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Black Jack
Really, how much do they expected to save by simply disabling the
64-bit functionality?
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14590
Yousuf Khan
64-bit functionality?
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14590
Yousuf Khan
Really, how much do they expected to save by simply disabling the
64-bit functionality?
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14590
Yousuf Khan
Black said:Really, how much do they expected to save by simply disabling the
64-bit functionality?
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14590
"AMD THINKS the customer is king, it has emerged, in a rare example of
X86 semiconductor firms giving people what they want, rather than what
they deserve or worse still, are allocated."
Is that even close to being a sentence?
/nitpick
There's a bad Hemingway contest. Maybe we could run a bad Register
contest?
Really, how much do they expected to save by simply disabling the
64-bit functionality?
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14590
Can't that be handled by BIOS? IOW if the BIOS does not allow the CPU to
be switched to starting up in 64-bit mode, the "customers" will never get
"confused". Seems to me HP is missing something here: if I were a customer
and couldn't turn on the 64-bitness later, when I want/need it, I'd be
pissed.
Can't that be handled by BIOS? IOW if the BIOS does not allow the CPU to
be switched to starting up in 64-bit mode, the "customers" will never get
"confused". Seems to me HP is missing something here: if I were a customer
and couldn't turn on the 64-bitness later, when I want/need it, I'd be
pissed.
I don't think HP was missing anything at all, except perhaps a little
candor. The confusion they didn't want customers experiencing was
that a 64-bit x86 desktop product was in any way desirable, or at
least not any sooner than they absolutely had to.
I don't want to spend the energy tracking down the ins and outs of
this one, but it seems clear that when Intel comes out with a 64-bit
x86 product, and a 64-bit version of Windows won't come out any
sooner, they won't be worried about customers being confused anymore.
Windows Server 2003 for Opteron is out in Beta, apparently. No
production release until Intel is ready with its corresponding Xeon
product? Maybe I'm missing something here, but it looks like HP just
playing along, who knows with what degree of coercion from Intel.
I really don't see any arm-twisting at all here, it's simple product
placement. HP wanted a low-cost option for to fill out this notebook
line. The Athlon64-M 3000+ and 3200+ were fine, but I think they
wanted a broader range. Rather than simply offering a third
Athlon64-M chip at a slightly lower speed, they differentiate the
cheapest option a bit more by making it only 32-bit capable.
No black helicopters circling over HP headquarters (the Canadian
military might be sending some choppers over there now after HP's
little fraud-scheme... but we can't afford black helicopters, only
dark-gray ones :> ), it's all just simple marketing and product
placement. You buy the cheap model, you lose some capabilities.
Robert said:Well, that's my reward for taking something from the register at face
value. AMD didn't have a value model, so HP invented one for them.
Wonder who took the hit (on price)?
Canada has a military? I thought the RCMP took care of everything.
We have about 60,000 *great* people in our military.
All we need now is a government that will give them decent
equipment, fix up the buildings on the bases, etc., ...
Well, that's my reward for taking something from the register at face
value. AMD didn't have a value model, so HP invented one for them.
Wonder who took the hit (on price)?
Canada has a military? I thought the RCMP took care of everything.
You want ours (government, that is)?
They both took a bit of a hit on price. AMD now lists their
AthlonXP-M 3000+ processor on their "Processor Pricing" page. It
lists for $168. For comparison, the Athlon64-M 2800+ lists for $193
and the Athlon64-M 3000+ lists for $233.
So in theory at least, AMD is giving HP a chip that is $65 cheaper and
HP is selling it for $75 less. Guess it's more AMD taking a price hit
than HP, but on the other hand, $168 is more expensive than all of the
other AthlonXP/MP chips except for the XP 3200+ ($213) and the MP
2800+ ($174), so it should still be bumping up their ASP a bit.
Of course Canada has a military, somebody's got to shovel Toronto's
snow! :>
Ironically our rather crappy, outdated helicopters have been the
subject of some debate over the past 15 years or so (they were
supposed to be replaced way back then, but budget cuts canned the deal
so we've still got 40+ year old 'copters).
Robert Myers said:Canada has a military?
Robert said:You want ours (government, that is)?
Robert Myers said:You want ours (government, that is)?
How much will you pay us to take them off of your hands?
Good thing the Register isn't running AMD. No arm-twisting, no roll
over, just smart business. Whether it was HP insisting that it needed
a processor to fill a value slot or to hit a particular price point,
somebody took a play right out of Intel's play book. "Really just
can't afford all that performance, huh? No problem." Snip. "There.
Now you have a less expensive processor."
Of course Canada has a military, somebody's got to shovel Toronto's
snow! :>
Ironically our rather crappy, outdated helicopters have been the
subject of some debate over the past 15 years or so (they were
supposed to be replaced way back then, but budget cuts canned the deal
so we've still got 40+ year old 'copters).
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/b52-strat/b52_50th/timeline.htm
"Oct. 26, 1962 Last B-52 (B-52H, tail number 61-040) is
delivered by the Wichita plant to the 4136th Strategic Wing at Minot
Air Force Base, N.D." [A little over ten years after the first
prototype had flown].
As the world probably knows all too well, B-52's still fly combat
sorties in shooting wars, although a high-altitude, long-range bomber
is quite a different proposition from a helicopter. I hope they do
good maintenance on them.
I, of course, meant no slight to Canada or its military. It would be
nice to think there was still a place where Sgt. Preston and his
trusty dog Yukon King really could manage, but there is, I am afraid,
no place left on earth like that.
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