ICS behaves strange - interrupts while 2nd DUN connection is open

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Thomas Osthege

Hi NG,

On my server ICS is activated for a DSL connection. Working perfectly
most of time except:

There is another ISDN connection in the DUN that gets opened to access
the web for a minute or two occasionally. For this connection ICS is not
activated. When this connection is active, the internet connection(s) of
the other computer(s) in the LAN that use the ICS hang. As soon as the
ISDN connection is closed, ICS works perfectly again.

I have the idea (but I'm not sure) that this was different a while ago.
Cannot remember any other changes.

Does someone have an idea or is there a switch in the registry?

TIA and have a sunny sunday!

Thomas

Thomas (at) Osthege (dot) de
 
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Steve Winograd [MVP]

" Thomas Osthege" said:
Hi NG,

On my server ICS is activated for a DSL connection. Working perfectly
most of time except:

There is another ISDN connection in the DUN that gets opened to access
the web for a minute or two occasionally. For this connection ICS is not
activated. When this connection is active, the internet connection(s) of
the other computer(s) in the LAN that use the ICS hang. As soon as the
ISDN connection is closed, ICS works perfectly again.

I have the idea (but I'm not sure) that this was different a while ago.
Cannot remember any other changes.

Does someone have an idea or is there a switch in the registry?

TIA and have a sunny sunday!

Thomas

Thomas (at) Osthege (dot) de

I'd say that's normal behavior. When you open the ISDN connection, it
becomes the default gateway for Internet access, temporarily
overriding the shared DSL connection. The other computers can only
access the Internet through the shared DSL connection. When you close
the ISDN connection, the shared DSL connection becomes the default
gateway again.

If you have an external DSL modem, a solution would be to get a home
broadband router and connect the DSL modem and all of the computers to
it. There would be no need for ICS, and connecting to ISDN on the
former host computer would only affect Internet access on that one
computer.
--
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Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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Thomas Osthege

| In article <[email protected]>, " Thomas Osthege"
| >Hi NG,
| >
| >On my server ICS is activated for a DSL connection. Working perfectly
| >most of time except:
| >
| >There is another ISDN connection in the DUN that gets opened to
access
| >the web for a minute or two occasionally. For this connection ICS is
not
| >activated. When this connection is active, the internet connection(s)
of
| >the other computer(s) in the LAN that use the ICS hang. As soon as
the
| >ISDN connection is closed, ICS works perfectly again.
| >
| >I have the idea (but I'm not sure) that this was different a while
ago.
| >Cannot remember any other changes.
| >
| >Does someone have an idea or is there a switch in the registry?
| >
| >TIA and have a sunny sunday!
| >
| >Thomas
| >
| >Thomas (at) Osthege (dot) de
|
| I'd say that's normal behavior. When you open the ISDN connection, it
| becomes the default gateway for Internet access, temporarily
| overriding the shared DSL connection. The other computers can only
| access the Internet through the shared DSL connection. When you close
| the ISDN connection, the shared DSL connection becomes the default
| gateway again.
|
| If you have an external DSL modem, a solution would be to get a home
| broadband router and connect the DSL modem and all of the computers to
| it. There would be no need for ICS, and connecting to ISDN on the
| former host computer would only affect Internet access on that one
| computer.
| --
| Best Wishes,
| Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
|
| Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
| for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
| addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
|
| Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
| http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Thank you very much, Steve! I appreciate your answer very much.

But I cannot imagine that is the way it should be. In my opinion this
would invalidate the meaning of ICS. Windows should be able to route the
requests from the LAN to the correct connection, independent of what the
default gateway is (especially if the connection is existing already).
Using ICS - how I understand it - means that the default gateway for the
server itself may change while for the connections using ICS it should
stay. This is just my opinion. I know that this may differ to M$'s.

Very often I read recommendations like yours to use some other ore some
more hardware. I know that this could be a solution. But why buy
hardware if all functions could be done by software?

Have a nice day!

Thomas
 
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Steve Winograd [MVP]

" Thomas Osthege" said:
Thank you very much, Steve! I appreciate your answer very much.

But I cannot imagine that is the way it should be. In my opinion this
would invalidate the meaning of ICS. Windows should be able to route the
requests from the LAN to the correct connection, independent of what the
default gateway is (especially if the connection is existing already).
Using ICS - how I understand it - means that the default gateway for the
server itself may change while for the connections using ICS it should
stay. This is just my opinion. I know that this may differ to M$'s.

Very often I read recommendations like yours to use some other ore some
more hardware. I know that this could be a solution. But why buy
hardware if all functions could be done by software?

Have a nice day!

Thomas

You're welcome Thomas. I've done a lot of work with ICS and, to the
best of my knowledge, it isn't possible to have ICS clients
automatically use the host's non-shared ISDN connection when that
connection is open. ICS can only share one connection at a time.

The only software solution I know of would be for you to manually
enable ICS on the ISDN connection when it's open, then manually enable
ICS on the original connection when you close the ISDN connection.

You might be able to find a third-party Internet sharing program that
can do what you want.

I'd buy an inexpensive home broadband router and eliminate the
problem. Another benefit of using the router would be that you could
turn off the former host computer without affecting the other
computers.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
 
T

Thomas Osthege

| In article <[email protected]>, " Thomas Osthege"
| >>>On my server ICS is activated for a DSL connection. Working
perfectly
| >>>most of time except:
| >>>
| >>>There is another ISDN connection in the DUN that gets opened to
access
| >>>the web for a minute or two occasionally. For this connection ICS
is not
| >>>activated. When this connection is active, the internet
connection(s) of
| >>>the other computer(s) in the LAN that use the ICS hang. As soon as
the
| >>>ISDN connection is closed, ICS works perfectly again.
| >>>
| >>>I have the idea (but I'm not sure) that this was different a while
ago.
| >>>Cannot remember any other changes.
| >>>
| >>>Does someone have an idea or is there a switch in the registry?
| >>
| >>I'd say that's normal behavior. When you open the ISDN connection,
it
| >>becomes the default gateway for Internet access, temporarily
| >>overriding the shared DSL connection. The other computers can only
| >>access the Internet through the shared DSL connection. When you
close
| >>the ISDN connection, the shared DSL connection becomes the default
| >>gateway again.
| >>
| >>If you have an external DSL modem, a solution would be to get a home
| >>broadband router and connect the DSL modem and all of the computers
to
| >>it. There would be no need for ICS, and connecting to ISDN on the
| >>former host computer would only affect Internet access on that one
| >>computer.
| >Thank you very much, Steve! I appreciate your answer very much.
| >
| >But I cannot imagine that is the way it should be. In my opinion this
| >would invalidate the meaning of ICS. Windows should be able to route
the
| >requests from the LAN to the correct connection, independent of what
the
| >default gateway is (especially if the connection is existing
already).
| >Using ICS - how I understand it - means that the default gateway for
the
| >server itself may change while for the connections using ICS it
should
| >stay. This is just my opinion. I know that this may differ to M$'s.
| >
| >Very often I read recommendations like yours to use some other ore
some
| >more hardware. I know that this could be a solution. But why buy
| >hardware if all functions could be done by software?
| >
| >Have a nice day!
| >
| >Thomas
|
| You're welcome Thomas. I've done a lot of work with ICS and, to the
| best of my knowledge, it isn't possible to have ICS clients
| automatically use the host's non-shared ISDN connection when that
| connection is open. ICS can only share one connection at a time.
|
| The only software solution I know of would be for you to manually
| enable ICS on the ISDN connection when it's open, then manually enable
| ICS on the original connection when you close the ISDN connection.
|
| You might be able to find a third-party Internet sharing program that
| can do what you want.
|
| I'd buy an inexpensive home broadband router and eliminate the
| problem. Another benefit of using the router would be that you could
| turn off the former host computer without affecting the other
| computers.
| --
| Best Wishes,
| Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
|
| Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
| for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
| addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
|
| Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
| http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Thanks again, Steve, but I still have the feeling, there is a
misunderstanding. let me try to comment.

| You're welcome Thomas. I've done a lot of work with ICS and, to the
| best of my knowledge, it isn't possible to have ICS clients
| automatically use the host's non-shared ISDN connection when that
| connection is open. ICS can only share one connection at a time.

I just don't want to use the non-shared ISDN connection from the client.
ICS should continue via the DSL connection which is not interrupted. The
ISDN connection should be used for some host's private activities.

| The only software solution I know of would be for you to manually
| enable ICS on the ISDN connection when it's open, then manually enable
| ICS on the original connection when you close the ISDN connection.

I agree, if I wanted to switch ICS to another connection.

| You might be able to find a third-party Internet sharing program that
| can do what you want.

A bit contraproductive ;-)

| I'd buy an inexpensive home broadband router and eliminate the
| problem. Another benefit of using the router would be that you could
| turn off the former host computer without affecting the other
| computers.

Would not help me either, because there are other situations when I want
to connect to another DSL provider from a client directly. This
currently works fine because the DSL modem is on the ethernet LAN and
therefore directly accessible from the clients, too. 2 ore more
connections from different computers are handled by the modem easily,
but there is no router that is able to do this (as far as I know).

Thanks

Thomas
 

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