.

Befuddled, and appreciating the help,

JohnY
 
M

Mac McDougald

So in my case of light during warm up and no light at any other time -
does that mean that the lamp driver assembly (power supply?) is bad ?
Are the bulbs inline side by side or one above the other? I see a line of
light that extends across the top edge of the scanner glass during warm up
but no light at anyother time during the scanning process.

Befuddled, and appreciating the help,

JohnY

I have no idea what the prob is.
But the bulbs are side by side with a gap inbetween.

Incidentally, I have factory refurb IIcx in the closet, never used except
to check proper working condition. Been meaning to sell it. (I still have
TWO in operation, but figure at least one will last another 5-10 years!)
 

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